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[185.185.177.8]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m126-20020a1c2684000000b003942a244f30sm1779579wmm.9.2022.05.31.01.29.03 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 31 May 2022 01:29:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <873d53586f8b4f968ac667b38da1796c-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.100.31) X-Original-Sender: liesegang-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=ZE5a3Tmj; spf=pass (google.com: domain of liesegang-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::42f as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=liesegang-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org; contact pandoc-discuss+owners-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1007024079513 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.text.pandoc:30640 Archived-At: --Apple-Mail=_7FC97D8C-03DB-4ADE-B511-DD03B692D0F8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Here they are in a gist.=20 https://gist.github.com/sjml/30b1f0093e48f37408871cc142d3dc12 My program deals a lot with ancient and theological sources and has very sp= ecific requirements for how certain citations look. I=E2=80=99m sure at lea= st *some* of this could be done by modifying a CSL (like using =E2=80=9C=C2= =A7=E2=80=9D instead of =E2=80=9Csec.=E2=80=9D in the locators), but others= are around specific works (like the Summa Theologica) or types of document= s (papal encyclicals), and as far as I can tell, CSL doesn=E2=80=99t have t= hat level of conditional processing. (I also speak Lua far better than I do= CSL. :) ) What really inspired this question was the institutional abbreviation filte= rs =E2=80=94 on a second citation of certain institutional sources, they sh= ould be referred to by their abbreviation. But until CSL 1.1, there=E2=80= =99s no support for short author names=E2=80=A6 so I track subsequent menti= ons, suppress the author, and add in the abbreviation after citeproc has do= ne its work. But when I=E2=80=99m trying to do that insertion into a citati= on with multiple sources, you see the kind of weirdness I do in that post-f= ilter . Would be great if I could just= look for a Span with an attribute that maps to a citation key or something= like that.=20 > On May 31, 2022, at 10:24 AM, wrote: >=20 > No, I=E2=80=99m not interested in anything in particular. Just general in= terest. > =20 > Von: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org Im= Auftrag von Shane Liesegang > Gesendet: Montag, 30. Mai 2022 15:43 > An: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org > Betreff: Re: Separating multiple citations in generated footnote > =20 > I haven't made the repository public yet, but would be happy to share a s= ubset -- is there anything in particular you're interested in, or just gene= ral interest in citation filtering? > =20 > On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 11:14 AM > wrote: > I don=E2=80=99t have a particular suggestion for what you need, but I mig= ht be interested in what you already do. could you perhaps share your filte= rs ? > =20 > Best, > Denis > =20 > Von: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org > Im Auftrag von Shane Liesegang > Gesendet: Montag, 30. Mai 2022 09:07 > An: pandoc-discuss > > Betreff: Separating multiple citations in generated footnote > =20 > My institution has a few specific citation style requirements that stray = from the standard Chicago Style. The changes are mostly around specific wor= ks, so it's difficult-to-impossible to meet the requirements by making a ne= w CSL.=20 >=20 > For the most part I'm able to handle it with Lua filters. I intercept the= citation reference both before and after --citeproc runs and make whatever= changes I need to; this might entail changing the style to SuppressAuthor,= making some capitalization/punctuation changes, etc. In general this works= well, but where it gets difficult is if a single Cite element contains mul= tiple citations. In that case, looking at the generated footnote, there's n= o hard indicator of which portion came from which citation. I've got someth= ing working based on scanning for semicolons, but I worry that's a little b= it fragile and will probably break on certain sets of reference data.=20 >=20 > Is there any good way of mapping portions of the footnote to citation key= s? I was thinking to wrap them in a span with some custom metadata, but I c= an only see the citations either before --citeproc (when the footnote doesn= 't exist yet) or after (when the multiple citations have already combined).= What would be truly ideal would be the ability to filter the citation proc= ess itself, but I'm assuming since that's from a different library that it = is not exposed to Lua? >=20 > Like I said, I have something mostly working now, but any thoughts/advice= would be appreciated. > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "pandoc-discuss" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an= email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org . > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgi= d/pandoc-discuss/baf8fe27-c662-4825-981d-b49fb7b38d71n%40googlegroups.com <= https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/baf8fe27-c662-4825-981d-b4= 9fb7b38d71n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=3Demail&utm_source=3Dfooter>. > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Go= ogle Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/p= andoc-discuss/uIe_wOxcGUs/unsubscribe . > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to pando= c-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org . > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgi= d/pandoc-discuss/8ed092b504f248fa984c4284113f68ff%40unibe.ch . > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "pandoc-discuss" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an= email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org . > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgi= d/pandoc-discuss/CAD7-qeusumC9zcpbCGbjevJ6J9Vdi4W8YJyTjiTmbR_yk5%2Bmrg%40ma= il.gmail.com . >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Go= ogle Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/p= andoc-discuss/uIe_wOxcGUs/unsubscribe . > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to pando= c-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org . > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgi= d/pandoc-discuss/873d53586f8b4f968ac667b38da1796c%40unibe.ch . --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pandoc-discuss" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= pandoc-discuss/25193173-1E8E-4A2B-81C2-9AB3BBE6DC12%40gmail.com. --Apple-Mail=_7FC97D8C-03DB-4ADE-B511-DD03B692D0F8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Here they are in a gist.&n= bsp;

