From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.text.pandoc/11000 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: nickbart1980-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org Newsgroups: gmane.text.pandoc Subject: Re: Footnote with citations and multiple paragraphs using pandoc-citeproc Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 01:47:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2d62aa21-e80c-4169-967e-100f6eb6db26@googlegroups.com> References: <3FDE0D22-3F5C-4471-9451-CD0FA4E96531@gmail.com> <20140926210311.GB20437@berkeley.edu> <246e0391-eb53-40d3-bb59-dc1c97d94ebb@googlegroups.com> <20140927041953.GA38502@localhost.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> Reply-To: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1331_165493388.1411807638757" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1411807646 19993 80.91.229.3 (27 Sep 2014 08:47:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 08:47:26 +0000 (UTC) To: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org Original-X-From: pandoc-discuss+bncBDIPX6WQ4INBBF7TTGQQKGQEP3IRNFI-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org Sat Sep 27 10:47:21 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: gtp-pandoc-discuss@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from mail-qa0-f57.google.com ([209.85.216.57]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XXney-0002qh-TB for gtp-pandoc-discuss@m.gmane.org; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 10:47:21 +0200 Original-Received: by mail-qa0-f57.google.com with SMTP id v10sf1299470qac.2 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 01:47:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=uEZLOH3JlZdDeGCIt2C29VaJco9c0u18BuW8DoIUT9A=; b=l/FbLU+7piapd9wpf64wiPbtCMccbLeWfo0+mvvFMcqFo61bRmwz3lxPU3jTzbdsHL T4fhLv5e8kEGPNLOZ/hMgOHxsbGe5dx6jThnma9NDGh5TMNCeiqE90IispzVt//Z7oe9 VoJgrVkhwkOckJ5bL6Ey0bj2XTYw+WHCbGL990iYJpB7pmelop0sQYDfIoIz4kPHbmqM klt6+yQga349fDZKbeu1p4y7LXoz0S/nFvP4o+wlpEBQOmgL95e8/6hNrCrkM8c5B1T0 bou+NOZvui2YKohcaSowCLpBOfp8Qkt1oDJ6ftAP8HoYu7XfDzfunMYYOHx5U0q+s+24 nd2Q== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=uEZLOH3JlZdDeGCIt2C29VaJco9c0u18BuW8DoIUT9A=; b=foZR85CRNQera5cwd8MPxTM9Velq96PNMsIsCs5d3/JlPA1LPqDlGK2FTZKDMI59sQ iMzngQajz/lSoby6+OSMASlQexFQ5G2AtIodqyKpTUoLlsweM85CfxFicIrrtem9zb8B MbO3/HKUpXnA5/VKi9me61wUDPpt1k9DOnT+SGBEqjxz5rj7jpA8G5J3y/5MNaPBPvVl CIUq3tPfaJO/IKUW741Kh5rXVv+2eGVhA3LiBR0wqCK0wcAH4pTMs3zIFHWR0ePvtKOi gz9/5PhCXXcqBQ+hmtwgE4QJywN6eqJvMJ6jgND/lmRYpf0sHwvT4LpMZuUfoqSFy8/D OJPg== X-Received: by 10.140.96.244 with SMTP id k107mr10qge.39.1411807639955; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 01:47:19 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org Original-Received: by 10.140.104.180 with SMTP id a49ls1431073qgf.90.gmail; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 01:47:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.102.110 with SMTP id v101mr6537qge.6.1411807639530; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 01:47:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140927041953.GA38502-bi+AKbBUZKbivNSvqvJHCtPlBySK3R6THiGdP5j34PU@public.gmane.org> X-Original-Sender: nickbart1980-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org Precedence: list Mailing-list: list pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org; contact pandoc-discuss+owners-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1007024079513 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.text.pandoc:11000 Archived-At: ------=_Part_1331_165493388.1411807638757 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > A larger solution might be in giving up the ability of pandoc-citeproc to produce either inline citations or note citations. I, for one, strongly oppose this idea. As to some possible workaround for "multiparagraph footnotes": If newlines instead of paragraph breaks are acceptable, then inserting space-space-return in the middle of a citation a the spot when you want a linebreak to appear seems to do the trick, e.g., ```` Foo [see @item1. See also @item2]. ```` (A backslash followed by a return did not work however when I tried it.) On Saturday, September 27, 2014 4:20:07 AM UTC, John MacFarlane wrote: > > +++ hgv [Sep 26 14 14:43 ]: > >A larger solution might be in giving up the ability of pandoc-citeproc to > >produce either inline citations or note citations. I understand how > useful > >this is, but if it doesn't actually work for one side of it (notes), I > >don't see the value. Of course, I only work with Chicago > note-bibliography, > >which is where my bias comes from. But it seems to be designed primarily > >for those who work with Chicago author-date (and other inline styles), > not > >really those who use both extensively. But as I'm sure this would entail > a > >fair amount of work to just get back to where it is now, I understand the > >downsides. > > The question is this: in footnote styles, how SHOULD a citation that > appears inside a note be formatted? Clearly not as a footnote, but > unfortunately beyond that the style won't give us guidance. Should > it be a separate sentence? In parentheses? In brackets? These are > all stylistic variations, but the style can't help us here because > it's a note style. > > If this question could be answered, perhaps progress could be made. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. 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> A larger solution might be in giving up the ability o= f pandoc-citeproc to produce either inline citations or note citations.
=
I, for one, strongly oppose this idea.

As to some possible worka= round for "multiparagraph footnotes": If newlines instead of paragraph brea= ks are acceptable, then inserting space-space-return in the middle of a cit= ation a the spot when you want a linebreak to appear seems to do the trick,= e.g.,

````
Foo [see @item1. 
See also @item2].
````=

(A backslash followed by a return did not work however when I tried= it.)

On Saturday, September 27, 2014 4:20:07 AM UTC, John MacFarlan= e wrote:
+++ hgv [Sep 26 14 14:= 43 ]:
>A larger solution might be in giving up the ability of pandoc-citep= roc to
>produce either inline citations or note citations. I understand how= useful
>this is, but if it doesn't actually work for one side of it (notes)= , I
>don't see the value. Of course, I only work with Chicago note-bibli= ography,
>which is where my bias comes from. But it seems to be designed prim= arily
>for those who work with Chicago author-date (and other inline style= s), not
>really those who use both extensively. But as I'm sure this would e= ntail a
>fair amount of work to just get back to where it is now, I understa= nd the
>downsides.

The question is this:  in footnote styles, how SHOULD a citation t= hat
appears inside a note be formatted?  Clearly not as a footnote, bu= t
unfortunately beyond that the style won't give us guidance.  Shoul= d
it be a separate sentence?  In parentheses?  In brackets? &nb= sp;These are
all stylistic variations, but the style can't help us here because
it's a note style.

If this question could be answered, perhaps progress could be made.

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