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[212.227.17.12]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x20si231919wia.0.2015.09.02.11.37.16 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 02 Sep 2015 11:37:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of oinos-S0/GAf8tV78@public.gmane.org designates 212.227.17.12 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.17.12; Original-Received: from localhost.localdomain ([188.84.213.114]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb102) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LlF9O-1YwVFC27IU-00b1q6 for ; Wed, 02 Sep 2015 20:37:16 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 In-Reply-To: X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:F751X4GYNmgxRGsbzH5+SSnfzTXRS3guPRW0NyUDbz18Kl82Ebx M3x59qYGIA7ez7hXqXbV93T2kMYMWCLsH7i6LMg6yFnWmjsG8m05MRx1zQgiCIiKh1/32eI rldRpeNzsS7cU9ugSd3wiBXCkinFAkC+V7n/STclugagySpkDB9Vc7b/dryPV9vfEJSW1XQ /eNFO0GJBoSr+0/7Sh8aw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:BS9bGqL6880=:CZddm2EDC+SSDnoB4JLGED QzH7vL/F423B8wr1GTFMc9rO4YhA9bMtTtGz/59Ktabd786oBj3wAvJ1GYaDH5vsFRXOLZY15 FqDE0ncixnGSyGQhHMGMGDqrQKt3SWqt2FglgOKxKBWCe+Jd3JjWAHi134U4MIWk9RMtrCn8G 99Q9BzljyTxgAv05hViPuQ0hu1VGaQb87LURQS7cnYmLzn6U1n7x9Awwsm2qcKCZHYVQOAL88 AFszrXuOo4d9HyMI6hsQm/1OHENRuu+9l1Xe6OQUAx+xplvO2YPRt9BouVJlCm4UR/2aYdc4l NYPDwjsE9UKn7bVCk7gi7QEx5DbZyHMqx5PTPZ3JTHpaWzHMM3rYZasKJ1xEnW0dF6QPxPK9P dc4F9LZKCaMn3yEE+lHJaWF9ja0CXmM1EjShGXPN0BR3u4eSJahW3zzEys9T2PgoD1P0CDpRo FdlciYvtF0vtJS5dK1go02kffg67RiNNK2A7c9+BgNO0LavKqEdayEuxq/INC/9ZwG2e/NaOz VUpvKglf+WFUpKDwC+BLyT3pF6BsFP2FR+xjS/W0RWqLq7acnpnVPfoijK1HRPabXNkNErv2d qjdWXpLtQn+JHQllkMvso38++VibjXHKn9O3D0VglMwOn1Xt+UoLYg1mRSfQm9kzmovnCbCxM yabiZM0u80FoC3LjDc3NTFI+FJzfRyRVmKLGlPRiWtHQV28n9xH3WGRCc8hBePU3oQ8yVoS61 bABJuDU6AV5CyTgzFU/FqVgDBcRaPlGcTJnXxg== X-Original-Sender: oinos-S0/GAf8tV78@public.gmane.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of oinos-S0/GAf8tV78@public.gmane.org designates 212.227.17.12 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=oinos-S0/GAf8tV78@public.gmane.org Precedence: list Mailing-list: list pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org; contact pandoc-discuss+owners-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org X-Google-Group-Id: 1007024079513 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.text.pandoc:13577 Archived-At: On 09/01/2015 09:31 PM, Daniel Staal wrote: > --As of September 1, 2015 7:55:18 PM +0200, Pablo Rodr=C3=ADguez is alleg= ed to=20 > have said: >> [...] >> The problem with visual editors is that users many not know what they >> are actually doing. >> >> In that case, I think there is no gain in using pandoc. >=20 > There is some gain - the markup is structurally simpler than many others,= =20 > and it's more cross-platform and widely specified. Basically, you get a= =20 > more compatible and easier to work with file, even if the users don't=20 > directly deal with it. Cross-platform compatibility depends in that particular case on having the tool that deals with pandoc the right way. I have never used a visual tool for Markdown. But I=E2=80=99m almost sure t= hat there would be some coding that could only be edited in the source. >> My comment now is to avoid using XML syntax, since it is harder for >> newcomers. > [...] > So, to sum up: This works, and if you have a good idea for what the synta= x=20 > for a div or a span *should* be, we're all ears. ;) I made my proposal, but you didn=E2=80=99t listen to me ;-): [this should be a span]{.span #unique-span} [[[ {.div #unique-div} and following the same logic this should be a division ]]] This syntax is consistent with hyperlinks. And having different opening and closing characters makes it clearer for ordinary users (remember, no programers or computer geeks, just people ;-)). Of course, I don=E2=80=99t claim to have the definitive solution. But I won= der whether anyone may have this. And after some years (https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues/168), any syntax may do the job. I mean, I have reasons to support my proposal. But I prefer other implementation (surronding the text) than eternal discussion on proposals. >> It was only a minor issue. But do you really think that there is a need >> to limit titles to a single line? In other words, does this exception >> make sense? >> >> I=E2=80=99m not trying to change it (mainly because of backwards compati= bility), >> but I don=E2=80=99t see any reason to handle titles as block elements in= a >> different way from paragraphs (in regard to this rule). >=20 > Well, first off, they aren't really titles. They are *headings.* (There= 's=20 > only one title per document, after all...) And part of this is explained= =20 > by Markdown's roots as a text-to-html converter; HTML heading elements ar= e=20 > block elements that can't contain other block elements (like paragraphs),= =20 > so it was basically assumed. You are the native speaker, but I don=E2=80=99t think title is wrong here (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/title). Heading seems to be a more specific denomination. > But in general, I can see your point. There's no real reason to assume a= =20 > heading is any specific length. Practically, you don't want a heading=20 > that's to long because most people won't read it, but that doesn't=20 > necessarily mean we should limit it. It=E2=80=99s not only that. What happens if I use Markdown to format a clas= sical author. It may be the original German version of the =E2=80=9CCritique of P= ure Reason=E2=80=9D, with contains such a title (http://korpora.org/Kant/aa03/0= 42.html): Idee und Eintheilung einer besonderen Wissenschaft unter dem Namen einer Kritik der reinen Vernunft If it doesn=E2=80=99t fit on a single line, am I supposed to rephrase the h= eading? But we agree here, I don=E2=80=99t want to change this rule in Markdown. Pablo --=20 http://www.ousia.tk --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pandoc-discuss" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To post to this group, send email to pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= pandoc-discuss/55E741D8.5060108%40web.de. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.