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This is the ecuation in docx as readed by LibreOffice:=20 {y =3Dm x +b none none \( 1 \)} You can observe that LibreOffice can't interprete the quad spaces and=20 translates=20 it as 'none'. The same equation generated by Pandoc from markdown to odt, lacks the=20 space.=20 If made directly with the LibreOffice suite, its equation editor provides a= =20 tilde=20 '~' character with provides a 'large space' according to LibreOffice=20 MathGuide.=20 It is necessary to use four tildes to equal the space of an quad as viewed= =20 in=20 MS Office. For a qquad are necesary 8 tildes ('~~~~~~~~') to represent that= =20 space. Thats is explained in the following text: From Math-guide (pag 38): Space at the end of a formula The grave accent ` inserts a small additional space into the formula;= =20 the=20 tilde ~ inserts a larger one. In the basic installation, these symbols= =20 are=20 ignored when they occur at the end of a formula. However, when working= =20 with running text, it may be necessary to include spacing at the end of=20 formulas=20 as well. This customization is only available when you are working with= =20 a=20 Math document, and not when you are embedding a Math object. The next code is an export of LibreOffice Math as MathML 1.01, of the=20 equation written in LibreOffice: ~~~ y =3D m x + b ( 1 ) {y =3D m x + b ~~~~~~~~ \( 1 = =20 \)} ~~~ I verified with=20 [Wolfram Research](http://www.mathmlcentral.com/Tools/ValidateMathML.jsp)= =20 and reports that "The input is valid MathML". Pandoc's manual states (p46, pdf): Docx It will be rendered using OMML math markup. RTF, OpenDocument, ODT It will be rendered, if possible, using unicode characters, and will otherwise appear verbatim. LibreOffice MathGuide informs that are some limitations converting math=20 objects=20 from docx to odt; therefore its preferable the direct route markdown -->=20 odt.=20 But my test shows that what Pandoc's generate is not understood as spaces by LibreOffice. Here I reproduce the manual aboout conversion by LibreOffice from docx to= =20 odt=20 (pag 42), that confirms the restrictions from docx to odt. Microsoft file formats The options in Tools > Options > Load/Save > Microsoft Office [in=20 LibreOffice] control how the import and export of Microsoft Office file formats is= =20 carried out in regard to formulas. Loading If [L] is checked, LibreOffice converts Microsoft formulas into native format when a document is loaded. This is possible if the formulas were created with MathType 4 (up to version 3.1) or with the Microsoft Equation Editor. The latter is a reduced, older version of MathType licensed by Microsoft and included in the Microsoft Office package. Formulas created by newer versions of MathType or by the new Microsoft formula editor =E2=80=9COMML 5 Equation Editor=E2=80=9D (Microsoft Offi= ce Suite 2010 and to some extent 2007) cannot be converted. If a document created in Microsoft Office 2010 and containing an OMML formula is saved into a .doc file format, Microsoft Office converts the formula into a graphic. Only this graphic is then accessible to LibreOffice. If you load a .docx document that contains OMML formulas, these fail in conversion whether [L] is checked or not. Inside Microsoft Office, formulas created with MathType or Microsoft Equation Editor are treated as OLE objects. If [L] is not checked, LibreOffice maintains this. Double-clicking on the object launches MathType and new formulas can be inserted using Insert > Object > OLE Object. This setup is to be recommended if you have MathType installed and wish to use it to create and edit formulas. Therefore, is preferable the direct route 'markdown --> odt' and look by=20 mechanisms to get the \qquad spaces. Its preferable to settle on math=20 expressed with TeX commands, because is a referent on the field. El viernes, 25 de noviembre de 2016, 4:35:47 (UTC-6), John MacFarlane=20 escribi=C3=B3: > > You can see how pandoc handles whitespace here (using the=20 > texmath executable from texmath):=20 > > % echo "\\qquad" | texmath -t omml=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > > It uses a "text" node with an appropriate combination of unicode=20 > whitespaces. I don't know if there's a better way to do this,=20 > but I can say that the results look fine in Word, so this may be=20 > a LibreOffice issue.=20 > > > +++ Thomas J. Duck [Nov 24 16 07:52 ]:=20 > > Hi there,=20 > > Pandoc seems to ignore math whitespace commands when the output forma= t=20 > > is docx (as viewed with LibreOffice 5.2.3.3). For example, the \qqua= d=20 > > in the following equation is ignored:=20 > > $$ y =3D mx + b \qquad (1) $$=20 > > It works for LaTeX and html output.=20 > > This is a simple example: Whitespace is used for many purposes in=20 > > writing equations.=20 > > Is this a bug, or am I missing something? Is there a workaround?=20 > > Thanks,=20 > > Tom=20 > >=20 > > --=20 > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google=20 > > Groups "pandoc-discuss" group.=20 > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, sen= d=20 > > an email to [1]pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org .=20 > > To post to this group, send email to=20 > > [2]pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org .=20 > > To view this discussion on the web visit=20 > > [3] > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/417644b0-297f-42de-=20 > > 9678-f622120644b4%40googlegroups.com.=20 > > For more options, visit [4]https://groups.google.com/d/optout.=20 > >=20 > >References=20 > >=20 > > 1. mailto:pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org = =20 > > 2. mailto:pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org =20 > > 3.=20 > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/417644b0-297f-42de-9678-= f622120644b4-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org?utm_medium=3Demail&utm_source=3Dfooter=20 > > 4. https://groups.google.com/d/optout=20 > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pandoc-discuss" group. 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I made some tests that I wish to share with the group.
=
This is the ecuation in docx as readed by LibreOffice:

