* Question about omitting brackets in citation format @ 2021-09-24 14:16 Joseph Johnson [not found] ` <4910c58b-3d87-4783-a878-cc52191475a2n-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Joseph Johnson @ 2021-09-24 14:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: pandoc-discuss [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1797 bytes --] Good morning, First of all, I want to say thank you to John MacFarlane and to everyone who works on Pandoc. It is a truly wonderful tool. If you have the chance, I'd be grateful for your advice about a citation format question. I've only just recently learned that in addition to the format *[@citekey, pagenum]*, it is possible to omit the surrounding brackets, thus preventing parentheses from being inserted in citations within footnotes. If I understand correctly, following the examples in the User's Guide, it should be possible to write something in a footnote like "For more information, see *@citekey [pagenum],*" yielding the correct reference in the footnote without enclosing it in parentheses. However, whenever I attempt this, the page number remains within brackets in the outputted file. For example, using the Chicago style and citing page 25, the result would be: "For more information, see *Author, Title (Place: Publisher, Year) [25]*." This seems to suggest that the page number is not actually being associated with the citation, and that it is just being outputted verbatim. The behavior is consistent when using different CSL stylesheets like MLA, on both macOS and Linux, using two different versions of Pandoc. I assume that I've misunderstood something, and would be grateful for advice. Many thanks for your time, and all my best, Joe -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/4910c58b-3d87-4783-a878-cc52191475a2n%40googlegroups.com. [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 2239 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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* Re: Question about omitting brackets in citation format [not found] ` <4910c58b-3d87-4783-a878-cc52191475a2n-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> @ 2021-09-24 16:08 ` John MacFarlane [not found] ` <m2fstu0xdk.fsf-d8241O7hbXoP5tpWdHSM3tPlBySK3R6THiGdP5j34PU@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: John MacFarlane @ 2021-09-24 16:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Joseph Johnson, pandoc-discuss The feature works fine for me, so I'm not sure what is going on in your case. One possibility is that this is just the way your style formats page numbers (but that's unlikely). If you create a zip with everything needed to reproduce this (input file, csl, bibliography, and exact command used) then we can take a look. Joseph Johnson <jj892-eicrhRFjby6OECnbzgFItQ@public.gmane.org> writes: > Good morning, > > First of all, I want to say thank you to John MacFarlane and to everyone > who works on Pandoc. It is a truly wonderful tool. > > If you have the chance, I'd be grateful for your advice about a citation > format question. I've only just recently learned that in addition to the > format *[@citekey, pagenum]*, it is possible to omit the surrounding > brackets, thus preventing parentheses from being inserted in citations > within footnotes. If I understand correctly, following the examples in the > User's Guide, it should be possible to write something in a footnote like > "For more information, see *@citekey [pagenum],*" yielding the correct > reference in the footnote without enclosing it in parentheses. > > However, whenever I attempt this, the page number remains within brackets > in the outputted file. For example, using the Chicago style and citing page > 25, the result would be: "For more information, see *Author, Title (Place: > Publisher, Year) [25]*." This seems to suggest that the page number is not > actually being associated with the citation, and that it is just being > outputted verbatim. > > The behavior is consistent when using different CSL stylesheets like MLA, > on both macOS and Linux, using two different versions of Pandoc. I assume > that I've misunderstood something, and would be grateful for advice. > > Many thanks for your time, and all my best, > Joe > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/4910c58b-3d87-4783-a878-cc52191475a2n%40googlegroups.com. