output text between beamer frames in pandoc 2.7?

output text between beamer frames in pandoc 2.7?

[Andrew Goldstone]

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Hello--I am wondering if there is any way to get pandoc -t beamer to output 
text _between_ frames with pandoc 2.7. This used to be possible, but with 
the new way of treating content underneath headers above the slide level, 
it appears not to be.

Here's the background.  I want to generate slides and a script for myself 
from a single file; the script should include both slide material and 
paragraphs of text to read out.  (People in my line of work often read out 
talks rather than speaking from notes.) In beamer LaTeX, this is possible 
by putting the script text between frames; the slides are generated with 
`beamer` class option
`ignorenonframetext`, and the script is generated with the `article` class 
and
`\usepackage{beamerarticle}`. Before pandoc 2.7, it was possible to write 
markdown for this as follows:

    ## slide

    - slide stuff

    #

    Here is the script to read out.

    ## next slide

    - slide stuff

(I had two tweaked templates, one for the slides and one for the script, 
and I set the slide level to 2 explicitly with the call to pandoc.) The 
"Here is the script..." text would not appear in the slides but it would 
appear in article mode. This trick also made it possible to use beamer 
mode-switching with \mode<...> to make some material presentation-only or 
script-only.

pandoc 2.7 now creates a slide to put "Here is the script..." on. And it 
prevents some \mode<...> tricks since you can't get a mode switch in 
between frames.

Is there any workaround? (Presenter notes with `::: notes` or `\note{}` are 
not a good substitute in my view---they are good for a different purpose.)

Many thanks for any help anyone can give! Yours in document conversion,
Andrew






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Re: output text between beamer frames in pandoc 2.7?

[John MacFarlane]

I'm sorry the change broke this workflow (which I
hadn't really considered, unfortunately).  The
intent was to make slide show behavior uniform
between reveal.js and beamer.

Have you explored the \note command in beamer?

It allows you to add content to a "speaker note"
slide that will be created after the slide on
which it occurs.  This might give you what you
want in a slightly different way.


Andrew Goldstone <andrew.goldstone-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:

> Hello--I am wondering if there is any way to get pandoc -t beamer to output 
> text _between_ frames with pandoc 2.7. This used to be possible, but with 
> the new way of treating content underneath headers above the slide level, 
> it appears not to be.
>
> Here's the background.  I want to generate slides and a script for myself 
> from a single file; the script should include both slide material and 
> paragraphs of text to read out.  (People in my line of work often read out 
> talks rather than speaking from notes.) In beamer LaTeX, this is possible 
> by putting the script text between frames; the slides are generated with 
> `beamer` class option
> `ignorenonframetext`, and the script is generated with the `article` class 
> and
> `\usepackage{beamerarticle}`. Before pandoc 2.7, it was possible to write 
> markdown for this as follows:
>
>     ## slide
>
>     - slide stuff
>
>     #
>
>     Here is the script to read out.
>
>     ## next slide
>
>     - slide stuff
>
> (I had two tweaked templates, one for the slides and one for the script, 
> and I set the slide level to 2 explicitly with the call to pandoc.) The 
> "Here is the script..." text would not appear in the slides but it would 
> appear in article mode. This trick also made it possible to use beamer 
> mode-switching with \mode<...> to make some material presentation-only or 
> script-only.
>
> pandoc 2.7 now creates a slide to put "Here is the script..." on. And it 
> prevents some \mode<...> tricks since you can't get a mode switch in 
> between frames.
>
> Is there any workaround? (Presenter notes with `::: notes` or `\note{}` are 
> not a good substitute in my view---they are good for a different purpose.)
>
> Many thanks for any help anyone can give! Yours in document conversion,
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: output text between beamer frames in pandoc 2.7?

[Andrew Goldstone]

Thanks so much for the quick response, John (and thanks for pandoc,
a significant part of my life for quite a while now!). I recognize
that this is a bit of an edge case, and gobbling up text under
higher-than-slide-level headers was always an unusual behavior, even
though it suited my purposes. But I'm finding it hard to come up
with another way to get something from markdown to land between the
end of one beamer frame and the beginning of the next. It is hard to
imagine how a filter could do it, though I can't give a proof that it's
impossible offhand.

