Separating multiple citations in generated footnote

Separating multiple citations in generated footnote

[Shane Liesegang]

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My institution has a few specific citation style requirements that stray 
from the standard Chicago Style. The changes are mostly around specific 
works, so it's difficult-to-impossible to meet the requirements by making a 
new CSL. 

For the most part I'm able to handle it with Lua filters. I intercept the 
citation reference both before and after --citeproc runs and make whatever 
changes I need to; this might entail changing the style to SuppressAuthor, 
making some capitalization/punctuation changes, etc. In general this works 
well, but where it gets difficult is if a single Cite element contains 
multiple citations. In that case, looking at the generated footnote, 
there's no hard indicator of which portion came from which citation. I've 
got something working based on scanning for semicolons, but I worry that's 
a little bit fragile and will probably break on certain sets of reference 
data. 

Is there any good way of mapping portions of the footnote to citation keys? 
I was thinking to wrap them in a span with some custom metadata, but I can 
only see the citations either before --citeproc (when the footnote doesn't 
exist yet) or after (when the multiple citations have already combined). 
What would be truly ideal would be the ability to filter the citation 
process itself, but I'm assuming since that's from a different library that 
it is not exposed to Lua?

Like I said, I have something mostly working now, but any thoughts/advice 
would be appreciated. 

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AW: Separating multiple citations in generated footnote

[denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0]

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I don’t have a particular suggestion for what you need, but I might be interested in what you already do. could you perhaps share your filters ?

Best,
Denis

Von: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> Im Auftrag von Shane Liesegang
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An: pandoc-discuss <pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
Betreff: Separating multiple citations in generated footnote

My institution has a few specific citation style requirements that stray from the standard Chicago Style. The changes are mostly around specific works, so it's difficult-to-impossible to meet the requirements by making a new CSL.

For the most part I'm able to handle it with Lua filters. I intercept the citation reference both before and after --citeproc runs and make whatever changes I need to; this might entail changing the style to SuppressAuthor, making some capitalization/punctuation changes, etc. In general this works well, but where it gets difficult is if a single Cite element contains multiple citations. In that case, looking at the generated footnote, there's no hard indicator of which portion came from which citation. I've got something working based on scanning for semicolons, but I worry that's a little bit fragile and will probably break on certain sets of reference data.

Is there any good way of mapping portions of the footnote to citation keys? I was thinking to wrap them in a span with some custom metadata, but I can only see the citations either before --citeproc (when the footnote doesn't exist yet) or after (when the multiple citations have already combined). What would be truly ideal would be the ability to filter the citation process itself, but I'm assuming since that's from a different library that it is not exposed to Lua?

Like I said, I have something mostly working now, but any thoughts/advice would be appreciated.
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Re: Separating multiple citations in generated footnote

[Shane Liesegang]

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I haven't made the repository public yet, but would be happy to share a
subset -- is there anything in particular you're interested in, or just
general interest in citation filtering?

On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 11:14 AM <denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> I don’t have a particular suggestion for what you need, but I might be
> interested in what you already do. could you perhaps share your filters ?
>
>
>
> Best,
> Denis
>
>
>
> *Von:* pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> *Im
> Auftrag von *Shane Liesegang
> *Gesendet:* Montag, 30. Mai 2022 09:07
> *An:* pandoc-discuss <pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
> *Betreff:* Separating multiple citations in generated footnote
>
>
>
> My institution has a few specific citation style requirements that stray
> from the standard Chicago Style. The changes are mostly around specific
> works, so it's difficult-to-impossible to meet the requirements by making a
> new CSL.
>
> For the most part I'm able to handle it with Lua filters. I intercept the
> citation reference both before and after --citeproc runs and make whatever
> changes I need to; this might entail changing the style to SuppressAuthor,
> making some capitalization/punctuation changes, etc. In general this works
> well, but where it gets difficult is if a single Cite element contains
> multiple citations. In that case, looking at the generated footnote,
> there's no hard indicator of which portion came from which citation. I've
> got something working based on scanning for semicolons, but I worry that's
> a little bit fragile and will probably break on certain sets of reference
> data.
>
> Is there any good way of mapping portions of the footnote to citation
> keys? I was thinking to wrap them in a span with some custom metadata, but
> I can only see the citations either before --citeproc (when the footnote
> doesn't exist yet) or after (when the multiple citations have already
> combined). What would be truly ideal would be the ability to filter the
> citation process itself, but I'm assuming since that's from a different
> library that it is not exposed to Lua?
>
> Like I said, I have something mostly working now, but any thoughts/advice
> would be appreciated.
>
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[denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0]

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No, I’m not interested in anything in particular. Just general interest.

