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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear John, Just final confirmation after retesting: to get the transform to work from= =20 mathML to Word I needed both pandoc 2.1.1 (so presumably the fix you=20 referred to) *and* the correct unicode symbol in the mathML.=20 Thanks again, Emma On Tuesday, 23 January 2018 11:06:04 UTC, Emma Cliffe wrote: > > > Dear John, > > Okay, I think that I have solved the issue. The clue was in=20 > https://hackage.haskell.org/package/texmath-0.8.6.5/changelog where it=20 > states "Fixed overbrace, underbrace (#82). Previously we were using the= =20 > wrong character: U+FE37 instead of U+23DE. This didn't work in Word." If = I=20 > switch the unicode character in the input mathML then the conversion does= =20 > then work correctly in a simple test.=20 > > The mathML does still render correctly so I guess I need to switch unicod= e=20 > under and over braces.=20 > > Sorry for the confusion and thanks for your time. > Emma > > > On Tuesday, 23 January 2018 10:27:53 UTC, Emma Cliffe wrote: >> >> Dear John, >> >> Sorry, I should have tested more extensively. You are correct, this does= =20 >> fix the LaTeX to Word conversion. However, we are actually converting=20 >> MathML to Word. When I originally reported it I got the same incorrect= =20 >> result on conversion from LaTeX to Word and on conversion from MathML to= =20 >> Word so I reported both at once as I assumed, obviously incorrectly that= =20 >> the two issues had the same cause. I have now checked everything and the= =20 >> situation is: >> >> LaTeX to Word is now producing the correct output >> MathML to Word is still producing incorrect output >> >> The MathML is: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> x >> x >> x >> … >> x >> x >> >> ︸ >> >> >> >> n >> >> >> >> >> >> The above renders correctly in Firefox (native rendering) and using=20 >> MathJax. I am pretty sure that this is the right MathML? >> >> I attach a screenshot of what I get when I render the above and the=20 >> output of the transform to Word. I'll keep trying to work out what is=20 >> actually happening. >> >> Many thanks for any insights, >> Emma >> >> On Monday, 22 January 2018 19:27:38 UTC, John MacFarlane wrote: >>> >>> Here's what I get when I convert=20 >>> >>> $$=20 >>> \underbrace{xxx\ldots xx}_n=20 >>> $$=20 >>> >>> from markdown to docx (see attached screenshot).=20 >>> >>> That looks just right to me. I wasn't sure how to=20 >>> interpret your "linear format" strings, so I'm not=20 >>> sure what you're seeing. You can attach a screenshot.=20 >>> >>> Your pandoc is compiled against a recent version=20 >>> of texmath (0.10.1).=20 >>> >>> >>> +++ Emma Cliffe [Jan 22 18 10:08 ]:=20 >>> > Dear John,=20 >>> > Thanks for the information below. For some reason I didn't see your= =20 >>> > response when you posted it. I have just now tried the latest=20 >>> version=20 >>> > of pandoc from the downloads page (pandoc 2.1.1 Compiled with=20 >>> > pandoc-types 1.17.3, texmath 0.10.1, skylighting 0.6) and I am=20 >>> getting=20 >>> > the same problem. The output in linear format of Word is=20 >>> ((xxx=E2=80=A6xx)=E2=94=AC(}=20 >>> > ))=E2=94=ACn which does not render correctly. This seems to be abou= t the=20 >>> same=20 >>> > as what I was getting before: ((xxx=E2=80=A6xx)=E2=94=AC=E2=8F=9F)= =E2=94=ACn and not what I would=20 >>> > expect to get: =E2=8F=9F(xxx=E2=80=A6xx)=E2=94=ACn=20 >>> > From what I can tell the binary is using a version of texmath that= =20 >>> > contains the below mentioned fix?=20 >>> > Thanks for any help you can give us.=20 >>> > Emma=20 >>> > On Tuesday, 3 October 2017 21:52:27 UTC+1, John MacFarlane wrote:= =20 >>> >=20 >>> > This bug got fixed in texmath in February 2016.=20 >>> > If you compile your pandoc against the most recent version=20 >>> > of texmath, it should work.=20 >>> > Anyway, this will be fixed in the pandoc 2.0 binary=20 >>> > packages. Or you can try (at your own risk) a binary=20 >>> > from pandoc-nightlies.=20 >>> > +++ Emma Cliffe [Oct 03 17 02:36 ]:=20 >>> > > Morning,=20 >>> > > I am having trouble getting pandoc to convert underbrace=20 >>> either=20 >>> > into=20 >>> > > Word or out of Word. I wondered if there is either something = I=20 >>> > am doing=20 >>> > > wrong, whether this is a known problem (I can't find a report= )=20 >>> > or if=20 >>> > > there is a work round for converting into Word.=20 >>> > > If I try to convert:=20 >>> > > \[=20 >>> > > \underbrace{xxx\ldots xx}_n=20 >>> > > \]=20 >>> > > for instance then what I get in Word (linear format) is:=20 >>> > > ((xxx=E2=80=A6xx)=E2=94=AC=E2=8F=9F)=E2=94=ACn=20 >>> > > which does not render as a stretched underbrace.=20 >>> > > I would expect to get:=20 >>> > > =E2=8F=9F(xxx=E2=80=A6xx)=E2=94=ACn=20 >>> > > which is typed directly into Word as \underbrace(xxx\ldots=20 >>> xx)_n=20 >>> > (then=20 >>> > > space to trigger). You get the same linear interpretation if= =20 >>> you=20 >>> > use=20 >>> > > the mouse to create the structure.=20 >>> > > The above is the direction I am interested in. I am actually= =20 >>> > converting=20 >>> > > from MathML and see the same behaviour as in the cut down tes= t=20 >>> > of md or=20 >>> > > tex to docx I have explained above.=20 >>> > > For completeness I tried to convert in the other direction.= =20 >>> > Starting=20 >>> > > from the above structure in Word I end up with:=20 >>> > > \[\underset{n}{}\]=20 >>> > > which has not only lost the xxx...xx but underbrace has becom= e=20 >>> > underset=20 >>> > > which is not the same thing.=20 >>> > > Does anyone know anything more about this?=20 >>> > > Many thanks,=20 >>> > > Emma=20 >>> > >=20 >>> > > --=20 >>> > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the= =20 >>> > Google=20 >>> > > Groups "pandoc-discuss" group.=20 >>> > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from= =20 >>> > it, send=20 >>> > > an email to [1][1]pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org=20 >>> > > To post to this group, send email to=20 >>> > > [2][2]pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org=20 >>> > > To view this discussion on the web visit=20 >>> > > [3][3]https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/=20 >>> > f240aa27-3e64-430c-=20 >>> > > 82b0-55e095a5b175%[4]40googlegroups.com.=20 >>> > > For more options, visit [4][5]https://groups.google.com/=20 >>> > d/optout.=20 >>> > >=20 >>> > >References=20 >>> > >=20 >>> > > 1. mailto:[6]pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org=20 >>> > > 2. mailto:[7]pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org=20 >>> > > 3. 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Dear John,