I use \note (or better, the newish `::: notes` since this allows notes
to be written in markdown instead of LaTeX) when I am making brief
notes for a lecture, but it doesn't work in conjunction with preparing
a written-out script using the beamerarticle package. (\note{...}s
are just dropped by that package). The problem with using \note for
paragraphs of script is that you can only fit so much on a "notes
slide" that gets printed/screened alongside the slide proper. I am
contemplating some kind of baroque solution by adding a bunch of
LaTeX preamble fiddling with beamer style templates and pgfpages---or
abandoning purity and just using sed to move the outputted \end{frame}
around.

All best,
Andrew


> On Apr 15, 2019, at 4:08 PM, John MacFarlane <jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm sorry the change broke this workflow (which I
> hadn't really considered, unfortunately).  The
> intent was to make slide show behavior uniform
> between reveal.js and beamer.
> 
> Have you explored the \note command in beamer?
> 
> It allows you to add content to a "speaker note"
> slide that will be created after the slide on
> which it occurs.  This might give you what you
> want in a slightly different way.
> 
> 
> Andrew Goldstone <andrew.goldstone-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:
> 
>> Hello--I am wondering if there is any way to get pandoc -t beamer to output 
>> text _between_ frames with pandoc 2.7. This used to be possible, but with 
>> the new way of treating content underneath headers above the slide level, 
>> it appears not to be.
>> 
>> Here's the background.  I want to generate slides and a script for myself 
>> from a single file; the script should include both slide material and 
>> paragraphs of text to read out.  (People in my line of work often read out 
>> talks rather than speaking from notes.) In beamer LaTeX, this is possible 
>> by putting the script text between frames; the slides are generated with 
>> `beamer` class option
>> `ignorenonframetext`, and the script is generated with the `article` class 
>> and
>> `\usepackage{beamerarticle}`. Before pandoc 2.7, it was possible to write 
>> markdown for this as follows:
>> 
>>    ## slide
>> 
>>    - slide stuff
>> 
>>    #
>> 
>>    Here is the script to read out.
>> 
>>    ## next slide
>> 
>>    - slide stuff
>> 
>> (I had two tweaked templates, one for the slides and one for the script, 
>> and I set the slide level to 2 explicitly with the call to pandoc.) The 
>> "Here is the script..." text would not appear in the slides but it would 
>> appear in article mode. This trick also made it possible to use beamer 
>> mode-switching with \mode<...> to make some material presentation-only or 
>> script-only.
>> 
>> pandoc 2.7 now creates a slide to put "Here is the script..." on. And it 
>> prevents some \mode<...> tricks since you can't get a mode switch in 
>> between frames.
>> 
>> Is there any workaround? (Presenter notes with `::: notes` or `\note{}` are 
>> not a good substitute in my view---they are good for a different purpose.)
>> 
>> Many thanks for any help anyone can give! Yours in document conversion,
>> Andrew
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: output text between beamer frames in pandoc 2.7?

[John MacFarlane]

I suppose we could consider adding a feature whereby
a heading with the class `noslide` would not create a
slide. Would that do it?

Andrew Goldstone <andrew.goldstone-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:

> Thanks so much for the quick response, John (and thanks for pandoc,
> a significant part of my life for quite a while now!). I recognize
> that this is a bit of an edge case, and gobbling up text under
> higher-than-slide-level headers was always an unusual behavior, even
> though it suited my purposes. But I'm finding it hard to come up
> with another way to get something from markdown to land between the
> end of one beamer frame and the beginning of the next. It is hard to
> imagine how a filter could do it, though I can't give a proof that it's
> impossible offhand.
>
> I use \note (or better, the newish `::: notes` since this allows notes
> to be written in markdown instead of LaTeX) when I am making brief
> notes for a lecture, but it doesn't work in conjunction with preparing
> a written-out script using the beamerarticle package. (\note{...}s
> are just dropped by that package). The problem with using \note for
> paragraphs of script is that you can only fit so much on a "notes
> slide" that gets printed/screened alongside the slide proper. I am
> contemplating some kind of baroque solution by adding a bunch of
> LaTeX preamble fiddling with beamer style templates and pgfpages---or
> abandoning purity and just using sed to move the outputted \end{frame}
> around.
>
> All best,
> Andrew
>
>
>> On Apr 15, 2019, at 4:08 PM, John MacFarlane <jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I'm sorry the change broke this workflow (which I
>> hadn't really considered, unfortunately).  The
>> intent was to make slide show behavior uniform
>> between reveal.js and beamer.
>> 
>> Have you explored the \note command in beamer?
>> 
>> It allows you to add content to a "speaker note"
>> slide that will be created after the slide on
>> which it occurs.  This might give you what you
>> want in a slightly different way.
>> 
>> 
>> Andrew Goldstone <andrew.goldstone-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:
>> 
>>> Hello--I am wondering if there is any way to get pandoc -t beamer to output 
>>> text _between_ frames with pandoc 2.7. This used to be possible, but with 
>>> the new way of treating content underneath headers above the slide level, 
>>> it appears not to be.
>>> 
>>> Here's the background.  I want to generate slides and a script for myself 
>>> from a single file; the script should include both slide material and 
>>> paragraphs of text to read out.  (People in my line of work often read out 
>>> talks rather than speaking from notes.) In beamer LaTeX, this is possible 
>>> by putting the script text between frames; the slides are generated with 
>>> `beamer` class option
>>> `ignorenonframetext`, and the script is generated with the `article` class 
>>> and
>>> `\usepackage{beamerarticle}`. Before pandoc 2.7, it was possible to write 
>>> markdown for this as follows:
>>> 
>>>    ## slide
>>> 
>>>    - slide stuff
>>> 
>>>    #
>>> 
>>>    Here is the script to read out.
>>> 
>>>    ## next slide
>>> 
>>>    - slide stuff
>>> 
>>> (I had two tweaked templates, one for the slides and one for the script, 
>>> and I set the slide level to 2 explicitly with the call to pandoc.) The 
>>> "Here is the script..." text would not appear in the slides but it would 
>>> appear in article mode. This trick also made it possible to use beamer 
>>> mode-switching with \mode<...> to make some material presentation-only or 
>>> script-only.
>>> 
>>> pandoc 2.7 now creates a slide to put "Here is the script..." on. And it 
>>> prevents some \mode<...> tricks since you can't get a mode switch in 
>>> between frames.
>>> 
>>> Is there any workaround? (Presenter notes with `::: notes` or `\note{}` are 
>>> not a good substitute in my view---they are good for a different purpose.)
>>> 
>>> Many thanks for any help anyone can give! Yours in document conversion,
>>> Andrew
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: output text between beamer frames in pandoc 2.7?

[Andrew Goldstone]

I think it would, yes---all this needs is a way to to avoid surrounding the outputted block in \begin{frame}...\end{frame}. The rest can be done with beamer options and variant templates. All best,
Andrew