Von: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> Im Auftrag von Shane Liesegang
Gesendet: Montag, 30. Mai 2022 15:43
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Betreff: Re: Separating multiple citations in generated footnote

I haven't made the repository public yet, but would be happy to share a subset -- is there anything in particular you're interested in, or just general interest in citation filtering?

On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 11:14 AM <denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org<mailto:denis.maier@unibe.ch>> wrote:
I don’t have a particular suggestion for what you need, but I might be interested in what you already do. could you perhaps share your filters ?

Best,
Denis

Von: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org<mailto:pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> <pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org<mailto:pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>> Im Auftrag von Shane Liesegang
Gesendet: Montag, 30. Mai 2022 09:07
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Betreff: Separating multiple citations in generated footnote

My institution has a few specific citation style requirements that stray from the standard Chicago Style. The changes are mostly around specific works, so it's difficult-to-impossible to meet the requirements by making a new CSL.

For the most part I'm able to handle it with Lua filters. I intercept the citation reference both before and after --citeproc runs and make whatever changes I need to; this might entail changing the style to SuppressAuthor, making some capitalization/punctuation changes, etc. In general this works well, but where it gets difficult is if a single Cite element contains multiple citations. In that case, looking at the generated footnote, there's no hard indicator of which portion came from which citation. I've got something working based on scanning for semicolons, but I worry that's a little bit fragile and will probably break on certain sets of reference data.

Is there any good way of mapping portions of the footnote to citation keys? I was thinking to wrap them in a span with some custom metadata, but I can only see the citations either before --citeproc (when the footnote doesn't exist yet) or after (when the multiple citations have already combined). What would be truly ideal would be the ability to filter the citation process itself, but I'm assuming since that's from a different library that it is not exposed to Lua?

Like I said, I have something mostly working now, but any thoughts/advice would be appreciated.
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Re: Separating multiple citations in generated footnote

[Shane Liesegang]

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Here they are in a gist. 

https://gist.github.com/sjml/30b1f0093e48f37408871cc142d3dc12 <https://gist.github.com/sjml/30b1f0093e48f37408871cc142d3dc12>

My program deals a lot with ancient and theological sources and has very specific requirements for how certain citations look. I’m sure at least *some* of this could be done by modifying a CSL (like using “§” instead of “sec.” in the locators), but others are around specific works (like the Summa Theologica) or types of documents (papal encyclicals), and as far as I can tell, CSL doesn’t have that level of conditional processing. (I also speak Lua far better than I do CSL. :) )

What really inspired this question was the institutional abbreviation filters — on a second citation of certain institutional sources, they should be referred to by their abbreviation. But until CSL 1.1, there’s no support for short author names… so I track subsequent mentions, suppress the author, and add in the abbreviation after citeproc has done its work. But when I’m trying to do that insertion into a citation with multiple sources, you see the kind of weirdness I do in that post-filter <https://gist.github.com/sjml/30b1f0093e48f37408871cc142d3dc12#file-post-filter-institutional-abbreviations-lua>. Would be great if I could just look for a Span with an attribute that maps to a citation key or something like that. 



> On May 31, 2022, at 10:24 AM, <denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org> <denis.maier@unibe.ch> wrote:
> 
> No, I’m not interested in anything in particular. Just general interest.
>  
> Von: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> Im Auftrag von Shane Liesegang
> Gesendet: Montag, 30. Mai 2022 15:43
> An: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
> Betreff: Re: Separating multiple citations in generated footnote
>  
> I haven't made the repository public yet, but would be happy to share a subset -- is there anything in particular you're interested in, or just general interest in citation filtering?
>  
> On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 11:14 AM <denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org <mailto:denis.maier@unibe.ch>> wrote:
> I don’t have a particular suggestion for what you need, but I might be interested in what you already do. could you perhaps share your filters ?
>  
> Best,
> Denis
>  
> Von: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <mailto:pandoc-discuss@googlegroups.com> <pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <mailto:pandoc-discuss@googlegroups.com>> Im Auftrag von Shane Liesegang
> Gesendet: Montag, 30. Mai 2022 09:07
> An: pandoc-discuss <pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <mailto:pandoc-discuss@googlegroups.com>>
> Betreff: Separating multiple citations in generated footnote
>  
> My institution has a few specific citation style requirements that stray from the standard Chicago Style. The changes are mostly around specific works, so it's difficult-to-impossible to meet the requirements by making a new CSL. 
> 
> For the most part I'm able to handle it with Lua filters. I intercept the citation reference both before and after --citeproc runs and make whatever changes I need to; this might entail changing the style to SuppressAuthor, making some capitalization/punctuation changes, etc. In general this works well, but where it gets difficult is if a single Cite element contains multiple citations. In that case, looking at the generated footnote, there's no hard indicator of which portion came from which citation. I've got something working based on scanning for semicolons, but I worry that's a little bit fragile and will probably break on certain sets of reference data. 
> 
> Is there any good way of mapping portions of the footnote to citation keys? I was thinking to wrap them in a span with some custom metadata, but I can only see the citations either before --citeproc (when the footnote doesn't exist yet) or after (when the multiple citations have already combined). What would be truly ideal would be the ability to filter the citation process itself, but I'm assuming since that's from a different library that it is not exposed to Lua?
> 
> Like I said, I have something mostly working now, but any thoughts/advice would be appreciated.
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Re: Separating multiple citations in generated footnote

