On Saturday, 26 June 2021 at 09:18:47 UTC+3 gnpan wrote:
This problem was introduced with citeproc, which applies the style to the whole document, not just citations - it didn't occur with older versions of pandoc that used pandoc-citeproc. According to Jim, it would be tricky to fix this without causing problems with note citations.
On 6/25/2021 13:47, gnpan wrote:
> This is a csl locale issue, US is default. You can try --metadata
> lang=en-GB as suggested here
> <https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues/7005> or add a zero-width-space as
> mentioned here
> <https://groups.google.com/g/pandoc-discuss/c/NiFPVF9TeCg/m/9pHluL3iAgAJ>.
>
>
> On Friday, 25 June 2021 at 14:38:07 UTC+3 William Lupton wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> It seems that adding --citeproc causes a question mark to be brought
> within quotes, which I didn't expect. I tried escaping it but this
> didn't make any difference. Putting a space before it avoids the
> behaviour... but I don't want a space!
>
> Thanks,
> William
>
> % pandoc -v
> pandoc 2.14.0.3
>
> % cat question.md
> '-'?
>
> % pandoc question.md
> <p>‘-’?</p>
>
> % pandoc --citeproc question.md
> <p>‘-?’</p>
>
US practice is to put commas and stops inside the quotation marks of a
quotation and larger punctuation (?!;:) outside, except in the case that
the large punctuation is part of the quoted material (“Who, me?”). So,
US practice supports both.
Similarly, British (or UK, or GB) practice places marks in a default
position (outside) but allows them inside based on the semantic content.
If CSL US locale processing is mangling this by moving both large and
small marks in every case, then CSL processing is creating some new
standard. I would suggest that if the proper position cannot be
programmatically determined it should default to what the writer writes.
Quotation marks are used for other things than quotations. Indeed,
the use in citation processing is such another use. Again the writer
must be trusted to place punctuation properly in context. A.J. Liebling
wrote ‘Do You Belong in Journalism?’ in 1960; did he write it in his
regular column ‘The Wayward Press’?
The behavior identified here takes place outside of citation
processing. The OP is rightly surprised that it results in changes
beyond that scope.
--
Rik