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Put the cursor on any of the bullet points, and you see that the bullet text is all 32pt. However, if you now type a single character, all bullet points change instantly from 32pt to 22pt. This has to be a bug somewhere... > pandoc --reference-doc ~/.pandoc/templates/default.pptx -s -t pptx bullet-points.md -o bullet-points.pptx and --- title: "test bullets" author: "me" --- # Simple Slide * 1 bullet * 2 bullets * 3 bullets * 4 bullets * 5 bullets * 6 bullets * 7 bullets * 8 bullets * 9 bullets # Another slide On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 6:31:25 PM UTC-8 John MacFarlane wrote: > > I just tried it, and I got eight bullets on the screen. > Font size seems to be around 24pt. I think Powerpoint > scaled it automatically when I changed the aspect ratio. > > "ivo....-xwz7R8GQi1g@public.gmane.org" writes: > > > apologies for all the comments. I am guessing that the 16:9 format is > > useful only if you / one can also change the defaults for the PowerPoint > > font sizes. > > > > on PowerPoint macos, the default 16:9 font size for first-level bullet > > points seems to be Calibri 28pt. This means the default vanilla > > presentation has 8-9 lines of bullet points. > > > > on pandoc, the output default font-size for first-level bullet points is > > Calibri 32pt. > > > > - in 4:3, pandoc thus also has about 8-9 lines of bullet points; > > - in 169, the font remains the same 32pt, which now means only 6-7 lines > > of bullet points. > > > > 6-7 lines is too few IMHO. Ergo, 16:9 output should go with slightly > > smaller fonts. For reference, the powerpoint defaults that I am getting > are > > > > - title: 60pt > > - subtitle: 24pt > > - header title: 44pt, Light > > - body points, level 1: 28pt > > - body points, level 2: 24pt > > > > regards, /iaw > > > > > > On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 2:01:21 PM UTC-8 ivo....-xwz7R8GQi1g@public.gmane.org wrote: > > > >> > >> I tried to change the default font size in the default (reference) > pptx, > >> but pandoc did not pick this one up. :-( > >> > >> > >> On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 1:37:39 PM UTC-8 ivo....-xwz7R8GQi1g@public.gmane.org wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> mille grazie. > >>> > >>> given that powerpoint itself has moved to 16:9, I think it would > probably > >>> be a better default. > >>> > >>> the template trick is supercool. I had not realized this. I will try > to > >>> stick a modified version into my .pandoc/templates folder. Is there a > >>> standard name (like default.pptx) that pandoc picks up? > >>> > >>> > >>> On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 11:44:45 AM UTC-8 John MacFarlane > wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> You can change this by using a reference-doc. > >>>> > >>>> pandoc --print-default-data-file reference.pptx > reference.pptx > >>>> > >>>> Now open reference.pptx with Powerpoint. > >>>> > >>>> Go to Page Setup and change the aspect ratio. > >>>> > >>>> Save. > >>>> > >>>> Now use > >>>> > >>>> pandoc --reference-doc reference.pptx input.md -o output.pptx > >>>> > >>>> Maybe we should change the default to 16:9. 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I just found out by experimentation in macos PowerPoint= 16.56 (2021, Microsoft 365 subscription) something really strange.

Put the cursor on any of the bullet points, and you see t= hat the bullet text is all 32pt.

However, if you n= ow type a single character, all bullet points change instantly from 32pt to= 22pt.

This has to be a bug somewhere...

> pandoc --reference-doc ~/.pandoc/templates/def= ault.pptx -s -t pptx bullet-points.md -o bullet-points.pptx

<= /div>
and

---
title: "test bullets"
author: "me"
---<= br>
# Simple Slide

* 1 bullet
* 2 bullets
* 3 bullets
* = 4 bullets
* 5 bullets
* 6 bullets
* 7 bullets
* 8 bullets
* = 9 bullets

# Another slide

On Sunday, Januar= y 2, 2022 at 6:31:25 PM UTC-8 John MacFarlane wrote:

I just tried it, and I got eight bullets on the screen.
Font size seems to be around 24pt. I think Powerpoint
scaled it automatically when I changed the aspect ratio.

"ivo....-xwz7R8GQi1g@public.gmane.org&q= uot; <ivo....-xwz7R8GQi1g@public.gmane.org>= ; writes:

> apologies for all the comments. I am guessing that the 16:9 forma= t is=20
> useful only if you / one can also change the defaults for the Powe= rPoint=20
> font sizes.
>
> on PowerPoint macos, the default 16:9 font size for first-level bu= llet=20
> points seems to be Calibri 28pt. This means the default vanilla= =20
> presentation has 8-9 lines of bullet points.
>
> on pandoc, the output default font-size for first-level bullet poi= nts is=20
> Calibri 32pt.
>
> - in 4:3, pandoc thus also has about 8-9 lines of bullet points;
> - in 169, the font remains the same 32pt, which now means only 6= -7 lines=20
> of bullet points.
>
> 6-7 lines is too few IMHO. Ergo, 16:9 output should go with sligh= tly=20
> smaller fonts. For reference, the powerpoint defaults that I am g= etting are
>
> - title: 60pt
> - subtitle: 24pt
> - header title: 44pt, Light
> - body points, level 1: 28pt
> - body points, level 2: 24pt
>
> regards, /iaw
>
>
> On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 2:01:21 PM UTC-8 ivo....-xwz7R8GQi1g@public.gmane.org wrote:
>
>>
>> I tried to change the default font size in the default (refere= nce) pptx,=20
>> but pandoc did not pick this one up. :-(
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 1:37:39 PM UTC-8 ivo....-xwz7R8GQi1g@public.gmane.org wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> mille grazie.
>>>
>>> given that powerpoint itself has moved to 16:9, I think it= would probably=20
>>> be a better default.
>>>
>>> the template trick is supercool. I had not realized this.= I will try to=20
>>> stick a modified version into my .pandoc/templates folder.= Is there a=20
>>> standard name (like default.pptx) that pandoc picks up?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 11:44:45 AM UTC-8 John M= acFarlane wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> You can change this by using a reference-doc.=20
>>>>
>>>> pandoc --print-default-data-file reference.pptx > r= eference.pptx=20
>>>>
>>>> Now open reference.pptx with Powerpoint.=20
>>>>
>>>> Go to Page Setup and change the aspect ratio.=20
>>>>
>>>> Save.=20
>>>>
>>>> Now use=20
>>>>
>>>> pandoc --reference-doc reference.pptx input.md -o outp= ut.pptx=20
>>>>
>>>> Maybe we should change the default to 16:9. Comments w= elcome on=20
>>>> this.=20
>>>>
>>>
>
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