From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.text.pandoc/10998 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: hgv Newsgroups: gmane.text.pandoc Subject: Re: Footnote with citations and multiple paragraphs using pandoc-citeproc Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 14:43:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <246e0391-eb53-40d3-bb59-dc1c97d94ebb@googlegroups.com> References: <3FDE0D22-3F5C-4471-9451-CD0FA4E96531@gmail.com> <20140926210311.GB20437@berkeley.edu> Reply-To: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1152_1058557452.1411767783302" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1411767791 25764 80.91.229.3 (26 Sep 2014 21:43:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 21:43:11 +0000 (UTC) To: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org Original-X-From: pandoc-discuss+bncBDR5DU57YMGRBZ53S6QQKGQEMNMVEGY-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org Fri Sep 26 23:43:07 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: gtp-pandoc-discuss@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from mail-pa0-f63.google.com ([209.85.220.63]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XXdI9-0003tX-Oc for gtp-pandoc-discuss@m.gmane.org; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 23:43:06 +0200 Original-Received: by mail-pa0-f63.google.com with SMTP id ey11sf76108pad.28 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 14:43:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=UoAsZURZlaJtN2sOh4rg8Uj2YS5gZhU3zpytMe7OcY8=; b=crg8tdQqfn/Luo6oZT+iugYgyRFDHG1FlLLN6go+/CVrRomTe1kQ1kq9d0+K01WCU7 o+4Ko6w0Mpu+16f6eEBYf375KrIV4i7D9g/xgJ/5JjI92j1q/HzGIl8z+QMVjYOwiBzN IpnybiAT6kIOyAYgAkQgMfc8Esao+gWcRqLdM20UERVdgy/TSsEu4+0knbt0czNf4/aQ 1oKeYjjKtxoSjXtEdLhE8uAEjFULUYyLMPeUtKc9RTsfNoFOZ0dG7l3Fx1V0ozY5a7Aw mPuKUtQ981gskfHXVFSmsOib6PpUTzQQ0VSEwDP+NWU9uBdNuycQuQHZvcms9fKLQ80F 6vmw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=UoAsZURZlaJtN2sOh4rg8Uj2YS5gZhU3zpytMe7OcY8=; b=l/rUoiHb8cgy1BMKgs1uPPSY873fY35cpd5GC4KjBc3i5qMhKfBF3K153ItZcGGfBd VTH64kg5ylkFBzNw0G+7JGCEgJMgL7QbfSSY/sr85SZT2ENjkBu09V0fONirY6169Dws T3mLuqTRq3E7Tv1PaOb5LcPuTNKVBmWGxT8nvw6AkVnntX8CbfpIB66LiRtLe7v87v7j DSb3DYOrsL4ENLLiUcXS9q9XzWcAvhn7HV4e5YXxq9NWRgzxKQUJX8HnG/zWumWPLZZQ iklBi28C/3spaareCwhlmqa/4I/ubFcnNg14EDq3NAL4qtW4enNPiBvdeUB/sTjAwCGW 5E0Q== X-Received: by 10.140.30.36 with SMTP id c33mr205711qgc.2.1411767784433; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 14:43:04 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org Original-Received: by 10.140.36.244 with SMTP id p107ls1447152qgp.94.gmail; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 14:43:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.19.2 with SMTP id 2mr15684qgg.35.1411767783837; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 14:43:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140926210311.GB20437-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> X-Original-Sender: jbauchner-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org Precedence: list Mailing-list: list pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org; contact pandoc-discuss+owners-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1007024079513 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.text.pandoc:10998 Archived-At: ------=_Part_1152_1058557452.1411767783302 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK yes=E2=80=94it seems like this difficulty has been bugging people all su= mmer (my=20 struggles began=20 here: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/pandoc-discuss/D-fD7phDB4w).= =20 One intermediate step would be to clarify the Read Me, so people stop=20 trying to get pandoc-citeproc to work with citations in md footnotes.=20 A larger solution might be in giving up the ability of pandoc-citeproc to= =20 produce either inline citations or note citations. I understand how useful= =20 this is, but if it doesn't actually work for one side of it (notes), I=20 don't see the value. Of course, I only work with Chicago note-bibliography,= =20 which is where my bias comes from. But it seems to be designed primarily=20 for those who work with Chicago author-date (and other inline styles), not= =20 really those who use both extensively. But as I'm sure this would entail a= =20 fair amount of work to just get back to where it is now, I understand the= =20 downsides. Of course, I remain deeply grateful for pandoc overall, regardless of this= =20 issue. On a related note, perhaps there are other humanists and fellow travelers= =20 on this board who use note citation styles (primarily Chicago=20 note-bibliography, I'd assume) successfully with pandoc-citeproc=E2=80=94lo= ng=20 footnotes and all? Any tips or workarounds? On Friday, September 26, 2014 5:03:24 PM UTC-4, John MacFarlane wrote: > > There's also some relevant discussion at=20 > .=20 > It's an issue that comes up only for footnote styles: how=20 > to deal with citations that are already in footnotes?=20 > Perhaps pandoc-citeproc can be improved here, but it's=20 > not entirely clear what to do.=20 > > > +++ Andrew Dunning [Sep 26 14 16:09 ]:=20 > >I've run into the same problem, and it seems that it's not currently=20 > possible; indeed, one cannot even have multi-sentence citations using=20 > pandoc-citeproc. See .= =20 > >=20 > >On 26 Sep 2014, at 2:50 p.m., hgv >=20 > wrote:=20 > >=20 > >> Hi all,=20 > >>=20 > >> Is there any way to use pandoc-citeproc to process citations=20 > (specifically for chicago-fullnote-bibliography.csl for md to tex) and ha= ve=20 > multiparagraph footnotes with citations in them? My understanding is that= ,=20 > as pandoc-citeproc works to automatically make footnotes when called for = by=20 > the csl, all footnotes that have citations in them should be formatted on= ly=20 > with brackets, not in full md foonotes. But only an md footnote (not an= =20 > line one) can handle multiple paragraphs. Am I missing something? Stickin= g=20 > pandoc citations in md footnotes (with or without brackets) produces=20 > undesired results. Thanks!=20 > >>=20 > >> hgv=20 > >>=20 > >> --=20 > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google=20 > Groups "pandoc-discuss" group.=20 > >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send= =20 > an email to pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org .=20 > >> To post to this group, send email to pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org=20 > .=20 > >> To view this discussion on the web visit=20 > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/cf5b21a4-0495-47bc-872f-= 091626a4ef0a%40googlegroups.com.=20 > > >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.=20 > >=20 > >--=20 > >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s=20 > "pandoc-discuss" group.=20 > >To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send a= n=20 > email to pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org .=20 > >To post to this group, send email to pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org=20 > .=20 > >To view this discussion on the web visit=20 > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/3FDE0D22-3F5C-4471-9451-= CD0FA4E96531%40gmail.com.=20 > > >For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.=20 > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pandoc-discuss" group. 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OK yes=E2=80=94it seems like this difficulty has been bugg= ing people all summer (my struggles began here: https://groups.google.= com/forum/#!topic/pandoc-discuss/D-fD7phDB4w). One intermediate step would = be to clarify the Read Me, so people stop trying to get pandoc-citeproc to = work with citations in md footnotes. 

