Math without span tags around it

Math without span tags around it

[Ezequiel]

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Hello! I noticed pandoc outputs math content as "<span class="math inline"> 
... </span>", where "..." as far as I've tried is perfectly fine and much 
less verbose. Is there an option to output HTML without these tags? As I'm 
not planning to style the classes math, inline or display, the tags are 
prescindible.

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Re: Math without span tags around it

[John MacFarlane]

No.  But those tags shouldn't do any harm.

+++ Ezequiel [Nov 20 16 13:35 ]:
>   Hello! I noticed pandoc outputs math content as "<span class="math
>   inline"> ... </span>", where "..." as far as I've tried is perfectly
>   fine and much less verbose. Is there an option to output HTML without
>   these tags? As I'm not planning to style the classes math, inline or
>   display, the tags are prescindible.
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Re: Math without span tags around it

[Ezequiel]

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Thank you as always for your prompt reply, John. No harm indeed, though I'd 
say there are benefits, in the form of a cleaner source code, less 
bandwidth consumption and hence a slightly smaller footprint on our planet. 
In any event, all these benefits sound like a joke considering an average 
web page today, as well as some news on the environmental front. Thanks 
again.

On Sunday, November 20, 2016 at 11:02:36 PM UTC+1, John MacFarlane wrote:
>
> No.  But those tags shouldn't do any harm. 
>
> +++ Ezequiel [Nov 20 16 13:35 ]: 
> >   Hello! I noticed pandoc outputs math content as "<span class="math 
> >   inline"> ... </span>", where "..." as far as I've tried is perfectly 
> >   fine and much less verbose. Is there an option to output HTML without 
> >   these tags? As I'm not planning to style the classes math, inline or 
> >   display, the tags are prescindible. 
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Re: Math without span tags around it

[John MacFarlane]

You can always postprocess the HTML and filter these out if
it's important to you...

+++ Ezequiel [Nov 20 16 14:26 ]:
>   Thank you as always for your prompt reply, John. No harm indeed, though
>   I'd say there are benefits, in the form of a cleaner source code, less
>   bandwidth consumption and hence a slightly smaller footprint on our
>   planet. In any event, all these benefits sound like a joke considering
>   an average web page today, as well as some news on the environmental
>   front. Thanks again.
>   On Sunday, November 20, 2016 at 11:02:36 PM UTC+1, John MacFarlane
>   wrote:
>
>     No.  But those tags shouldn't do any harm.
>     +++ Ezequiel [Nov 20 16 13:35 ]:
>     >   Hello! I noticed pandoc outputs math content as "<span
>     class="math
>     >   inline"> ... </span>", where "..." as far as I've tried is
>     perfectly
>     >   fine and much less verbose. Is there an option to output HTML
>     without
>     >   these tags? As I'm not planning to style the classes math,
>     inline or
>     >   display, the tags are prescindible.
>     >
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Re: Math without span tags around it

[Kolen Cheung]

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Note that

   1. typically when a server is setup correctly, the webpages are 
   delivered with gzip. You should wrote some test and profile first and see 
   how much bandwidth is going to be saved *after* gzip. Chances are, 
   negligible since the same pattern is repeated. 
   2. *with* the span, the source code is *cleaner*, since it is more 
   semantic. If *clean* means as short as possible without being semantic, 
   there are aggressive HTML5 compressor that removes a lot of things for 
   semantic only but otherwise resulted in correctly rendered document. But, 
   there seems to have a debate here, since semantically incorrect webpages 
   *might* take more time (and/or computational power) to render, 
   especially on smartphone. If it is true, it means you are choosing between 
   data rate *or* battery life (and time), not both. Together with the last 
   point about gzip, the advantage probably aren’t enough to justify it. 
   3. this comes after the last point: accessibility. I don’t know enough 
   to say anything definite though. If it is your purpose that want to clean 
   HTML heavily, you should research about accessibility first. I think 
   equality is more important than being *a bit* more environmentally 
   friendly (and then there’s a question what kind of environmental benefits 
   you are looking at exactly?). 

To conclude, I suggest you to profile it after gzip first.

On Sunday, November 20, 2016 at 2:26:09 PM UTC-8, Ezequiel wrote:

Thank you as always for your prompt reply, John. No harm indeed, though I'd 
> say there are benefits, in the form of a cleaner source code, less 
> bandwidth consumption and hence a slightly smaller footprint on our planet. 
> In any event, all these benefits sound like a joke considering an average 
> web page today, as well as some news on the environmental front. Thanks 
> again.
>
> On Sunday, November 20, 2016 at 11:02:36 PM UTC+1, John MacFarlane wrote:
>>
>> No.  But those tags shouldn't do any harm. 
>>
>> +++ Ezequiel [Nov 20 16 13:35 ]: 
>> >   Hello! I noticed pandoc outputs math content as "<span class="math 
>> >   inline"> ... </span>", where "..." as far as I've tried is perfectly 
>> >   fine and much less verbose. Is there an option to output HTML without 
>> >   these tags? As I'm not planning to style the classes math, inline or 
>> >   display, the tags are prescindible. 
>> > 
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>> >   a64c-b39f014f5a02%40googlegroups.com. 
>> >   For more options, visit [4]https://groups.google.com/d/optout. 
>> > 
>> >References 
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>> >   1. mailto:pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org 
>> >   2. mailto:pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org 
>> >   3. 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/2f1217f1-71da-445c-a64c-b39f014f5a02-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer 
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>>
>> ​

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Re: Math without span tags around it

[Kolen Cheung]

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Just to add one small note: if your website contains any amount of images, 
the amount of saving you could do to image without having significantly 
worse/discernible result is those media. One tool I’ve used that is 
excellent to reduce image size is imageoptim-cli (note the cli there, 
imageoptim is something else, but used in imageoptim-cli), mac only though. 
It uses most open source algorithm the authors can find and process each 
image by all of them, and in the end the smallest wins.

And then there’s vector vs rasterized image; in the case of rasterized 
image, image dimension (how much is enough? do you target “retina” 
display?); format (png can be better than jpg, and vice versa in different 
situation); etc. And then there’s javascript and css delivery, and if you 
use popular one, you should use cdn rather than hosting by yourself.

And probably you know about js and css compression? There’s lots of them 
out there, again, can give you much more significant reduction in size then 
in HTML. From my experience, I don’t worry about HTML compression (size 
reduction) after seeing how little effect it has, comparing to the others 
I’ve mentioned.

In short, again, profiling is very important, and remember to compare 
results *after* gzip. On Sunday, November 20, 2016 at 2:26:09 PM UTC-8, 
Ezequiel wrote:

Thank you as always for your prompt reply, John. No harm indeed, though I'd 
> say there are benefits, in the form of a cleaner source code, less 
> bandwidth consumption and hence a slightly smaller footprint on our planet. 
> In any event, all these benefits sound like a joke considering an average 
> web page today, as well as some news on the environmental front. Thanks 
> again.
>
> On Sunday, November 20, 2016 at 11:02:36 PM UTC+1, John MacFarlane wrote:
>>
>> No.  But those tags shouldn't do any harm. 
>>
>> +++ Ezequiel [Nov 20 16 13:35 ]: 
>> >   Hello! I noticed pandoc outputs math content as "<span class="math 
>> >   inline"> ... </span>", where "..." as far as I've tried is perfectly 
>> >   fine and much less verbose. Is there an option to output HTML without 
>> >   these tags? As I'm not planning to style the classes math, inline or 
>> >   display, the tags are prescindible. 
>> > 
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