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With the = new code you should be able to make this work without a filter. > On Mar 10, 2023, at 12:32 PM, 'Frederik Elwert' via pandoc-discuss wrote: >=20 > Thanks for the kind reply! >=20 > If I see it correctly, modern babel works fine with Chinese the same way = as other languages. I wrote a small lua filter that inserts raw `\foreignla= nguage`/`\begin{otherlanguage}` commands for chinese in the same way as pan= doc by default does for other languages, and it works just fine. So maybe t= he best solution would be to simply add chinese to Lang.hs? >=20 > Also, I modified the template a little bit to support a `babelfonts` meta= data structure. That allows to specify custom fonts for other scripts. Woul= d something like this be acceptable for the default template? >=20 > You can see my solution in this gist: https://gist.github.com/frederik-el= wert/fb1ab57bf88fa2c6dbd7253958b64014 >=20 > An example patch for the template is attached. >=20 > If someone sees any issues with this approach, I=E2=80=99m glad if they c= ould point them out. I don=E2=80=99t write Chinese myself, so I don=E2=80= =99t know if there are subtle issues that I=E2=80=99m not aware of. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > John MacFarlane schrieb am Freitag, 10. M=C3=A4rz 2023 um 19:17:56 UTC+1: > Obviously, it is important to support this kind of thing. Can someone els= e who uses pandoc with multiple scripts comment on how you handle this?=20 >=20 > One solution I see at=20 > https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/165197/russian-and-chinese-in-the= -same-document =20 > is=20 >=20 > \usepackage[encapsulated]{CJK}=20 >=20 > and then=20 >=20 > \begin{CJK}{UTF8}{gbsn}=20 > =E4=BD=A0=E5=A5=BD=20 > \end{CJK}=20 >=20 > Perhaps you could use a Lua filter to convert [=E4=BD=A0=E5=A5=BD]{lang= =3Dzh} to this form?=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > > On Mar 10, 2023, at 2:35 AM, 'Frederik Elwert' via pandoc-discuss > wrote:=20 > >=20 > > Hi!=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > We are typesetting a lot of academic texts which are mainly in English,= but contain words in other languages/scripts. At the moment, I need to pro= duce an article that contains individual words in traditional Chinese.=20 > >=20 > > With pandoc, I currently face two issues:=20 > >=20 > > First, chinese is not defined in Writers/LaTeX/Lang.hs. This means that= , in contrast to other scripts, I cannot use `[=E8=A8=80]{lang=3D"zh-Hant"}= `. For other languages that are defined, the LaTeX writer produces `\foreig= nlanguage{}{}` commands, but in this case it produces only `{=E8=A8=80}`. T= hus, the only possibility is to resort to `CJKmainfont`. The issue is that = this switches on xeCJK for the whole document, which has undesirable side e= ffects (mainly concerning spacing around punctuation characters). Thus, I h= ave to introduce manual `\makexeCJKactive`/`\makexeCJKinactive` commands in= my markdown source. For short passages of Chinese, it is actually desirabl= e not to use xeCJK, but simply babel, as with other scripts.=20 > >=20 > > Second, I do not see a way to define fonts for other scripts. The defau= lt LaTeX template calls `\babelprovide` for used fonts, but does not allow = to define corresponding `\babelfont`s. With the old polyglossia system, IIR= C, it was possible to use the `fontfamilies` metadata entry to define `\chi= nesefont` etc. for additional scripts. But this does no longer work with ba= bel (if I=E2=80=99m not missing something).=20 > >=20 > > So basically my question is twofold: First, how do I define additional = fonts for foreign scripts with the new babel system, and second, would it b= e possible to support chinese script in the LaTeX writer in the same way it= supports other scripts?=20 > > Thanks,=20 > > Frederik=20 > >=20 > > --=20 > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps "pandoc-discuss" group.=20 > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send = an email to pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org .=20 > > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/ms= gid/pandoc-discuss/cadd3e14-3167-447f-9f64-8158a6613cb6n%40googlegroups.com= .=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "pandoc-discuss" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an= email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org . > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgi= d/pandoc-discuss/a66a708e-6599-4cab-88a5-a89f592e8b8en%40googlegroups.com <= https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/a66a708e-6599-4cab-88a5-a8= 9f592e8b8en%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=3Demail&utm_source=3Dfooter>. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pandoc-discuss" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= pandoc-discuss/2163FD26-E90E-472A-A94E-D20247FC7A9C%40gmail.com. --Apple-Mail=_2D409A3F-5B3B-4217-AFD8-218B7A888B4E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" I=E2=80=99ve updated pando= c with both the changes you suggested.  chinese is now used with babel= , and the template now includes babelfonts.  With the new code you sho= uld be able to make this work without a filter.

