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[66.111.4.25]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x127si2179130vkc.0.2020.01.02.11.49.30 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 02 Jan 2020 11:49:30 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jgabriele-97jfqw80gc6171pxa8y+qA@public.gmane.org designates 66.111.4.25 as permitted sender) client-ip=66.111.4.25; Original-Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.42]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15573220C7 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 2020 14:49:30 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from imap4 ([10.202.2.54]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 02 Jan 2020 14:49:30 -0500 X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrvdeguddgudeftdcutefuodetggdotefrod ftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfgh necuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecuogfuuhhsphgvtghtffhomhgrihhnucdlgeelmd enucfjughrpefofgggkfgjfhffhffvufgtsegrtderreerreejnecuhfhrohhmpedflfho hhhnucfirggsrhhivghlvgdfuceojhhgrggsrhhivghlvgesfhgrshhtmhgrihhlrdhfmh eqnecuffhomhgrihhnpehgohhoghhlvgdrtghomhenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhho mhepjhhgrggsrhhivghlvgesfhgrshhtmhgrihhlrdhfmhenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiii gvpedt X-ME-Proxy: Original-Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id E9C1B3C00A1; Thu, 2 Jan 2020 14:49:29 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: jgabriele-97jfqw80gc6171pxa8y+qA@public.gmane.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@fastmail.fm header.s=fm2 header.b=IzVvaUOA; dkim=pass header.i=@messagingengine.com header.s=fm1 header.b=QNKzzrf0; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jgabriele-97jfqw80gc6171pxa8y+qA@public.gmane.org designates 66.111.4.25 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jgabriele-97jfqw80gc6171pxa8y+qA@public.gmane.org; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=fastmail.fm Precedence: list Mailing-list: list pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org; contact pandoc-discuss+owners-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1007024079513 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.text.pandoc:24149 Archived-At: --abe9dfd060524f4e8db869200ea9a6d1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just realized something. The pilcrow symbol may actually be unfamiliar en= ough to many folks that they simply don't know which direction the actual p= ilcrow symbol faces. The little reversed pilcrow on the button in your scre= enshot just fooled me, actually --- I immediately thought it might indicate= some paragraph formatting tool. Choosing a "filled-in" style pilcrow could= just make many users think, "Oh, weird, why is that paragraph symbol there= ?" or "why did they choose the paragraph symbol as their logo?" In light of that, maybe the plain Vollkorn reversed pilcrow --- which is no= t filled in, and which looks more like some kind of stylized "P" --- would = actually be more readily recognizable as being meant to represent Pandoc. Regardless, I agree though that it probably still doesn't work well as an a= ctual letter "P" to use when spelling "Pandoc". Also, the open (not filled-in) variant does, as has been pointed out by oth= ers I think, slightly resemble a pi + "D", which I think John M said was ni= ce to have. -- John On Thu, Jan 2, 2020, at 1:48 PM, allefeld wrote: > Agreed, using the reversed pilcrow as a letter P is not a good idea. >=20 > For the moment I would propose that we just settle on a font so we have *= something* for a logo. >=20 > Beyond that, someone with at least some graphic design skills would be ne= eded. >=20 > For me, the motivation was that I needed something to put on a button in = an Atom package I'm developing, see attached. >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Thursday, January 2, 2020 at 10:19:40 AM UTC, mb21 wrote: >> I find the pilcrows don=E2=80=99t work very well when used to write Pand= oc without some further graphical editing. It just shows that it=E2=80=99s = not the letter P of that font. If we=E2=80=99d want to use the pilcrow as p= art of a wordmark, some qualified person will probably need to do some desi= gning.=20 >>=20 >> Speaking of which, the pandoc website could probably also use a graphica= l update. Not saying the current state of things is bad, but if we are goin= g to have an official logo, might as well do it properly, with something re= sembling a visual identify to go along with. Nothing fancy, but something c= onsistent and with proper spacing etc. that=E2=80=99s less historically gro= wn than the current website. >>=20 >> P.S. I know open source projects are known to struggle with design work = (probably because it requires skills so different to programming? I don't k= now...) As a commandline-tool/library, pandoc so far didn't have the need f= or it at all... >=20 > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s "pandoc-discuss" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send a= n email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg= id/pandoc-discuss/c3dcb843-c8c9-4ea1-8dcc-7cd742f8f746%40googlegroups.com <= https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/c3dcb843-c8c9-4ea1-8dcc-7c= d742f8f746%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=3Demail&utm_source=3Dfooter>. >=20 >=20 > *Attachments:* > * Screenshot_20200102_184810.png --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pandoc-discuss" group. 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I just realized something. The pilcrow symbol may actually be unfam= iliar enough to many folks that they simply don't know which direction the = actual pilcrow symbol faces. The little reversed pilcrow on the button in y= our screenshot just fooled me, actually --- I immediately thought it might = indicate some paragraph formatting tool. Choosing a "filled-in" style pilcr= ow could just make many users think, "Oh, weird, why is that paragraph symb= ol there?" or "why did they choose the paragraph symbol as their logo?"
=

In light of that, maybe the plain Vollkorn reversed pilcrow --- wh= ich is not filled in, and which looks more like some kind of stylized "P" -= -- would actually be more readily recognizable as being meant to represent = Pandoc.

Regardless, I agree though that it probably still doesn= 't work well as an actual letter "P" to use when spelling "Pandoc".

Also, the open (not filled-in) variant does, as has been pointed out b= y others I think, slightly resemble a pi + "D", which I think John M said w= as nice to have.

-- John




On Thu, Jan 2, 2020, at 1:48 PM, allefeld wrote:
Agr= eed, using the reversed pilcrow as a letter P is not a good idea.
=

For the moment I would propose that we just settle on a= font so we have *something* for a logo.

Beyon= d that, someone with at least some graphic design skills would be needed.

For me, the motivation was that I needed someth= ing to put on a button in an Atom package I'm developing, see attached.
=



On= Thursday, January 2, 2020 at 10:19:40 AM UTC, mb21 wrote:
I find the pilcrows don=E2=80=99t work very well when used to write P= andoc without some further graphical editing. It just shows that it=E2=80= =99s not the letter P of that font. If we=E2=80=99d want to use the pilcrow= as part of a wordmark, some qualified person will probably need to do some= designing. 

Speaking of which, the pando= c website could probably also use a graphical update. Not saying the curren= t state of things is bad, but if we are going to have an official logo, mig= ht as well do it properly, with something resembling a visual identify to g= o along with. Nothing fancy, but something consistent and with proper spaci= ng etc. that=E2=80=99s less historically grown than the current website.

P.S. I know open source projects are known to st= ruggle with design work (probably because it requires skills so different t= o programming? I don't know...) As a commandline-tool/library, pandoc so fa= r didn't have the need for it at all...
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