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It is only used for resolving citations and generating= a formatted bibliography . > On Sep 21, 2022, at 08:26, Bastien DUMONT wro= te: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFSorry if it sounds a bit rude, but it seems that the problem wit= h this whole discussion is that nobody really understands what you want to = do. Could you provide a simple input file and the desired output, describin= g your use case rather than the different partial solutions you have though= t of? Then someone (not necessarily me) could advise you more effectively. >=20 >> Le Wednesday 21 September 2022 =C3=A0 12:38:52PM, A A a =C3=A9crit : >> Bastien, >>=20 >> If your goal is to convert your bibliography file into another >> bibliographic format, then you can follow this route and write a CSL >> stylesheet that outputs the desired formatting >>=20 >> My goal is actually going from markdown metadata-style bibliography to B= ibTeX/ >> BibLaTeX. The implementation already available in Pandoc is great, but I= need >> something more minimal and customizable for my purposes. I believe this = can be >> done using panflute which has [1]Metadata capabilities. >>=20 >> I=E2=80=99m quite unfamiliar with CSL, and have some doubts whether I wo= uld actually >> require it for what I=E2=80=99m trying to achieve here. I would, however= , like to >> understand the current way Pandoc does the markdown to BibLaTeX/LaTeX >> conversion, so that I can implement a similar pattern in my code. Hence = why I >> am asking questions about how Pandoc internally handles this conversion = (using >> citeproc and such). Does CSL really play a major role within this conver= sion? >>=20 >> I tried the commands you recommended, but the only difference between th= e >> output for pandoc .\bibliography.bib -t markdown -s and pandoc .\ >> bibliography.bib -t markdown-citation -s is that the first command has n= ocite: >> "[@*]" and the second command has nocite: \[@\*\]. No additional informa= tion is >> generated with markdown-citation as far as I can tell. >>=20 >> I=E2=80=99m still not sure what citeproc actually does. Furthermore I=E2= =80=99m also very >> confused as to whether CSL plays a role here or not. Any clarifications = would >> be very welcome. >>=20 >> Regards, >>=20 >> Amine >>=20 >>=20 >> On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 at 10:20, Bastien DUMONT <[2]bastien.dumont@posteo.n= et> >> wrote: >>=20 >> By default, when converting to markdown, the "citations" extension is >> enabled, so the output file is formatted as a Pandoc Markdown file to= be >> processed by citeproc, with the bibliographic data in the YAML header= but >> no formatted citations. nocite lists all the bibliographic items not >> actually cited in the document that should be included in the bibliog= raphy: >> a value of [@*] means "include all". If you wanted a formatted biblio= graphy >> in markdown, you could use: >>=20 >> pandoc pandoc .\bibliography.bib -t markdown-citations >>=20 >> (You may or may not have to add -V nocite=3D"[*@]", I have not tested= it with >> a bibliography file.) >>=20 >> If your goal is to convert your bibliography file into another >> bibliographic format, then you can follow this route and write a CSL >> stylesheet that outputs the desired formatting. In this case, convert= ing to >> "plain" (witout "-citations") would be preferable in order to avoid >> undesired wrapping in divs. >>=20 >>> Le Friday 26 August 2022 =C3=A0 07:31:39AM, A A a =C3=A9crit : >>> Dear John (or anyone else), >>>=20 >>> Would you please respond to the query below? Or perhaps point to some >> resources >>> I can use online to begin answering the question? >>>=20 >>> I've searched up and down the official pandoc reference but I really >> can't find >>> a detailed explanation as to what the `--citeproc` flag actually *does*= , >> and >>> why the `nocite` key is important in the bibliographic metadata. >>>=20 >>> Regards, >>>=20 >>> Amine >>>=20 >>> On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 at 14:42, A A <[1][3]amine.aboufirass-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> >> wrote: >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> In my case, nocite contains a value of "[@*]". Would you please >> elaborate >>> on what that means? >>> As far as I know using --citeproc or not has no impact on the fina= l >> result. >>> I tried both variants as shown below: >>>=20 >>> pandoc .\bibliography.bib -t markdown -s --citeproc >>> pandoc .\bibliography.bib -t markdown -s >>>=20 >>> I get the same output for either command. Both have a nocite of "[= @*] >> ". >>>=20 >>> On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 at 14:53, John MacFarlane [2][4] >> fiddlosopher-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org >>> wrote: >>>=20 >>> 'blocks' is for the body of the document. We store the referen= ce >> data >>> in the metadata. In this case it's all references, so no body= . >>>=20 >>> The 'nocite' entry causes all the references to be included in >> the >>> bibliography if you process this with --citeproc. We include >> that by >>> default so that you can do e.g. >>>=20 >>> pandoc my.bib -s -o my.html --citeproc >>>=20 >>> and get a formatted HTML bibliography with all the references. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> > On Jul 26, 2022, at 4:47 AM, A A <[3][5] >> amine.aboufirass-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Dear John, >>> > Indeed, I see that there is an internal representation in th= e >> form of >>> a Meta object. I made a dummy bibliography with 4 entries. Aft= er >>> converting to JSON the following structure was apparent: >>> > >>> > { >>> > "pandoc-api-version": [...], >>> > "meta": { >>> > "nocite": {...} >>> > "references": {...} =20 >>> > }, >>> > "blocks": [] >>> > } >>> > >>> > references contains a list of MetaMapswhich contain the >> recognizable >>> BibTeX data. blocks is empty and nocite contains some addition= al >> data >>> which I don=E2=80=99t understand. >>> > >>> > What is the role of nocite and blocks in this AST? >>> > >>> > Regards, >>> > >>> > Amine >>> > >>> > >>> > On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 at 18:01, John MacFarlane <[4] >>> [6]fiddlosopher-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: >>> > >>> > If you do `pandoc yourbib.bib -t native -s` then you'll see = how >>> pandoc represents bibiographies in its AST. All you need to d= o, >> then, >>> is have your custom reader create this sort of structure in th= e >>> metadata. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > On Jul 25, 2022, at 6:14 AM, A A <[5][7] >> amine.aboufirass-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> >>> wrote: >>> > > >>> > > Suppose that I would like to define my own markup format, >> something >>> that is not currently supported by pandoc. I could in theory >> write my >>> own reader and writer in Lua, making use of pandoc's AST >> elements, and >>> would then be able to convert to and from this new format to >> other >>> recognized formats. >>> > > >>> > > I'd like to know whether the same can be said of >> bibliographic >>> formats. Suppose I have a new one that I would like to bake in= to >>> pandoc. 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