[Bastien DUMONT]

I have met the problem of adapting CSL to specific requirements too... Although I study History, it seems that we are facing common drawbacks. I defined a set of conventions for the recording of bibliographical entries in Zotero and wrote a sample style. You can find the style and the documentation here: https://zenodo.org/communities/csl-clio/search?page=1&size=20

I don't think that you will want to take it as is, but I hope it could be inspiring. It is in French, but you can retrieve the source of the manual and translate it automatically if you don't read this language.

Le Tuesday 31 May 2022 à 11:29:02AM, Shane Liesegang a écrit :
> Here they are in a gist. 
> 
> [1]https://gist.github.com/sjml/30b1f0093e48f37408871cc142d3dc12
> 
> My program deals a lot with ancient and theological sources and has very
> specific requirements for how certain citations look. I’m sure at least *some*
> of this could be done by modifying a CSL (like using “§” instead of “sec.” in
> the locators), but others are around specific works (like the Summa Theologica)
> or types of documents (papal encyclicals), and as far as I can tell, CSL
> doesn’t have that level of conditional processing. (I also speak Lua far better
> than I do CSL. :) )
> 
> What really inspired this question was the institutional abbreviation filters —
> on a second citation of certain institutional sources, they should be referred
> to by their abbreviation. But until CSL 1.1, there’s no support for short
> author names… so I track subsequent mentions, suppress the author, and add in
> the abbreviation after citeproc has done its work. But when I’m trying to do
> that insertion into a citation with multiple sources, you see the kind of
> weirdness I do in [2]that post-filter. Would be great if I could just look for
> a Span with an attribute that maps to a citation key or something like that. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     On May 31, 2022, at 10:24 AM, <[3]denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org> <[4]
>     denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> 
>     No, I’m not interested in anything in particular. Just general interest.
>      
>     Von: [5]pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <[6]pandoc-discuss@googlegroups.com
>     > Im Auftrag von Shane Liesegang
>     Gesendet: Montag, 30. Mai 2022 15:43
>     An: [7]pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
>     Betreff: Re: Separating multiple citations in generated footnote
>      
>     I haven't made the repository public yet, but would be happy to share a
>     subset -- is there anything in particular you're interested in, or just
>     general interest in citation filtering?
>      
>     On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 11:14 AM <[8]denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> 
>         I don’t have a particular suggestion for what you need, but I might be
>         interested in what you already do. could you perhaps share your
>         filters ?
>          
>         Best,
>         Denis
>          
>         Von: [9]pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <[10]
>         pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> Im Auftrag von Shane Liesegang
>         Gesendet: Montag, 30. Mai 2022 09:07
>         An: pandoc-discuss <[11]pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
>         Betreff: Separating multiple citations in generated footnote
>          
>         My institution has a few specific citation style requirements that
>         stray from the standard Chicago Style. The changes are mostly around
>         specific works, so it's difficult-to-impossible to meet the
>         requirements by making a new CSL. 
> 
>         For the most part I'm able to handle it with Lua filters. I intercept
>         the citation reference both before and after --citeproc runs and make
>         whatever changes I need to; this might entail changing the style to
>         SuppressAuthor, making some capitalization/punctuation changes, etc. In
>         general this works well, but where it gets difficult is if a single
>         Cite element contains multiple citations. In that case, looking at the
>         generated footnote, there's no hard indicator of which portion came
>         from which citation. I've got something working based on scanning for
>         semicolons, but I worry that's a little bit fragile and will probably
>         break on certain sets of reference data. 
> 
>         Is there any good way of mapping portions of the footnote to citation
>         keys? I was thinking to wrap them in a span with some custom metadata,
>         but I can only see the citations either before --citeproc (when the
>         footnote doesn't exist yet) or after (when the multiple citations have
>         already combined). What would be truly ideal would be the ability to
>         filter the citation process itself, but I'm assuming since that's from
>         a different library that it is not exposed to Lua?
> 
>         Like I said, I have something mostly working now, but any thoughts/
>         advice would be appreciated.
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Re: Separating multiple citations in generated footnote

