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[212.227.15.3]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x9si990611wiy.1.2015.08.31.11.12.18 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 31 Aug 2015 11:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of oinos-S0/GAf8tV78@public.gmane.org designates 212.227.15.3 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.15.3; Original-Received: from localhost.localdomain ([188.84.213.114]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb001) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LtX9Q-1YVkbl2oXk-010vEJ for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2015 20:12:17 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.1.0 In-Reply-To: X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:vZ+sCqAFuhm2J8kxvdZ2IRT6MEqdjF5wPvGnKneWtxneYaGyWsT TTl8QuzCYCGh1L1AD/Jv5dvpfe9wlAW8lfGLH7TEh5KGfXd7smbHKjGInL8udXksmVQ7R4k /c3a+yTa9EWQwLKTc9TChCNPBWPl2lzuXguWRVdmnBePty+sdX9s3g4T+jw6wpEmRihSrq7 IJWOv2TILd87LpPygAFgw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:ZovjYHufj0s=:Q20k3AofHofvSfua6O5dsS n0RpY2LYwyovLbRZHDhIuNOv3ixqjf30pTgZT8KHi2LuNLd/WwtFHDHaqjP6u6jp8FYo4SD+3 4PNASi7AfnEKzNv76EZkbZm8Sr5yQNW7rvtzIZffl9BMLeADxNEbB46QcdtymFB9lOx/cBHtu sm4KENZsA7ndDTwk/c1hxoAaC5SkQlaeds+msAjFczhLyfROeOFFmnVmBgk23s/caG+yJmmMD 0sFqx92BnftFKyHFJo4IOwxesdfa4GWtcMAaMW1BXdBOXL0b2bm53w2DnqS1mzxe7jVYfAUbV xwjnzjwEPM0RrrrAbHz5rpua1xGo0oNb63MPttqmj/UpMaIQRmI3rCqKS6KkF5uhh4jnlcXbM PFf1BDMY98G5oWSl+FfywJh9PPXWOxdeyrQLUkoMTyCu/zsE0HsfBUVq66K4GmihRoPVEhaP3 KJkjPqzCn+F6pQBW2ydoVcrLJNmnhEresmgdb7Ieug/6xlwo1PxpkdZSJqrGf1LjS71ynDmGJ 7OVco9Ow0fQtg1tCZ8kYPUf0MgpYlsUdKcg1fa/MMlDf7KqhAPnRi7Zy470RO7g4XqJOzz1st 7+r3Ekh/lohtKw1oyq0CO0PjHI9OA2DNOrYh09V1bNGCWVIiBnLHqgfmhIST66//JNlMV0k11 o/AIQA7jXGlUit48dKfiawx0FQ3DCAby7kSwschvevBi1K8Kupg6eQav/kkTyeMLJ1jgVWUXM hSM3kLWrPxpQ/ao5yW0o5BAllvjMMIfIhJ6PCQ== X-Original-Sender: oinos-S0/GAf8tV78@public.gmane.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of oinos-S0/GAf8tV78@public.gmane.org designates 212.227.15.3 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=oinos-S0/GAf8tV78@public.gmane.org Precedence: list Mailing-list: list pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org; contact pandoc-discuss+owners-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org X-Google-Group-Id: 1007024079513 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.text.pandoc:13550 Archived-At: On 08/31/2015 10:57 AM, BP Jonsson wrote: > While I share your (Pablo's) irritation over the {X,HT}ML syntax for > divs and spans every bit I think it is important not to confuse that > issue with the any questions about the uses of divs or spans, which are > orthogonal. Many thanks for your reply, BPJ. Sorry, but I gave up trying to explain pandoc (or Markdown) to anyone. I was writing a manual in Spanish, but I=E2=80=99m afraid Markdown is too complicated to explain to people with no background in text tagging. Probably I=E2=80=99m wrong in expecting that pandoc could replace word proccessing programs for average users. > In principle we could use any markup to signal "the > references go here", but the idea that that markup should be independent > both of any particular place in the document and of the header (if any!) > used for the references section is a sound one, and the marked div > solution is a good one, semantically speaking. I didn=E2=80=99t eman that the the solution was wrong semantically speaking= . My point is that this would be harder to understand for average people. Since we already have section divisions, using them to implement bibliographies placing would be easier to be understood by a new user. Extra paragraphs could be added as explained. And hidding a title should be an easy task. The problem I see with Markdown (and I=E2=80=99m afraid CommonMark doesn=E2= =80=99t solve it) is that markup is inconsistent for ordinary people. The simplest rule: paragraphs are formed by consecutive non-empty lines. Only a blank line builds a new paragraph. Well, and what happens with titles? It is a consistent rule for computers (in fact they are two). But The previous rule isn=E2=80=99t consistent for persons. Sorry, this is the reason I want to use pandoc, but I won=E2=80=99t try to explain unnecessarily complicated exceptions. Many thanks for your help, Pablo --=20 http://www.ousia.tk --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pandoc-discuss" group. 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