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I have transscriptions from Japanese into Chinese= or Western Scripts (several transcriptive systems), and of course, sorting= is a problem. But until now I could solve all this with a Biblatex databas= e that is tailored to my own needs with very many extra fields -- I do not = fill them all but only if needed -- that I export with different fields int= o a standard Bibtex database that works for a certain publication, and with= Biber, all sorting etc. worked just as needed.=20 Unfortunately, at the moment this is not my workflow, but I will return to = that this year again and hope to be able to explain this in more detail as = well as perhaps set up some rules that work beyond my special needs in East= Asia. But I am sure you could solve your problem with this approach easily= and certainly with more expertise than I do. =20 > Am 07.09.2019 um 19:05 schrieb BPJ : >=20 > I just realized two things which make matters much worse: >=20 > 1. Not all publications accept the same transliteration schemes. Just by= surveying one author's references to his own works in one bibliography I f= ind that his surname, =D0=AF=D0=B1=D0=BB=D0=BE=D0=BD=D1=81=D0=BA=D0=B8=D0= =B9, can be transliterated in five different ways (although two predominate= )! So I'll need both a `transliterated title` field and a field `transliter= ated authors` field with (in each item) a mapping of alternative transliter= ations. Even Icelandic needs to be transliterated sometimes, e.g. =C3=9E=C3= =B3r=C3=B0ur becoming Th=C3=B3rdur (with data loss!) >=20 > 2. Sorting. Latin letters like _=C4=8D, =C5=A1, =C5=BE_ need to sort as = _c, s, z_ and probably _=C3=9E_ must sometimes sort like _Th_ and sometimes= after _z_! This needs sometimes tailored locale dependent sorting! Accente= d letters can ideally be handled by entering things in NFC and hoping that = sort algorithms ignore combining marks, but then e.g. in Scandinavian langu= ages _=C3=B6_ sorts not as _o_ but at the end of the alphabet (ideally _=C3= =BE, =C3=A6, =C3=B8, =C3=A5, =C3=A4, =C3=B6_ go at the end of the alphabet = in that order, but often _=C3=A6/=C3=A4, =C3=B8/=C3=B6_ are conflated eithe= r before or after _=C3=A5_!). Anyway it seems CSL has no customizable sort = key field. I know how to handle these things myself with [Unicode::Collate]= [] but that at least means some postprocessing of as yet unknown complexity= . >=20 > Den ons 4 sep. 2019 09:33BPJ skrev: > Does anyone know how to handle transliterated titles and names in=20 > citations, when you want to include both the transliteration and the=20 > original? Does CSL have any fields for that? >=20 > TIA, >=20 > /bpj >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "pandoc-discuss" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an= email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgi= d/pandoc-discuss/CADAJKhButR28wyxanhAEYJnjmnRtBQ8OraU0aZ86BHRmkm1SjA%40mail= .gmail.com. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pandoc-discuss" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= pandoc-discuss/2DF40D83-A1D5-48BD-972C-2D7CF8127038%40zaw.uni-heidelberg.de= .