=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 {y =3Dm x +b=C2=A0 none=C2=A0 none=C2=A0 \( 1=C2=A0 \)}
You can observe that LibreOffice can't interprete the quad spaces and = translates
it as 'none'.

The same equation generated by = Pandoc from markdown to odt, lacks the space.
If made directly with the= LibreOffice suite, its equation editor provides a tilde
'~' ch= aracter with provides a 'large space' according to LibreOffice Math= Guide.
It is necessary to use four tildes to equal the space of an quad= as viewed in
MS Office. For a qquad are necesary 8 tildes ('~~~~~~= ~~') to represent that
space. Thats is explained in the following t= ext:


=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 From Math-guide (pag 38):

=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 Space at the end of a formula

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The gr= ave accent ` inserts a small additional space into the formula; the
=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 tilde ~ inserts a larger one. In the basic installation, th= ese symbols are
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ignored when they occur at the end o= f a formula. However, when working with
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 running text,= it may be necessary to include spacing at the end of formulas
=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 as well. This customization is only available when you are wor= king with a
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Math document, and not when you are embe= dding a Math object.

The next code is an export of LibreOffice Math = as MathML 1.01, of the
equation written in LibreOffice:

=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 ~~~
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <?xml version=3D"1.0" e= ncoding=3D"UTF-8"?>

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <math xmlns= =3D"http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" display=3D"block&quo= t;>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0<semantics>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 <mrow>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 <mrow>
=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <mi>y</mi>
=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <mo stretchy=3D"false">=3D</mo= >
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <mi>m</mi>
=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 </mrow>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2= =A0 <mrow>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <mi>x</m= i>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <mo stretchy=3D"fals= e">+</mo>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <mi>= b</mi>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 </mrow>
=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 <mspace width=3D"16em"/>
=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 <mo stretchy=3D"false">(</mo&g= t;
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 <mn>1</mn>
=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 <mo stretchy=3D"false">)</mo><= br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 </mrow>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <= ;annotation encoding=3D"StarMath 5.0">{y =3D m x + b ~~~~~~~~ = \(=C2=A0 1=C2=A0 \)}</annotation>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0</se= mantics>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </math>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ~~~
I verified with
[Wolfram Research](http://www.mathmlcentral.com/T= ools/ValidateMathML.jsp)
and reports that "The input is valid Math= ML".