On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 09:02:17AM -0700, John MacFarlane wrote:
> 
> I suppose we could consider adding a feature whereby
> a heading with the class `noslide` would not create a
> slide. Would that do it?
> 
> Andrew Goldstone <andrew.goldstone-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:
> 
> > Thanks so much for the quick response, John (and thanks for pandoc,
> > a significant part of my life for quite a while now!). I recognize
> > that this is a bit of an edge case, and gobbling up text under
> > higher-than-slide-level headers was always an unusual behavior, even
> > though it suited my purposes. But I'm finding it hard to come up
> > with another way to get something from markdown to land between the
> > end of one beamer frame and the beginning of the next. It is hard to
> > imagine how a filter could do it, though I can't give a proof that it's
> > impossible offhand.
> >
> > I use \note (or better, the newish `::: notes` since this allows notes
> > to be written in markdown instead of LaTeX) when I am making brief
> > notes for a lecture, but it doesn't work in conjunction with preparing
> > a written-out script using the beamerarticle package. (\note{...}s
> > are just dropped by that package). The problem with using \note for
> > paragraphs of script is that you can only fit so much on a "notes
> > slide" that gets printed/screened alongside the slide proper. I am
> > contemplating some kind of baroque solution by adding a bunch of
> > LaTeX preamble fiddling with beamer style templates and pgfpages---or
> > abandoning purity and just using sed to move the outputted \end{frame}
> > around.
> >
> > All best,
> > Andrew
> >
> >
> >> On Apr 15, 2019, at 4:08 PM, John MacFarlane <jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> I'm sorry the change broke this workflow (which I
> >> hadn't really considered, unfortunately).  The
> >> intent was to make slide show behavior uniform
> >> between reveal.js and beamer.
> >> 
> >> Have you explored the \note command in beamer?
> >> 
> >> It allows you to add content to a "speaker note"
> >> slide that will be created after the slide on
> >> which it occurs.  This might give you what you
> >> want in a slightly different way.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Andrew Goldstone <andrew.goldstone-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:
> >> 
> >>> Hello--I am wondering if there is any way to get pandoc -t beamer to output 
> >>> text _between_ frames with pandoc 2.7. This used to be possible, but with 
> >>> the new way of treating content underneath headers above the slide level, 
> >>> it appears not to be.
> >>> 
> >>> Here's the background.  I want to generate slides and a script for myself 
> >>> from a single file; the script should include both slide material and 
> >>> paragraphs of text to read out.  (People in my line of work often read out 
> >>> talks rather than speaking from notes.) In beamer LaTeX, this is possible 
> >>> by putting the script text between frames; the slides are generated with 
> >>> `beamer` class option
> >>> `ignorenonframetext`, and the script is generated with the `article` class 
> >>> and
> >>> `\usepackage{beamerarticle}`. Before pandoc 2.7, it was possible to write 
> >>> markdown for this as follows:
> >>> 
> >>>    ## slide
> >>> 
> >>>    - slide stuff
> >>> 
> >>>    #
> >>> 
> >>>    Here is the script to read out.
> >>> 
> >>>    ## next slide
> >>> 
> >>>    - slide stuff
> >>> 
> >>> (I had two tweaked templates, one for the slides and one for the script, 
> >>> and I set the slide level to 2 explicitly with the call to pandoc.) The 
> >>> "Here is the script..." text would not appear in the slides but it would 
> >>> appear in article mode. This trick also made it possible to use beamer 
> >>> mode-switching with \mode<...> to make some material presentation-only or 
> >>> script-only.
> >>> 
> >>> pandoc 2.7 now creates a slide to put "Here is the script..." on. And it 
> >>> prevents some \mode<...> tricks since you can't get a mode switch in 
> >>> between frames.
> >>> 
> >>> Is there any workaround? (Presenter notes with `::: notes` or `\note{}` are 
> >>> not a good substitute in my view---they are good for a different purpose.)
> >>> 
> >>> Many thanks for any help anyone can give! Yours in document conversion,
> >>> Andrew
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
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Re: output text between beamer frames in pandoc 2.7?

[Priv.-Doz. Dr. Maria Shinoto]

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Hi,

another "o yes please" from my side as well. I am using Pandoc the same way as Andrew Goldstone since years, and a "noslide" option would be a great improvement.

Thanks and, from my side as well, thanks for Pandoc,
Maria Shinoto

Am 17. Apr. 2019, 01:02 +0900 schrieb John MacFarlane <jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org>:

I suppose we could consider adding a feature whereby
a heading with the class `noslide` would not create a
slide. Would that do it?

Andrew Goldstone <andrew.goldstone-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:

Thanks so much for the quick response, John (and thanks for pandoc,
a significant part of my life for quite a while now!). I recognize
that this is a bit of an edge case, and gobbling up text under
higher-than-slide-level headers was always an unusual behavior, even
though it suited my purposes. But I'm finding it hard to come up
with another way to get something from markdown to land between the
end of one beamer frame and the beginning of the next. It is hard to
imagine how a filter could do it, though I can't give a proof that it's
impossible offhand.