A larger solu= tion might be in giving up the ability of pandoc-citeproc to produce either= inline citations or note citations. I understand how useful this is, but i= f it doesn't actually work for one side of it (notes), I don't see the valu= e. Of course, I only work with Chicago note-bibliography, which is where my= bias comes from. But it seems to be designed primarily for those who work = with Chicago author-date (and other inline styles), not really those who us= e both extensively. But as I'm sure this would entail a fair amount of work= to just get back to where it is now, I understand the downsides.

Of course, I remain deeply grateful for pandoc overall, reg= ardless of this issue.

On a related note, perhaps = there are other humanists and fellow travelers on this board who use note c= itation styles (primarily Chicago note-bibliography, I'd assume) successful= ly with pandoc-citeproc=E2=80=94long footnotes and all? Any tips or workaro= unds?

On Friday, September 26, 2014 5:03:24 PM UTC-4, John MacF= arlane wrote:
There's also some= relevant discussion at
<https://github.com/jgm/pandoc-citep= roc/issues/82>.
It's an issue that comes up only for footnote styles:  how
to deal with citations that are already in footnotes?
Perhaps pandoc-citeproc can be improved here, but it's
not entirely clear what to do.


+++ Andrew Dunning [Sep 26 14 16:09 ]:
>I've run into the same problem, and it seems that it's not currentl= y possible; indeed, one cannot even have multi-sentence citations using pan= doc-citeproc. See <https://github.com/jgm/pandoc-citeproc/issues/69>.
>
>On 26 Sep 2014, at 2:50 p.m., hgv <jbau...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Is there any way to use pandoc-citeproc to process citations (= specifically for chicago-fullnote-bibliography.csl for md to tex) and = have multiparagraph footnotes with citations in them? My understanding is t= hat, as pandoc-citeproc works to automatically make footnotes when called f= or by the csl, all footnotes that have citations in them should be formatte= d only with brackets, not in full md foonotes. But only an md footnote (not= an line one) can handle multiple paragraphs. Am I missing something? Stick= ing pandoc citations in md footnotes (with or without brackets) produces un= desired results. Thanks!
>>
>> hgv
>>
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