Pandoc's manual states (p46, pdf):

=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 Docx It will be rendered using OMML math markup.

=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 RTF, OpenDocument, ODT It will be rendered, if possible, using= unicode
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 characters, and will otherwise appear verbatim.

LibreOffice MathGuide informs that are some limitations convertin= g math objects
from docx to odt; therefore its preferable the direct ro= ute markdown --> odt.
But my test shows that what Pandoc's gener= ate is not understood as spaces
=C2=A0by LibreOffice.

Here I repr= oduce the manual aboout conversion by LibreOffice from docx to odt
(pag= 42), that confirms the restrictions from docx to odt.

=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 Microsoft file formats

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The options in Tool= s > Options > Load/Save > Microsoft Office [in LibreOffice]
=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 control how the import and export of Microsoft Office file = formats is
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 carried out in regard to formulas.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Loading

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 If [L] is checked, Li= breOffice converts Microsoft formulas into native
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 for= mat when a document is loaded. This is possible if the formulas
=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 were created with MathType 4 (up to version 3.1) or with the M= icrosoft
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Equation Editor. The latter is a reduced, ol= der version of MathType
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 licensed by Microsoft and inc= luded in the Microsoft Office package.

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Formulas c= reated by newer versions of MathType or by the new Microsoft
=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 formula editor =E2=80=9COMML 5 Equation Editor=E2=80=9D (Microsof= t Office Suite 2010
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 and to some extent 2007) cannot b= e converted.

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 If a document created in Microsoft O= ffice 2010 and containing an OMML
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 formula is saved in= to a .doc file format, Microsoft Office converts
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 the = formula into a graphic. Only this graphic is then accessible to
=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 LibreOffice.

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 If you load a .docx doc= ument that contains OMML formulas, these fail
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 in conv= ersion whether [L] is checked or not.

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Inside Micr= osoft Office, formulas created with MathType or Microsoft
=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 Equation Editor are treated as OLE objects. If [L] is not checked,=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 LibreOffice maintains this. Double-clicking on the obj= ect launches
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 MathType and new formulas can be inserte= d using Insert > Object > OLE
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Object. This setu= p is to be recommended if you have MathType installed
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= and wish to use it to create and edit formulas.

Therefore, is prefe= rable the direct route 'markdown --> odt' and look by
mechan= isms to get the \qquad spaces. Its preferable to settle on math
express= ed with TeX commands, because is a referent on the field.


El vie= rnes, 25 de noviembre de 2016, 4:35:47 (UTC-6), John MacFarlane escribi=C3= =B3:
You can see how pandoc han= dles whitespace here (using the
texmath executable from texmath):

% echo "\\qquad" | texmath -t omml
<m:oMathPara>
=C2=A0 <m:oMathParaPr>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <m:jc m:val=3D"center" />
=C2=A0 </m:oMathParaPr>
=C2=A0 <m:oMath>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <m:r>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <m:t>=E2=80=81=E2=80=81</m:t>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 </m:r>
=C2=A0 </m:oMath>
</m:oMathPara>

It uses a "text" node with an appropriate combination of unic= ode
whitespaces. =C2=A0I don't know if there's a better way to do t= his,
but I can say that the results look fine in Word, so this may be
a LibreOffice issue.


+++ Thomas J. Duck [Nov 24 16 07:52 ]:
> =C2=A0 Hi there,
> =C2=A0 Pandoc seems to ignore math whitespace commands when the ou= tput format
> =C2=A0 is docx (as viewed with LibreOffice 5.2.3.3). =C2=A0For exa= mple, the \qquad
> =C2=A0 in the following equation is ignored:
> =C2=A0 $$ y =3D mx + b \qquad (1) $$
> =C2=A0 It works for LaTeX and html output.
> =C2=A0 This is a simple example: Whitespace is used for many purpo= ses in
> =C2=A0 writing equations.
> =C2=A0 Is this a bug, or am I missing something? =C2=A0Is there a = workaround?
> =C2=A0 Thanks,
> =C2=A0 Tom
>
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