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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* Re: Question about omitting brackets in citation format [not found] ` <m2fstu0xdk.fsf-d8241O7hbXoP5tpWdHSM3tPlBySK3R6THiGdP5j34PU@public.gmane.org> @ 2021-09-24 16:19 ` Bastien DUMONT 2021-09-24 16:47 ` Joseph Johnson 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Bastien DUMONT @ 2021-09-24 16:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw Just in case, do you type "@citekey [25]" or "@citekey [p. 25]"? Le Friday 24 September 2021 à 09:08:39AM, John MacFarlane a écrit : > > The feature works fine for me, so I'm not sure what is going > on in your case. One possibility is that this is just the > way your style formats page numbers (but that's unlikely). > > If you create a zip with everything needed to reproduce this > (input file, csl, bibliography, and exact command used) then > we can take a look. > > Joseph Johnson <jj892-eicrhRFjby6OECnbzgFItQ@public.gmane.org> writes: > > > Good morning, > > > > First of all, I want to say thank you to John MacFarlane and to everyone > > who works on Pandoc. It is a truly wonderful tool. > > > > If you have the chance, I'd be grateful for your advice about a citation > > format question. I've only just recently learned that in addition to the > > format *[@citekey, pagenum]*, it is possible to omit the surrounding > > brackets, thus preventing parentheses from being inserted in citations > > within footnotes. If I understand correctly, following the examples in the > > User's Guide, it should be possible to write something in a footnote like > > "For more information, see *@citekey [pagenum],*" yielding the correct > > reference in the footnote without enclosing it in parentheses. > > > > However, whenever I attempt this, the page number remains within brackets > > in the outputted file. For example, using the Chicago style and citing page > > 25, the result would be: "For more information, see *Author, Title (Place: > > Publisher, Year) [25]*." This seems to suggest that the page number is not > > actually being associated with the citation, and that it is just being > > outputted verbatim. > > > > The behavior is consistent when using different CSL stylesheets like MLA, > > on both macOS and Linux, using two different versions of Pandoc. I assume > > that I've misunderstood something, and would be grateful for advice. > > > > Many thanks for your time, and all my best, > > Joe > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/4910c58b-3d87-4783-a878-cc52191475a2n%40googlegroups.com. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/m2fstu0xdk.fsf%40Johns-Air.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/YU36jM7PNy0kBQdQ%40localhost. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: Question about omitting brackets in citation format 2021-09-24 16:19 ` Bastien DUMONT @ 2021-09-24 16:47 ` Joseph Johnson [not found] ` <CAGurDyAboRmdxSjnBg34vf=Gmry_oT4s7TMzKxg9qr=Y_FYOPg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Joseph Johnson @ 2021-09-24 16:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 4813 bytes --] Dear all, Thank you both so much for the replies. I've included a zip file here that contains all the necessary files to show the behavior. I tried it both as [25] and [p. 25], but the results were identical (this example shows p. 25). The file command.txt shows the command I used to produce the docx file output. Could it have something to do with the org-mode conversion? I also noticed that the suppress-bibliography option didn't work for me this time, but it has in the past. Many thanks again for your help, Joe On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 12:20 PM Bastien DUMONT <bastien.dumont-VwIFZPTo/vqsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> wrote: > Just in case, do you type "@citekey [25]" or "@citekey [p. 25]"? > > Le Friday 24 September 2021 à 09:08:39AM, John MacFarlane a écrit : > > > > The feature works fine for me, so I'm not sure what is going > > on in your case. One possibility is that this is just the > > way your style formats page numbers (but that's unlikely). > > > > If you create a zip with everything needed to reproduce this > > (input file, csl, bibliography, and exact command used) then > > we can take a look. > > > > Joseph Johnson <jj892-eicrhRFjby6OECnbzgFItQ@public.gmane.org> writes: > > > > > Good morning, > > > > > > First of all, I want to say thank you to John MacFarlane and to > everyone > > > who works on Pandoc. It is a truly wonderful tool. > > > > > > If you have the chance, I'd be grateful for your advice about a > citation > > > format question. I've only just recently learned that in addition to > the > > > format *[@citekey, pagenum]*, it is possible to omit the surrounding > > > brackets, thus preventing parentheses from being inserted in citations > > > within footnotes. If I understand correctly, following the examples in > the > > > User's Guide, it should be possible to write something in a footnote > like > > > "For more information, see *@citekey [pagenum],*" yielding the correct > > > reference in the footnote without enclosing it in parentheses. > > > > > > However, whenever I attempt this, the page number remains within > brackets > > > in the outputted file. For example, using the Chicago style and citing > page > > > 25, the result would be: "For more information, see *Author, Title > (Place: > > > Publisher, Year) [25]*." This seems to suggest that the page number is > not > > > actually being associated with the citation, and that it is just being > > > outputted verbatim. > > > > > > The behavior is consistent when using different