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Den tis 31 maj 2022 11:02Bastien DUMONT <bastien.dumont-VwIFZPTo/vqsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> skrev:

> I have met the problem of adapting CSL to specific requirements too...
> Although I study History, it seems that we are facing common drawbacks. I
> defined a set of conventions for the recording of bibliographical entries
> in Zotero and wrote a sample style. You can find the style and the
> documentation here:
> https://zenodo.org/communities/csl-clio/search?page=1&size=20
>
> I don't think that you will want to take it as is, but I hope it could be
> inspiring. It is in French, but you can retrieve the source of the manual
> and translate it automatically if you don't read this language.
>

In the android Chrome app (and I suppose other Chrome versions too) there
is a "Translate page" (or something similar, I have the Swedish version!
:-) item in the ⋮ menu which will translate a page and all linked pages on
the fly. It's Google Translate of course so results may be funny at times
but translation where one of the languages is English usually are passable
for on-the-fly reading — not that it will put me out of translation jobs
anytime soon!



> Le Tuesday 31 May 2022 à 11:29:02AM, Shane Liesegang a écrit :
> > Here they are in a gist.
> >
> > [1]https://gist.github.com/sjml/30b1f0093e48f37408871cc142d3dc12
> >
> > My program deals a lot with ancient and theological sources and has very
> > specific requirements for how certain citations look. I’m sure at least
> *some*
> > of this could be done by modifying a CSL (like using “§” instead of
> “sec.” in
> > the locators), but others are around specific works (like the Summa
> Theologica)
> > or types of documents (papal encyclicals), and as far as I can tell, CSL
> > doesn’t have that level of conditional processing. (I also speak Lua far
> better
> > than I do CSL. :) )
> >
> > What really inspired this question was the institutional abbreviation
> filters —
> > on a second citation of certain institutional sources, they should be
> referred
> > to by their abbreviation. But until CSL 1.1, there’s no support for short
> > author names… so I track subsequent mentions, suppress the author, and
> add in
> > the abbreviation after citeproc has done its work. But when I’m trying
> to do
> > that insertion into a citation with multiple sources, you see the kind of
> > weirdness I do in [2]that post-filter. Would be great if I could just
> look for
> > a Span with an attribute that maps to a citation key or something like
> that.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >     On May 31, 2022, at 10:24 AM, <[3]denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org> <[4]
> >     denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> >
> >     No, I’m not interested in anything in particular. Just general
> interest.
> >
> >     Von: [5]pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <[6]
> pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
> >     > Im Auftrag von Shane Liesegang
> >     Gesendet: Montag, 30. Mai 2022 15:43
> >     An: [7]pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
> >     Betreff: Re: Separating multiple citations in generated footnote
> >
> >     I haven't made the repository public yet, but would be happy to
> share a
> >     subset -- is there anything in particular you're interested in, or
> just
> >     general interest in citation filtering?
> >
> >     On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 11:14 AM <[8]denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> >
> >         I don’t have a particular suggestion for what you need, but I
> might be
> >         interested in what you already do. could you perhaps share your
> >         filters ?
> >
> >         Best,
> >         Denis
> >
> >         Von: [9]pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <[10]
> >         pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> Im Auftrag von Shane Liesegang
> >         Gesendet: Montag, 30. Mai 2022 09:07
> >         An: pandoc-discuss <[11]pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
> >         Betreff: Separating multiple citations in generated footnote
> >
> >         My institution has a few specific citation style requirements
> that
> >         stray from the standard Chicago Style. The changes are mostly
> around
> >         specific works, so it's difficult-to-impossible to meet the
> >         requirements by making a new CSL.
> >
> >         For the most part I'm able to handle it with Lua filters. I
> intercept
> >         the citation reference both before and after --citeproc runs and
> make
> >         whatever changes I need to; this might entail changing the style
> to
> >         SuppressAuthor, making some capitalization/punctuation changes,
> etc. In
> >         general this works well, but where it gets difficult is if a
> single
> >         Cite element contains multiple citations. In that case, looking
> at the
> >         generated footnote, there's no hard indicator of which portion
> came
> >         from which citation. I've got something working based on
> scanning for
> >         semicolons, but I worry that's a little bit fragile and will
> probably
> >         break on certain sets of reference data.
> >
> >         Is there any good way of mapping portions of the footnote to
> citation
> >         keys? I was thinking to wrap them in a span with some custom
> metadata,
> >         but I can only see the citations either before --citeproc (when
> the
> >         footnote doesn't exist yet) or after (when the multiple
> citations have
> >         already combined). What would be truly ideal would be the
> ability to
> >         filter the citation process itself, but I'm assuming since
> that's from
> >         a different library that it is not exposed to Lua?
> >
> >         Like I said, I have something mostly working now, but any
> thoughts/
> >         advice would be appreciated.
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Re: Separating multiple citations in generated footnote

