* Capitalization of foreign titles
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When processing markdown with citations, in which the bibliographical
references contain foreign titles, the resulting bibliography is
capitalized in English title case. That is despite the fact that there is a
language field in the bibtex file. I have attached a short bibtex file.
When a markdown document is processed to Word, using the command:
pandoc -C --bibliography=references.bib --csl=chicago-author-date.csl -o
file.docx file.md
the resulting references look like this:
al-Kindı̄. 1997. Œuvres Philosophiques Et Scientifiques d’al-Kindı̄. Edited
by Roshdi Rashed. Vol. 1. Islamic Philosophy, Theology, and Science.
Leiden: Brill.
Bellosta, Hélèna. 2002. “Burning Instruments: From Diocles to Ibn Sahl.”
Arab. Sci. Philos. 12 (02): 285–303.
Rashed, Roshdi. 1993. Géométrie Et Dioptrique Au Xe Siècle: Ibn Sahl,
Al-qūhı̄ Et Ibn Al-Haytham. Paris: Les Belles Lettres.
———, ed. 2002. Les Catoptriciens Grecs: Les Miroirs Ardents. Paris: Les
Belles lettres.
As you see, the French titles have all been erroneously capitalized.
It doesn't seem to make any difference whether I specify a csl file or not.
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@BOOK{Al-Kindi1997-mi,
title = "{{\OE}uvres} philosophiques et scientifiques d'al-Kind{\=\i}",
author = "{al-Kind{\=\i}}",
editor = "Rashed, Roshdi",
publisher = "Brill",
volume = 1,
series = "Islamic philosophy, theology, and science",
year = 1997,
address = "Leiden",
keywords = "Optics--Early works to 1800;Islamic philosophy--Early works to
1800",
language = "fr"
}
@ARTICLE{Bellosta2002-dh,
title = "Burning Instruments: From Diocles to Ibn Sahl",
author = "Bellosta, H{\'e}l{\`e}na",
journal = "Arab. Sci. Philos.",
volume = 12,
number = 02,
pages = "285--303",
year = 2002
}
@BOOK{Rashed1993-sv,
title = "G{\'e}om{\'e}trie et dioptrique au Xe si{\`e}cle: Ibn Sahl,
al-Q{\=u}h{\=\i} et Ibn al-Haytham",
author = "Rashed, Roshdi",
publisher = "Les Belles Lettres",
year = 1993,
address = "Paris",
language = "fr"
}
@BOOK{Rashed2002-xw,
title = "Les catoptriciens grecs: les miroirs ardents",
editor = "Rashed, Roshdi",
publisher = "Les Belles lettres",
year = 2002,
address = "Paris",
language = "fr"
}
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* Re: Capitalization of foreign titles
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@ 2020-12-04 20:39 ` Joseph Reagle
2020-12-04 22:48 ` John MacFarlane
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From: Joseph Reagle @ 2020-12-04 20:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 12/4/20 2:40 PM, r.d.go...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote:
> As you see, the French titles have all been erroneously capitalized.
I've no experience with this, but this issue could arise in a number of places.
1. The bibliography file. However, your lang="fr" entries are sentence case as they should be. (BTW: It's probably a mistake to have @Bellosta2002-dh in title case should you use a style, such as APA, where even English titles are sentence case.)
2. The CSL file. I don't know how/if to specify language specific variants of casing in CSL, but...
3. The processor. Zotero apparently handles this correctly:
https://www.zotero.org/support/kb/preventing_title_casing_for_non-english_titles
So perhaps it's not a CSL thing at all, just a processor issue, in which case pandoc is not doing the right thing.
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* Re: Capitalization of foreign titles
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From: John MacFarlane @ 2020-12-04 22:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: r.d.go...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org, pandoc-discuss
It will work, I suspect, with langid instead of language.
That is the biblatex field name.
But note: biblatex docs say:
> langid field (identifier): The language id of the bibliography
> entry. The alias hyphenation is provided for backwards
> compatibility. The identifier must be a language name known to
> the babel/polyglossia packages.
fr is not a know polyglossia name.
So try this: instead of
language = {fr}
use
langid = {french}
There is a "language" field too, but it isn't designed to affect
formatting of the bibliography. It is for use when you want the
bibliography entry to indicate the lnaguage.
See
https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/323441/how-does-langid-field-in-biblatex-differ-from-language-field
for more info.
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I had my bibliography software (Paperpile) set to output foreign characters
to bibtex using LaTeX commands instead of UTF-8. I changed that to UTF-8 -
and pandoc is now working perfectly, keeping entries with "language={fr}"
in the case in the BibTeX file, rather than English title case. I have no
idea why that would make a difference, but it does.
On Friday, December 4, 2020 at 5:48:45 PM UTC-5 John MacFarlane wrote:
>
> It will work, I suspect, with langid instead of language.
> That is the biblatex field name.
>
> But note: biblatex docs say:
>
> > langid field (identifier): The language id of the bibliography
> > entry. The alias hyphenation is provided for backwards
> > compatibility. The identifier must be a language name known to
> > the babel/polyglossia packages.
>
> fr is not a know polyglossia name.
>
> So try this: instead of
>
> language = {fr}
>
> use
>
> langid = {french}
>
> There is a "language" field too, but it isn't designed to affect
> formatting of the bibliography. It is for use when you want the
> bibliography entry to indicate the lnaguage.
> See
>
> https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/323441/how-does-langid-field-in-biblatex-differ-from-language-field
> for more info.
>
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