Just final confirmation after retest= ing: to get the transform to work from mathML to Word I needed both pandoc = 2.1.1 (so presumably the fix you referred to) and the correct unicod= e symbol in the mathML.

Thanks again,
Emma

On Tuesday, 23= January 2018 11:06:04 UTC, Emma Cliffe wrote:

Dear John,

Okay, I think that = I have solved the issue. The clue was in ht= tps://hackage.haskell.org/package/texmath-0.8.6.5/changelog w= here it states "Fixed overbrace, underbrace (#82). Previously we were= using the wrong character: U+FE37 instead of U+23DE. This didn't work in Word.&quo= t; If I switch the unicode character in the input mathML then the conversio= n does then work correctly in a simple test.

The mathML does still = render correctly so I guess I need to switch unicode under and over braces.=

Sorry for the confusion and thanks for your time.
Emma

<= br>On Tuesday, 23 January 2018 10:27:53 UTC, Emma Cliffe wrote:
Dear John,

Sorry, I sh= ould have tested more extensively. You are correct, this does fix the LaTeX= to Word conversion. However, we are actually converting MathML to Word. Wh= en I originally reported it I got the same incorrect result on conversion f= rom LaTeX to Word and on conversion from MathML to Word so I reported both = at once as I assumed, obviously incorrectly that the two issues had the sam= e cause. I have now checked everything and the situation is:

LaTeX t= o Word is now producing the correct output
MathML to Word is still produ= cing incorrect output

The MathML is:

<math xmlns=3D"<= a href=3D"http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_b= lank" onmousedown=3D"this.href=3D'http://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttp%3= A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F1998%2FMath%2FMathML\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3d= AFQjCNF6KdjgZweY4R-YjGc9TCgCSa6How';return true;" onclick=3D"this.href= =3D'http://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F1998%2FMat= h%2FMathML\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNF6KdjgZweY4R-YjGc9TCgCSa= 6How';return true;">http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" d= isplay=3D"block">
=C2=A0 <mrow>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= <munder>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <mrow>
=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 <munder>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <mrow>
=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <mi>x</mi>
=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <mi>x</mi>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <mi>x</mi>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 <mo>&#x2026;</mo>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 <mi>x</mi>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <= mi>x</mi>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 </mrow>
=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <mo>&#xFE38;</mo>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 &l= t;/munder>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </mrow>
=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <mrow>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <mi>n</mi= >
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </mrow>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = </munder>
=C2=A0 </mrow>
</math>

The above r= enders correctly in Firefox (native rendering) and using MathJax. I am pret= ty sure that this is the right MathML?

I attach a screenshot of what= I get when I render the above and the output of the transform to Word. I&#= 39;ll keep trying to work out what is actually happening.

Many thank= s for any insights,
Emma

On Monday, 22 January 2018 19:27:38 UTC,= John MacFarlane wrote:
Here's = what I get when I convert

$$
\underbrace{xxx\ldots xx}_n
$$

from markdown to docx (see attached screenshot).

That looks just right to me. =C2=A0I wasn't sure how to
interpret your "linear format" strings, so I'm not
sure what you're seeing. =C2=A0You can attach a screenshot.

Your pandoc is compiled against a recent version
of texmath (0.10.1).


+++ Emma Cliffe [Jan 22 18 10:08 ]:
> =C2=A0 Dear John,
> =C2=A0 Thanks for the information below. For some reason I didn= 9;t see your
> =C2=A0 response when you posted it. I have just now tried the late= st version
> =C2=A0 of pandoc from the downloads page (pandoc 2.1.1 Compiled wi= th
> =C2=A0 pandoc-types 1.17.3, texmath 0.10.1, skylighting 0.6) and I= am getting
> =C2=A0 the same problem. The output in linear format of Word is ((= xxx=E2=80=A6xx)=E2=94=AC(}
> =C2=A0 ))=E2=94=ACn which does not render correctly. This seems to= be about the same
> =C2=A0 as what I was getting before: ((xxx=E2=80=A6xx)=E2=94=AC=E2= =8F=9F)=E2=94=ACn and not what I would
> =C2=A0 expect to get: =E2=8F=9F(xxx=E2=80=A6xx)=E2=94=ACn
> =C2=A0 From what I can tell the binary is using a version of texma= th that
> =C2=A0 contains the below mentioned fix?
> =C2=A0 Thanks for any help you can give us.
> =C2=A0 Emma
> =C2=A0 On Tuesday, 3 October 2017 21:52:27 UTC+1, John MacFarlane = wrote:
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 This bug got fixed in texmath in February 2016.
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 If you compile your pandoc against the most recent v= ersion
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 of texmath, it should work.
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Anyway, this will be fixed in the pandoc 2.0 binary
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 packages. =C2=A0Or you can try (at your own risk) a = binary
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 from pandoc-nightlies.
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +++ Emma Cliffe [Oct 03 17 02:36 ]:
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 Morning,
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 I am having trouble getting pandoc to co= nvert underbrace either
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 into
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 Word or out of Word. I wondered if there= is either something I
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 am doing
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 wrong, whether this is a known problem (= I can't find a report)
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 or if
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 there is a work round for converting int= o Word.
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 If I try to convert:
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 \[
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 \underbrace{xxx\ldots xx}_n
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 \]
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 for instance then what I get in Word (li= near format) is:
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 ((xxx=E2=80=A6xx)=E2=94=AC=E2=8F=9F)=E2= =94=ACn
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 which does not render as a stretched und= erbrace.
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 I would expect to get:
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 =E2=8F=9F(xxx=E2=80=A6xx)=E2=94=ACn
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 which is typed directly into Word as \un= derbrace(xxx\ldots xx)_n
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (then
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 space to trigger). You get the same line= ar interpretation if you
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 use
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 the mouse to create the structure.
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 The above is the direction I am interest= ed in. I am actually
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 converting
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 from MathML and see the same behaviour a= s in the cut down test
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 of md or
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 tex to docx I have explained above.
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 For completeness I tried to convert in t= he other direction.
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Starting
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 from the above structure in Word I end u= p with:
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 \[\underset{n}{}\]
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 which has not only lost the xxx...xx but= underbrace has become
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 underset
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 which is not the same thing.
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 Does anyone know anything more about thi= s?
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 Many thanks,
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 Emma
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
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