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Ah I see now that they are PDFs, however if you import them into Google
Docs there is a Translate menu item there too somewhere, same caveats
applying, plus that layout formatting may become funny when you import PDF
into Google Docs.

Tip: Not only can you import PDFs into GDocs; you can re-export to docx and
process with pandoc, but it's best to unwrap any multicolumn parts in GDocs
first!

/bpj

Den tis 31 maj 2022 13:34BPJ <bpj-J3H7GcXPSITLoDKTGw+V6w@public.gmane.org> skrev:

>
>
> Den tis 31 maj 2022 11:02Bastien DUMONT <bastien.dumont-VwIFZPTo/vqsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> skrev:
>
>> I have met the problem of adapting CSL to specific requirements too...
>> Although I study History, it seems that we are facing common drawbacks. I
>> defined a set of conventions for the recording of bibliographical entries
>> in Zotero and wrote a sample style. You can find the style and the
>> documentation here:
>> https://zenodo.org/communities/csl-clio/search?page=1&size=20
>>
>> I don't think that you will want to take it as is, but I hope it could be
>> inspiring. It is in French, but you can retrieve the source of the manual
>> and translate it automatically if you don't read this language.
>>
>
> In the android Chrome app (and I suppose other Chrome versions too) there
> is a "Translate page" (or something similar, I have the Swedish version!
> :-) item in the ⋮ menu which will translate a page and all linked pages on
> the fly. It's Google Translate of course so results may be funny at times
> but translation where one of the languages is English usually are passable
> for on-the-fly reading — not that it will put me out of translation jobs
> anytime soon!
>
>
>
>> Le Tuesday 31 May 2022 à 11:29:02AM, Shane Liesegang a écrit :
>> > Here they are in a gist.
>> >
>> > [1]https://gist.github.com/sjml/30b1f0093e48f37408871cc142d3dc12
>> >
>> > My program deals a lot with ancient and theological sources and has very
>> > specific requirements for how certain citations look. I’m sure at least
>> *some*
>> > of this could be done by modifying a CSL (like using “§” instead of
>> “sec.” in
>> > the locators), but others are around specific works (like the Summa
>> Theologica)
>> > or types of documents (papal encyclicals), and as far as I can tell, CSL
>> > doesn’t have that level of conditional processing. (I also speak Lua
>> far better
>> > than I do CSL. :) )
>> >
>> > What really inspired this question was the institutional abbreviation
>> filters —
>> > on a second citation of certain institutional sources, they should be
>> referred
>> > to by their abbreviation. But until CSL 1.1, there’s no support for
>> short
>> > author names… so I track subsequent mentions, suppress the author, and
>> add in
>> > the abbreviation after citeproc has done its work. But when I’m trying
>> to do
>> > that insertion into a citation with multiple sources, you see the kind
>> of
>> > weirdness I do in [2]that post-filter. Would be great if I could just
>> look for
>> > a Span with an attribute that maps to a citation key or something like
>> that.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >     On May 31, 2022, at 10:24 AM, <[3]denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org> <[4]
>> >     denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >     No, I’m not interested in anything in particular. Just general
>> interest.
>> >
>> >     Von: [5]pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <[6]
>> pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
>> >     > Im Auftrag von Shane Liesegang
>> >     Gesendet: Montag, 30. Mai 2022 15:43
>> >     An: [7]pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
>> >     Betreff: Re: Separating multiple citations in generated footnote
>> >
>> >     I haven't made the repository public yet, but would be happy to
>> share a
>> >     subset -- is there anything in particular you're interested in, or
>> just
>> >     general interest in citation filtering?
>> >
>> >     On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 11:14 AM <[8]denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >         I don’t have a particular suggestion for what you need, but I
>> might be
>> >         interested in what you already do. could you perhaps share your
>> >         filters ?
>> >
>> >         Best,
>> >         Denis
>> >
>> >         Von: [9]pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <[10]
>> >         pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> Im Auftrag von Shane Liesegang
>> >         Gesendet: Montag, 30. Mai 2022 09:07
>> >         An: pandoc-discuss <[11]pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
>> >         Betreff: Separating multiple citations in generated footnote
>> >
>> >         My institution has a few specific citation style requirements
>> that
>> >         stray from the standard Chicago Style. The changes are mostly
>> around
>> >         specific works, so it's difficult-to-impossible to meet the
>> >         requirements by making a new CSL.
>> >
>> >         For the most part I'm able to handle it with Lua filters. I
>> intercept
>> >         the citation reference both before and after --citeproc runs
>> and make
>> >         whatever changes I need to; this might entail changing the
>> style to
>> >         SuppressAuthor, making some capitalization/punctuation changes,
>> etc. In
>> >         general this works well, but where it gets difficult is if a
>> single
>> >         Cite element contains multiple citations. In that case, looking
>> at the
>> >         generated footnote, there's no hard indicator of which portion
>> came
>> >         from which citation. I've got something working based on
>> scanning for
>> >         semicolons, but I worry that's a little bit fragile and will
>> probably
>> >         break on certain sets of reference data.
>> >
>> >         Is there any good way of mapping portions of the footnote to
>> citation
>> >         keys? I was thinking to wrap them in a span with some custom
>> metadata,
>> >         but I can only see the citations either before --citeproc (when
>> the
>> >         footnote doesn't exist yet) or after (when the multiple
>> citations have
>> >         already combined). What would be truly ideal would be the
>> ability to
>> >         filter the citation process itself, but I'm assuming since
>> that's from
>> >         a different library that it is not exposed to Lua?
>> >
>> >         Like I said, I have something mostly working now, but any
>> thoughts/
>> >         advice would be appreciated.
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Re: Separating multiple citations in generated footnote