I use \note (or better, the newish `::: notes` since this allows notes
to be written in markdown instead of LaTeX) when I am making brief
notes for a lecture, but it doesn't work in conjunction with preparing
a written-out script using the beamerarticle package. (\note{...}s
are just dropped by that package). The problem with using \note for
paragraphs of script is that you can only fit so much on a "notes
slide" that gets printed/screened alongside the slide proper. I am
contemplating some kind of baroque solution by adding a bunch of
LaTeX preamble fiddling with beamer style templates and pgfpages---or
abandoning purity and just using sed to move the outputted \end{frame}
around.

All best,
Andrew


On Apr 15, 2019, at 4:08 PM, John MacFarlane <jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> wrote:


I'm sorry the change broke this workflow (which I
hadn't really considered, unfortunately). The
intent was to make slide show behavior uniform
between reveal.js and beamer.

Have you explored the \note command in beamer?

It allows you to add content to a "speaker note"
slide that will be created after the slide on
which it occurs. This might give you what you
want in a slightly different way.


Andrew Goldstone <andrew.goldstone-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:

Hello--I am wondering if there is any way to get pandoc -t beamer to output
text _between_ frames with pandoc 2.7. This used to be possible, but with
the new way of treating content underneath headers above the slide level,
it appears not to be.

Here's the background. I want to generate slides and a script for myself
from a single file; the script should include both slide material and
paragraphs of text to read out. (People in my line of work often read out
talks rather than speaking from notes.) In beamer LaTeX, this is possible
by putting the script text between frames; the slides are generated with
`beamer` class option
`ignorenonframetext`, and the script is generated with the `article` class
and
`\usepackage{beamerarticle}`. Before pandoc 2.7, it was possible to write
markdown for this as follows:

## slide

- slide stuff

#

Here is the script to read out.

## next slide

- slide stuff

(I had two tweaked templates, one for the slides and one for the script,
and I set the slide level to 2 explicitly with the call to pandoc.) The
"Here is the script..." text would not appear in the slides but it would
appear in article mode. This trick also made it possible to use beamer
mode-switching with \mode<...> to make some material presentation-only or
script-only.

pandoc 2.7 now creates a slide to put "Here is the script..." on. And it
prevents some \mode<...> tricks since you can't get a mode switch in
between frames.

Is there any workaround? (Presenter notes with `::: notes` or `\note{}` are
not a good substitute in my view---they are good for a different purpose.)

Many thanks for any help anyone can give! Yours in document conversion,
Andrew






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Re: output text between beamer frames in pandoc 2.7?

[John MacFarlane]

Andrew Goldstone <andrew.goldstone-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:

>> I suppose we could consider adding a feature whereby
>> a heading with the class `noslide` would not create a
>> slide. Would that do it?
>> 
> I think it would, yes---all this needs is a way to to avoid surrounding the outputted block in \begin{frame}...\end{frame}. The rest can be done with beamer options and variant templates. All best,
> Andrew

Why don't you submit an enhancement request on our
GitHub issue tracker, so we don't lose track of this
suggestion.

Re: output text between beamer frames in pandoc 2.7?

[Andrew Goldstone]

Done---further discussion there as needed:

https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues/5453

Thanks--all best,
Andrew

On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 09:40:52PM -0700, John MacFarlane wrote:
> Andrew Goldstone <andrew.goldstone-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:
> 
> >> I suppose we could consider adding a feature whereby
> >> a heading with the class `noslide` would not create a
> >> slide. Would that do it?
> >> 
> > I think it would, yes---all this needs is a way to to avoid surrounding the outputted block in \begin{frame}...\end{frame}. The rest can be done with beamer options and variant templates. All best,
> > Andrew
> 
> Why don't you submit an enhancement request on our
> GitHub issue tracker, so we don't lose track of this
> suggestion.
>