= https://gist.github.com/sjml/30b1f0093e48f37408871c= c142d3dc12

My progra= m deals a lot with ancient and theological sources and has very specific re= quirements for how certain citations look. I=E2=80=99m sure at least *some*= of this could be done by modifying a CSL (like using =E2=80=9C=C2=A7=E2=80= =9D instead of =E2=80=9Csec.=E2=80=9D in the locators), but others are arou= nd specific works (like the Summa Theologica) or types of= documents (papal encyclicals), and as far as I can tell, CSL doesn=E2=80= =99t have that level of conditional processing. (I also speak Lua far bette= r than I do CSL. :) )

What really inspired this question was the institutional abbreviation= filters =E2=80=94 on a second citation of certain institutional sources, t= hey should be referred to by their abbreviation. But until CSL 1.1, there= =E2=80=99s no support for short author names=E2=80=A6 so I track subsequent= mentions, suppress the author, and add in the abbreviation after citeproc = has done its work. But when I=E2=80=99m trying to do that insertion into a = citation with multiple sources, you see the kind of weirdness I do in = that post-filter= . Would be great if I could just look for a Span with an attribute that= maps to a citation key or something like that. 
=


On May 31, 2022, at 10:24= AM, <denis.maier@uni= be.ch> <denis.= maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org> wrote:

=
No, I=E2=80=99m not interested in anything in particular. Just general in= terest.
<= o:p class=3D""> 
Von: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc-discuss@googl= egroups.com> Im Auftrag von <= /b>Shane Liesegang
Gesendet: Montag, 30. Mai 2022 15:43
An: <= a href=3D"mailto:pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org" class=3D"">pandoc-discuss= @googlegroups.com
Betreff: Re: Separating multiple citations i= n generated footnote
 
I h= aven't made the repository public yet, but would be happy to share a subset= -- is there anything in particular you're interested in, or just general i= nterest in citation filtering?
 
On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 11:14 AM <denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org> wrote:
<= div style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif= ;" class=3D"">I don=E2=80=99t have a partic= ular suggestion for what you need, but I might be interested in what you al= ready do. could you perhaps share your filters ?
 
Be= st,
Denis
 
Vo= n: p= andoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org&nb= sp;<pando= c-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>&nb= sp;Im Auftrag von Shane Liesegang
Gesendet:=  Montag, 30. Mai 2022 09:= 07
An: pandoc-discuss <pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
Betreff: Separ= ating multiple citations in generated footnote=
 
My institution has a few specific citation style requirements that s= tray from the standard Chicago Style. The changes are mostly around specifi= c works, so it's difficult-to-impossible to meet the requirements by making= a new CSL. 

For the most part I'm able to handle it with Lua filters. = I intercept the citation reference both before and after --citeproc runs an= d make whatever changes I need to; this might entail changing the style to = SuppressAuthor, making some capitalization/punctuation changes, etc. In gen= eral this works well, but where it gets difficult is if a single Cite eleme= nt contains multiple citations. In that case, looking at the generated foot= note, there's no hard indicator of which portion came from which citation. = I've got something working based on scanning for semicolons, but I worry th= at's a little bit fragile and will probably break on certain sets of refere= nce data. 
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Is there any good way of mapping portions of the footnote to= citation keys? I was thinking to wrap them in a span with some custom meta= data, but I can only see the citations either before --citeproc (when the f= ootnote doesn't exist yet) or after (when the multiple citations have alrea= dy combined). What would be truly ideal would be the ability to filter the = citation process itself, but I'm assuming since that's from a different lib= rary that it is not exposed to Lua?

Like I sai= d, I have something mostly working now, but any thoughts/advice would be ap= preciated.
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