[Bastien DUMONT]

And the sources in our favorite document format can be found here: https://bastien-dumont.onmypc.net/git/bdumont/CSL-Clio :-)

Le Tuesday 31 May 2022 à 01:43:20PM, BPJ a écrit :
> Ah I see now that they are PDFs, however if you import them into Google Docs
> there is a Translate menu item there too somewhere, same caveats applying, plus
> that layout formatting may become funny when you import PDF into Google Docs.
> 
> Tip: Not only can you import PDFs into GDocs; you can re-export to docx and
> process with pandoc, but it's best to unwrap any multicolumn parts in GDocs
> first!
> 
> /bpj
> 
> Den tis 31 maj 2022 13:34BPJ <[1]bpj-J3H7GcXPSITLoDKTGw+V6w@public.gmane.org> skrev:
> 
> 
> 
>     Den tis 31 maj 2022 11:02Bastien DUMONT <[2]bastien.dumont-VwIFZPTo/vqsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
>     skrev:
> 
>         I have met the problem of adapting CSL to specific requirements too...
>         Although I study History, it seems that we are facing common drawbacks.
>         I defined a set of conventions for the recording of bibliographical
>         entries in Zotero and wrote a sample style. You can find the style and
>         the documentation here: [3]https://zenodo.org/communities/csl-clio/
>         search?page=1&size=20
> 
>         I don't think that you will want to take it as is, but I hope it could
>         be inspiring. It is in French, but you can retrieve the source of the
>         manual and translate it automatically if you don't read this language.
> 
> 
>     In the android Chrome app (and I suppose other Chrome versions too) there
>     is a "Translate page" (or something similar, I have the Swedish version!
>     :-) item in the ⋮ menu which will translate a page and all linked pages on
>     the fly. It's Google Translate of course so results may be funny at times
>     but translation where one of the languages is English usually are passable
>     for on-the-fly reading — not that it will put me out of translation jobs
>     anytime soon!
> 
> 
> 
> 
>         Le Tuesday 31 May 2022 à 11:29:02AM, Shane Liesegang a écrit :
>         > Here they are in a gist.
>         >
>         > [1][4]https://gist.github.com/sjml/30b1f0093e48f37408871cc142d3dc12
>         >
>         > My program deals a lot with ancient and theological sources and has
>         very
>         > specific requirements for how certain citations look. I’m sure at
>         least *some*
>         > of this could be done by modifying a CSL (like using “§” instead of
>         “sec.” in
>         > the locators), but others are around specific works (like the Summa
>         Theologica)
>         > or types of documents (papal encyclicals), and as far as I can tell,
>         CSL
>         > doesn’t have that level of conditional processing. (I also speak Lua
>         far better
>         > than I do CSL. :) )
>         >
>         > What really inspired this question was the institutional abbreviation
>         filters —
>         > on a second citation of certain institutional sources, they should be
>         referred
>         > to by their abbreviation. But until CSL 1.1, there’s no support for
>         short
>         > author names… so I track subsequent mentions, suppress the author,
>         and add in
>         > the abbreviation after citeproc has done its work. But when I’m
>         trying to do
>         > that insertion into a citation with multiple sources, you see the
>         kind of
>         > weirdness I do in [2]that post-filter. Would be great if I could just
>         look for
>         > a Span with an attribute that maps to a citation key or something
>         like that.
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >     On May 31, 2022, at 10:24 AM, <[3][5]denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org> <[4]
>         >     [6]denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>         >
>         >     No, I’m not interested in anything in particular. Just general
>         interest.
>         >     
>         >     Von: [5][7]pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <[6][8]
>         pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
>         >     > Im Auftrag von Shane Liesegang
>         >     Gesendet: Montag, 30. Mai 2022 15:43
>         >     An: [7][9]pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
>         >     Betreff: Re: Separating multiple citations in generated footnote
>         >     
>         >     I haven't made the repository public yet, but would be happy to
>         share a
>         >     subset -- is there anything in particular you're interested in,