CSL stylesheets like > MLA, > > > on both macOS and Linux, using two different versions of Pandoc. I > assume > > > that I've misunderstood something, and would be grateful for advice. > > > > > > Many thanks for your time, and all my best, > > > Joe > > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. > > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/4910c58b-3d87-4783-a878-cc52191475a2n%40googlegroups.com > . > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/m2fstu0xdk.fsf%40Johns-Air.hsd1.ca.comcast.net > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/pandoc-discuss/RjqtAwBCXgU/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/YU36jM7PNy0kBQdQ%40localhost > . > -- Dr. Joseph R. Johnson Assistant Professor of French and Francophone Studies Georgetown University josephrjohnson.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/CAGurDyAboRmdxSjnBg34vf%3DGmry_oT4s7TMzKxg9qr%3DY_FYOPg%40mail.gmail.com. [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 7028 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: citation-question-pandoc.zip --] [-- Type: application/zip, Size: 19095 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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* Re: Question about omitting brackets in citation format [not found] ` <CAGurDyAboRmdxSjnBg34vf=Gmry_oT4s7TMzKxg9qr=Y_FYOPg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> @ 2021-09-24 18:47 ` John MacFarlane [not found] ` <m21r5d24ld.fsf-d8241O7hbXoP5tpWdHSM3tPlBySK3R6THiGdP5j34PU@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: John MacFarlane @ 2021-09-24 18:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Joseph Johnson, pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw Oh, I was assuming you were converting from markdown. Yes, if you're going from org, it may be a limitation of that. See https://pandoc.org/org.html on the citation syntax currently supported. It may be that we can easily add support for this to org, but I'm not the one who maintains the org reader, and I'm also not up on the latest discussions of citations in org... Joseph Johnson <jj892-eicrhRFjby6OECnbzgFItQ@public.gmane.org> writes: > Dear all, > > Thank you both so much for the replies. I've included a zip file here that > contains all the necessary files to show the behavior. I tried it both as > [25] and [p. 25], but the results were identical (this example shows p. > 25). The file command.txt shows the command I used to produce the docx file > output. > > Could it have something to do with the org-mode conversion? I also noticed > that the suppress-bibliography option didn't work for me this time, but it > has in the past. > > Many thanks again for your help, > Joe ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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* Re: Question about omitting brackets in citation format [not found] ` <m21r5d24ld.fsf-d8241O7hbXoP5tpWdHSM3tPlBySK3R6THiGdP5j34PU@public.gmane.org> @ 2021-09-24 20:06 ` Joseph Johnson 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Joseph Johnson @ 2021-09-24 20:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: John MacFarlane; +Cc: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1901 bytes --] Ah, that's good to know -- thank you. The support for org-mode is so good in general that sometimes I find myself expecting it *all* to work. Thank you again for your work on Pandoc. All my best, Joe On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 2:47 PM John MacFarlane <jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > Oh, I was assuming you were converting from markdown. > Yes, if you're going from org, it may be a limitation of that. > > See https://pandoc.org/org.html on the citation syntax currently > supported. > > It may be that we can easily add support for this to org, > but I'm not the one who maintains the org reader, and I'm > also not up on the latest discussions of citations in org... > > Joseph Johnson <jj892-eicrhRFjby6OECnbzgFItQ@public.gmane.org> writes: > > > Dear all, > > > > Thank you both so much for the replies. I've included a zip file here > that > > contains all the necessary files to show the behavior. I tried it both as > > [25] and [p. 25], but the results were identical (this example shows p. > > 25). The file command.txt shows the command I used to produce the docx > file > > output. > > > > Could it have something to do with the org-mode conversion? I also > noticed > > that the suppress-bibliography option didn't work for me this time, but > it > > has in the past. > > > > Many thanks again for your help, > > Joe > -- Dr. Joseph R. Johnson Assistant Professor of French and Francophone Studies Georgetown University josephrjohnson.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/CAGurDyByis-PZT0mdTZisCBKSK3PppM1PWcjEps_4WrtdcpN3A%40mail.gmail.com. [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 3119 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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