Re: Citeproc is bringing a question mark inside quotes?

[gnpan <g.panayotou-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>]

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This problem was introduced with citeproc, which applies the style to the 
whole document, not just citations - it didn't occur with older versions of 
pandoc that used pandoc-citeproc. According to Jim 
<https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues/7005#issuecomment-754179054>, it 
would be tricky to fix this without causing problems with note citations. 

On Saturday, 26 June 2021 at 00:25:14 UTC+3 amph...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote:

> On 6/25/2021 13:47, gnpan wrote:
> > This is a csl locale issue, US is default. You can try --metadata 
> > lang=en-GB as suggested here 
> > <https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues/7005> or add a zero-width-space 
> as 
> > mentioned here 
> > <https://groups.google.com/g/pandoc-discuss/c/NiFPVF9TeCg/m/9pHluL3iAgAJ
> >.
> > 
> > 
> > On Friday, 25 June 2021 at 14:38:07 UTC+3 William Lupton wrote:
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > It seems that adding --citeproc causes a question mark to be brought
> > within quotes, which I didn't expect. I tried escaping it but this
> > didn't make any difference. Putting a space before it avoids the
> > behaviour... but I don't want a space!
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > William
> > 
> > % pandoc -v
> > pandoc 2.14.0.3
> > 
> > % cat question.md
> > '-'?
> > 
> > % pandoc question.md
> > <p>‘-’?</p>
> > 
> > % pandoc --citeproc question.md
> > <p>‘-?’</p>
> > 
>
>
> US practice is to put commas and stops inside the quotation marks of a 
> quotation and larger punctuation (?!;:) outside, except in the case that 
> the large punctuation is part of the quoted material (“Who, me?”). So, 
> US practice supports both.
> Similarly, British (or UK, or GB) practice places marks in a default 
> position (outside) but allows them inside based on the semantic content.
> If CSL US locale processing is mangling this by moving both large and 
> small marks in every case, then CSL processing is creating some new 
> standard. I would suggest that if the proper position cannot be 
> programmatically determined it should default to what the writer writes.
> Quotation marks are used for other things than quotations. Indeed, 
> the use in citation processing is such another use. Again the writer 
> must be trusted to place punctuation properly in context. A.J. Liebling 
> wrote ‘Do You Belong in Journalism?’ in 1960; did he write it in his 
> regular column ‘The Wayward Press’?
> The behavior identified here takes place outside of citation 
> processing. The OP is rightly surprised that it results in changes 
> beyond that scope.
>
> -- 
> Rik
>
>

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