>         or just
>         >     general interest in citation filtering?
>         >     
>         >     On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 11:14 AM <[8][10]denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org>
>         wrote:
>         >
>         >         I don’t have a particular suggestion for what you need, but I
>         might be
>         >         interested in what you already do. could you perhaps share
>         your
>         >         filters ?
>         >         
>         >         Best,
>         >         Denis
>         >         
>         >         Von: [9][11]pandoc-discuss@googlegroups.com <[10]
>         >         [12]pandoc-discuss@googlegroups.com> Im Auftrag von Shane
>         Liesegang
>         >         Gesendet: Montag, 30. Mai 2022 09:07
>         >         An: pandoc-discuss <[11][13]pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
>         >         Betreff: Separating multiple citations in generated footnote
>         >         
>         >         My institution has a few specific citation style requirements
>         that
>         >         stray from the standard Chicago Style. The changes are mostly
>         around
>         >         specific works, so it's difficult-to-impossible to meet the
>         >         requirements by making a new CSL.
>         >
>         >         For the most part I'm able to handle it with Lua filters. I
>         intercept
>         >         the citation reference both before and after --citeproc runs
>         and make
>         >         whatever changes I need to; this might entail changing the
>         style to
>         >         SuppressAuthor, making some capitalization/punctuation
>         changes, etc. In
>         >         general this works well, but where it gets difficult is if a
>         single
>         >         Cite element contains multiple citations. In that case,
>         looking at the
>         >         generated footnote, there's no hard indicator of which
>         portion came
>         >         from which citation. I've got something working based on
>         scanning for
>         >         semicolons, but I worry that's a little bit fragile and will
>         probably
>         >         break on certain sets of reference data.
>         >
>         >         Is there any good way of mapping portions of the footnote to
>         citation
>         >         keys? I was thinking to wrap them in a span with some custom
>         metadata,
>         >         but I can only see the citations either before --citeproc
>         (when the
>         >         footnote doesn't exist yet) or after (when the multiple
>         citations have
>         >         already combined). What would be truly ideal would be the
>         ability to
>         >         filter the citation process itself, but I'm assuming since
>         that's from
>         >         a different library that it is not exposed to Lua?
>         >
>         >         Like I said, I have something mostly working now, but any
>         thoughts/
>         >         advice would be appreciated.
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Re: Separating multiple citations in generated footnote

[Albert Krewinkel]

Shane Liesegang <liesegang-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:

> What would be truly ideal would be the ability to filter the
> citation process itself, but I'm assuming since that's from a
> different library that it is not exposed to Lua? Like I said, I
> have something mostly working now, but any thoughts/advice would
> be appreciated.

The closest thing is probably the `pandoc.utils.references`
function (added in pandoc 2.17). It gives you access to the
structured reference entries. Theoretically one could write a
custom citation handler by using that function and filtering
`Cite` elements; it might or might not be worth the effort in your
case.

HTH,

Albert


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Re: Separating multiple citations in generated footnote

[Shane Liesegang]

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On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 4:35 PM Albert Krewinkel <albert+pandoc@zeitkraut.de <mailto:albert%2Bpandoc-9EawChwDxG8hFhg+JK9F0w@public.gmane.org>> wrote:

The closest thing is probably the `pandoc.utils.references`
function (added in pandoc 2.17). It gives you access to the
structured reference entries. Theoretically one could write a
custom citation handler by using that function and filtering
`Cite` elements; it might or might not be worth the effort in your
case.


