From: Denis Maier <denis.maier.lists-cl+VPiYnx/1AfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
To: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: WIP: better citation processing
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 21:20:59 +0200 [thread overview]
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Posting back to the list... Maybe someone else has opinions regarding
the title case question.
Am 17.09.2020 um 21:18 schrieb Denis Maier:
> Regarding ConTeXt: I'll have a look.
>
> Title-casing: I think adopting biblatex's behavior would be
> reasonable. I.e., skip the conversion for non-English items. I'd
> assume those to be entered according to the conventions of their
> language. Everything else would just be a mistake. I don't think that
> distinction exists in many languages other than English.
>
>
> Am 17.09.2020 um 19:53 schrieb John MacFarlane:
>> John MacFarlane <jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> writes:
>>
>>> Question: if the reference contains `language: de-DE`, should
>>> that prevent titlecase transformations automatically, even if
>>> the locale for the style is en-US?
>> Sorry, this question was confused. Just for background:
>> in converting bibtex to CSL references, we do a sentence case
>> transformation, since CSL references are assumed to be in
>> sentence case.
>>
>> That transformation lowercases the German nouns unless
>> they're protected with {} in the bibtex.
>>
>> Perhaps the question to ask is whether the sentence-case
>> transformation should be skipped for references that have
>> language = {german} (or other non-English) in their
>> biblatex entries. My view is that it should not be
>> skipped, because bitex bibliographies may use title case
>> even for foreign titles, but I'm not completely sure.
>>
>> As for adding to ConTeXt, I'll put that on the list too.
>> The LaTeX changes define these macros:
>>
>> ```
>> \newlength{\cslhangindent}
>> \setlength{\cslhangindent}{1.5em}
>> \newlength{\csllabelwidth}
>> \setlength{\csllabelwidth}{3em}
>> \newenvironment{CSLReferences}[3] % #1 hanging-ident, #2 entry sp
>> {% turn on hanging indent if param 1 is 1
>> \ifodd #1
>> \everypar{\setlength{\hangindent}{\cslhangindent}}\ignorespaces\fi
>> % set line spacing
>> % set entry spacing
>> \ifnum #2 > 0
>> \setlength{\parskip}{#3\baselineskip}
>> \fi
>> }%
>> {}
>> \usepackage{calc} % for \widthof, \maxof
>> \newcommand{\CSLBlock}[1]{#1\hfill\break}
>> \newcommand{\CSLLeftMargin}[1]{\parbox[t]{\maxof{\widthof{#1}}{\csllabelwidth}}{#1}}
>>
>> \newcommand{\CSLRightInline}[1]{\parbox[t]{\linewidth}{#1}}
>> \newcommand{\CSLIndent}[1]{\hspace{\cslhangindent}#1}
>> ```
>>
>> So it would just be a matter of creating similar macros that
>> work in ConTeXt, and telling the ConTeXt writer to use them.
>> I can do the latter if you do the former.
> I'll have a look!
>
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2020-08-16 22:59 John MacFarlane
2020-08-17 14:55 ` OT: " Anton Shepelev
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2020-08-17 14:31 ` James
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2020-08-17 23:17 ` Priv.-Doz. Dr. Maria Shinoto
2020-08-18 9:58 ` Denis Maier
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2020-08-18 15:39 ` jcr
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2020-08-18 16:59 ` Denis Maier
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2020-08-18 18:13 ` FI Apps
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2020-08-18 21:14 ` Denis Maier
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2020-08-19 8:37 ` FI Apps
2020-08-19 12:47 ` James P. Ascher
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2020-08-19 13:12 ` Denis Maier
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2020-08-19 13:37 ` James P. Ascher
2020-08-21 19:41 ` John MacFarlane
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2020-08-22 9:33 ` Denis Maier
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2020-09-08 18:15 ` John MacFarlane
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2020-09-09 7:51 ` Gabriel Nützi
2020-09-09 9:10 ` FI Apps
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2020-09-11 15:12 ` John MacFarlane
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2020-09-11 16:02 ` Albert Krewinkel
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2020-09-11 16:24 ` John MacFarlane
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2020-09-11 16:46 ` Albert Krewinkel
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2020-09-11 18:51 ` proposed --citeproc option John MacFarlane
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2020-09-12 15:56 ` BPJ
2020-09-11 20:31 ` WIP: better citation processing Denis Maier
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2020-09-11 20:58 ` John MacFarlane
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2020-09-11 21:14 ` Denis Maier
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2020-09-11 21:21 ` Denis Maier
2020-09-17 17:18 ` John MacFarlane
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2020-09-17 17:30 ` Denis Maier
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2020-09-17 19:20 ` Denis Maier [this message]
2020-09-12 6:45 ` Denis Maier
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2020-08-20 12:29 ` Joseph Reagle
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2020-08-21 19:06 ` John MacFarlane
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2020-08-21 19:12 ` John MacFarlane
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2020-08-21 23:03 ` John MacFarlane
2021-06-16 18:14 ` Joseph
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2021-06-16 19:33 ` John MacFarlane
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2021-06-17 14:01 ` Joseph Reagle
2020-09-24 16:10 ` WIP: better citation processing - nightlies now available for testing! John MacFarlane
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