On Mar 10, 202= 3, at 12:32 PM, 'Frederik Elwert' via pandoc-discuss <pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org= > wrote:

Thanks for the kind reply!
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If I see it cor= rectly, modern babel works fine with Chinese the same way as other language= s. I wrote a small lua filter that inserts raw `\foreignlanguage`/`\begin{o= therlanguage}` commands for chinese in the same way as pandoc by default do= es for other languages, and it works just fine. So maybe the best solution = would be to simply add chinese to Lang.hs?

A= lso, I modified the template a little bit to support a `babelfonts` metadat= a structure. That allows to specify custom fonts for other scripts. Would s= omething like this be acceptable for the default template?

You can see my solution in this gist: https://gist.github.com/f= rederik-elwert/fb1ab57bf88fa2c6dbd7253958b64014

An example patch for the template is attached.

If someone sees any issues with this approach, I=E2=80=99m glad = if they could point them out. I don=E2=80=99t write Chinese myself, so I do= n=E2=80=99t know if there are subtle issues that I=E2=80=99m not aware of.<= br class=3D"">

=




John MacFarlane schrieb am Freita= g, 10. M=C3=A4rz 2023 um 19:17:56 UTC+1:
Obviously, it is important to support this kind of thing. Ca= n someone else who uses pandoc with multiple scripts comment on how you han= dle this? 
=
One solution I see at&= nbsp;
https://tex.stackexchange.com/ques= tions/165197/russian-and-chinese-in-the-same-document 
is 

\usepackage[encapsu= lated]{CJK} 

and then 

\begin{CJK}{UTF8}{gbsn} 
=E4=BD=A0=E5=A5=BD 
\end{CJK} 

Perha= ps you could use a Lua filter to convert [=E4=BD=A0=E5=A5=BD]{lang=3Dzh} to= this form? 





> On Mar 10, 2023, at 2:35 AM, 'Frederik Elwert' via pandoc-discuss &l= t;pandoc-..= .@googlegroups.com> wrote:&nbs= p;
> 
> Hi! 
> > 
> We are typesetting a lot of academic texts which are mainly in= English, but contain words in other languages/scripts. At the moment, I ne= ed to produce an article that contains individual words in traditional Chin= ese. 
><= span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> 
> With = pandoc, I currently face two issues:&= nbsp;
> =
> First, chinese is not defined in Writers/LaTeX/L= ang.hs. This means that, in contrast to other scripts, I cannot use `[=E8= =A8=80]{lang=3D"zh-Hant"}`. For other languages that are defined, the LaTeX= writer produces `\foreignlanguage{}{}` commands, but in this case it produ= ces only `{=E8=A8=80}`. Thus, the only possibility is to resort to `CJKmain= font`. The issue is that this switches on xeCJK for the whole document, whi= ch has undesirable side effects (mainly concerning spacing around punctuati= on characters). Thus, I have to introduce manual `\makexeCJKactive`/`\makex= eCJKinactive` commands in my markdown source. For short passages of Chinese= , it is actually desirable not to use xeCJK, but simply babel, as with othe= r scripts. 
> 
>= Second, I do not see a way to define fonts for other scripts. The default = LaTeX template calls `\babelprovide` for used fonts, but does not allow to = define corresponding `\babelfont`s. With the old polyglossia system, IIRC, = it was possible to use the `fontfamilies` metadata entry to define `\chines= efont` etc. for additional scripts. But this does no longer work with babel= (if I=E2=80=99m not missing something). 
>&n= bsp;
> So basically my question is twofold: First, = how do I define additional fonts for foreign scripts with the new babel sys= tem, and second, would it be possible to support chinese script in the LaTe= X writer in the same way it supports other scripts? 
> Thanks, 
> Frederik 
> 
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