Yeah, I'm making heavy use of that already for my filtering. It works fine for single citations, but I don't want to just totally swallow the existing citation in case it's part of a Cite that has other citations, though. This is what I mean about somehow filtering during citeproc so I could directly replace the emitted elements that form the footnote -- if I could do that I could wrap them in a span, change with greater confidence, etc.


(Sorry for the double-message to Alfred, but accidentally sent this only to him at first.)

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Re: Separating multiple citations in generated footnote

[jcr]

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Thanks for pointing out the addition of `pandoc.utils.references`. It's 
definitely useful. I'll have to look into it the next time I want to do 
something special with citations.

I have twice wanted to be able to distinguish individual citations in 
`Cite`'s inlines. Once was for the purpose of spell checking. When I cite 
sources in multiple languages, I need multi-lingual spell checking. So, in 
addition to the document that I will submit, I make ODT with the languages 
tagged so that I can spell check in LibreOffice. To spell check the 
citations, they need to be appropriately tagged. Because each bibliography 
entry has an ID derived from its bibliography key, I can identify them and 
give them an appropriate `lang` attribute. But in footnotes, it's not clear 
where one citation ends and the next begins, so I can't add a lang 
attribute in general. Even if there's just one citation, it could have a 
prefix or suffix in the document language. For this, perhaps I could use 
`pandoc.utils.references`, tag the principal parts of the citation with the 
reference's language, and save the resulting references in the `Pandoc` 
element for citeproc.

The second application was for a journal that uses idem instead of 
repeating author names. When I decided that an automatic solution was not 
practical, I solved the problem manually for the few citations that needed 
idem. For this, I would need too be able to identify not only individual 
citations, but also the author part of the citation. However, knowing my 
CSL style, I could assume that the author is the first element in the 
citation proper (after the prefix), or the series of elements that ends 
with `SmallCaps`.
On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 3:35:06 PM UTC+2 Albert Krewinkel wrote:

>
> Shane Liesegang <lies...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:
>
> > What would be truly ideal would be the ability to filter the
> > citation process itself, but I'm assuming since that's from a
> > different library that it is not exposed to Lua? Like I said, I
> > have something mostly working now, but any thoughts/advice would
> > be appreciated.
>
> The closest thing is probably the `pandoc.utils.references`
> function (added in pandoc 2.17). It gives you access to the
> structured reference entries. Theoretically one could write a
> custom citation handler by using that function and filtering
> `Cite` elements; it might or might not be worth the effort in your
> case.
>
> HTH,
>
> Albert
>
>
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AW: Separating multiple citations in generated footnote

[denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0]

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Hi everyone,

that’s all really interesting stuff here. Would it make sense to collect ideas for additional citation support somewhere?

Best,
Denis

Von: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> Im Auftrag von jcr
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. Juni 2022 19:37
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Betreff: Re: Separating multiple citations in generated footnote

Thanks for pointing out the addition of `pandoc.utils.references`. It's definitely useful. I'll have to look into it the next time I want to do something special with citations.

I have twice wanted to be able to distinguish individual citations in `Cite`'s inlines. Once was for the purpose of spell checking. When I cite sources in multiple languages, I need multi-lingual spell checking. So, in addition to the document that I will submit, I make ODT with the languages tagged so that I can spell check in LibreOffice. To spell check the citations, they need to be appropriately tagged. Because each bibliography entry has an ID derived from its bibliography key, I can identify them and give them an appropriate `lang` attribute. But in footnotes, it's not clear where one citation ends and the next begins, so I can't add a lang attribute in general. Even if there's just one citation, it could have a prefix or suffix in the document language. For this, perhaps I could use `pandoc.utils.references`, tag the principal parts of the citation with the reference's language, and save the resulting references in the `Pandoc` element for citeproc.

The second application was for a journal that uses idem instead of repeating author names. When I decided that an automatic solution was not practical, I solved the problem manually for the few citations that needed idem. For this, I would need too be able to identify not only individual citations, but also the author part of the citation. However, knowing my CSL style, I could assume that the author is the first element in the citation proper (after the prefix), or the series of elements that ends with `SmallCaps`.
On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 3:35:06 PM UTC+2 Albert Krewinkel wrote:

Shane Liesegang <lies...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:

> What would be truly ideal would be the ability to filter the
> citation process itself, but I'm assuming since that's from a
> different library that it is not exposed to Lua? Like I said, I
> have something mostly working now, but any thoughts/advice would
> be appreciated.

The closest thing is probably the `pandoc.utils.references`
function (added in pandoc 2.17). It gives you access to the
structured reference entries. Theoretically one could write a
custom citation handler by using that function and filtering
`Cite` elements; it might or might not be worth the effort in your
case.

HTH,

Albert


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