From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.text.pandoc/26000 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Marc Chantreux Newsgroups: gmane.text.pandoc Subject: Re: Markdown Discord/Slack? Just a thought... 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[94.242.205.164]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v3si42495lji.6.2020.08.26.01.23.41 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 26 Aug 2020 01:23:41 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eiro-fbXiWI9j2LLYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org designates 94.242.205.164 as permitted sender) client-ip=94.242.205.164; Original-Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by aurora-borealis.phear.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9657C1090E for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 08:23:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at phear.org Original-Received: from aurora-borealis.phear.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.phear.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XUas1FoY6SVr for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 08:23:39 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: from prometheus.u-strasbg.fr (82-65-50-238.subs.proxad.net [82.65.50.238]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: khatar) by aurora-borealis.phear.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 443CC10903 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 08:23:39 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 aurora-borealis.phear.org 443CC10903 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: eiro-fbXiWI9j2LLYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@phear.org header.s=20180217 header.b=ALdAFjHk; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eiro-fbXiWI9j2LLYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org designates 94.242.205.164 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=eiro-fbXiWI9j2LLYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org Precedence: list Mailing-list: list pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org; contact pandoc-discuss+owners-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1007024079513 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.text.pandoc:26000 Archived-At: hello people, > I was questioning, why pandoc uses an old style mailing list which is unable > to format code samples (->markdown) etc what do you mean by "format"? i read this list with the text content. so my anwser here is "freedom" (and nowadays, i'll add digital sobriety for ecological reasons). * you send me the data (without all those extra useless html garbage) * i do whatever i want with it (not only reply and archive, modify, annoate, index the way *i* want and i can mix with other sources) it would be hard to get the same level of productivity with a web page. and i can work offline without even noticing: * i send mails then my mta will relay it ASAP * i archived, annotated, indexed some posts and i use it as documentation (as well as info and man pages when available) finally: using vim and mutt makes things very fast. for pandoc specifically: i use the vim ! operator all the time to test the code online and :'<,'>w ~/pandoc/samples/cool-one.md (file is created) when i see something interesting ... i have a bunch of scripts to make the things even faster. > Wouldn't it be much better also for new user, if it would support markdown > -> meaning something like slack or discord. new users can use whatever webmails they want so they are not lost? > I see lots of examples posted in this mailing list, which are hard to read > and understand mainly by the lack of formatting. again: i don't get it: i don't use webpages but hope they *at least* don't break the way the initial message is formated? what webmail are you using ? > Whats about discord or slack? or any other channel which can format markdown > ...? Maybe other users feel the same? well ... to me an active mailing list is a sine qua none to consider a project because i have no time to waste with 40 browser tabs to connect to all those RAM eaters to end up with a poor version of mutt. i learnt vim and mutt 20 years ago and i'm daily rewarded by the confort and the productivity i have since then (meanwhile, web people came thru lot of different tools to end up with poor textareas to express themselves. this is sad) so every abandoned or closed mailing-list (or nntp forum) is a tragedy to me. but maybe we should find a convention so your UA (whatever it is) "formats" things the way you expect? can you tell us about the way you read this forum? > Of course these solutions also have their disadvantages -> you need > channels/threads etc... mailing lists have threads too: every message that isn't a reply to another is a new thread. regards marc