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Original-Received: from 80-219-160-185.dclient.hispeed.ch ([80.219.160.185] helo=vroomfondel.local) by lvps178-77-97-180.dedicated.hosteurope.de with esmtpsa (SSL3.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PKpjk-0002ZT-9M for pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 11:04:32 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 In-Reply-To: <20101123063011.GD8500-nFAEphtLEs+AA6luYCgp0U1S2cYJDpTV9nwVQlTi/Pw@public.gmane.org> X-Original-Sender: xabbu-8UOIJiGH10pyDzI6CaY1VQ@public.gmane.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 178.77.97.180 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of xabbu-8UOIJiGH10pyDzI6CaY1VQ@public.gmane.org) smtp.mail=xabbu-8UOIJiGH10pyDzI6CaY1VQ@public.gmane.org Precedence: list Mailing-list: list pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org; contact pandoc-discuss+owners-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Original-Sender: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.text.pandoc:507 Archived-At: On 23.11.10 07:30, John MacFarlane wrote: > +++ Andrea Rossato [Nov 23 10 00:21 ]: >> On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 11:32:29AM -0800, John MacFarlane wrote: >> >> What about parsing the markdown text for the reference field, if >> present read the source file with the bibliographic data and then >> parse the actual markdown text? > > This could be done, but there'd be a significant performance > penalty, so I'd rather avoid it. Do you have any benchmarks for pandoc? Performance seems to be a very important concern for you, while in my usage it never was an issue. Of course I neither have large documents to parse nor use pandoc in any high-traffic web environment, but I would be interested in which region pandoc currently is and how big this penalties are compared to that. >> There would be also some specific needs for bibliographic formatting >> to be taken into account, like second field alignment or per-author >> listing. See more about it here: >> http://citationstyles.org/downloads/specification.html#id73 >> >> I must admit I didn't have yet the time to dig into those issues and >> I'd prefer to leave them for future enhancements. I think we should >> focus on getting the citation part right, first, since it involves >> syntax modification. The bibliography, instead, is a matter which does >> not affect the way documents are written. > > Yes, it seems fine to wait on refining the formatting of the > bibliography. But we ought to settle the issues above about how > a writer indicates where the bibliography goes, what its source > is, etc. For whats it worth, in my opinion the formatting of the bibliography belongs into the style, or some separate pandoc configuration, and not in the document itself. Nathan > > John >