Re: issue with "see also" of same and different author

["'Jan' via pandoc-discuss" <pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>]

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Thanks so much for looking into this. 

I was thinking about another possibility:  Is there perhaps a way to 
disable sorting, but keep the collapsing?  
So that in cases where in a string of citations the same author appears 
with multiple consecutive citations, the repeated author names are omitted, 
but if they appear in a string of citations but not consecutively, they are 
kept?   Does that make sense?  






On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 9:37:00 AM UTC-7 John MacFarlane wrote:

>
> As I noted on the issue, citeproc already does include code
> blocking sorting that rearranges prefixes, but this seems not
> to work in the case where there is also collapsing (of citations
> by same author). I have to look into why. Disabling collapsing
> in your style could thus be one workaround, though it would mean
> that you didn't get collapsing elsewhere.
>
>
>
> "'Jan' via pandoc-discuss" <pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
> writes:
>
> > Thanks so much, John, I opened an issue on github. 
> >
> > In the meanwhile, as a workaround, is there a way to disable sorting for 
> > CMS? 
> >
> > On Saturday, September 4, 2021 at 10:28:39 PM UTC-7 John MacFarlane 
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> The issue won't arise if you use a style that doesn't sort
> >> citations, obviously, but that may not be an option here.
> >>
> >> I have a vague memory that this issue has come up before
> >> in pandoc-citeproc or in CSL, and that there was some solution.
> >>
> >> Yes: https://github.com/jgm/pandoc-citeproc/issues/292
> >>
> >> Here is the fix I implemented in pandoc-citeproc:
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> https://github.com/jgm/pandoc-citeproc/commit/31b463a939d4878d4c83c318976b66d723e70bf5
> >>
> >> It's not in the CSL spec, so maybe it's not appropriate to
> >> modify citeproc to behave this way, but it sure is tempting.
> >> So if you feel like putting up a bug report on jgm/citeproc
> >> with links to the URLs mentioned above, please go ahead.
> >>
> >>
> >> "'Jan' via pandoc-discuss" <pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
> >> writes:
> >>
> >> > Hi all, 
> >> >
> >> > I have a quick question. 
> >> > I'm processing for Chicago Manual of style author date format. 
> >> > pandoc -t docx --csl=.pandoc/csl/chicago-author-date.csl 
> >> >
> >> > I'm using the following syntax 
> >> > [@Heller:2007i, 10; see also @Gal:1987; @Heller:1989]. 
> >> >
> >> > for a citation that I want to render as
> >> > (Heller 2007, 10; see also Gal 1987; Heller 1989) 
> >> >
> >> > what it does, it gives me: 
> >> > (Heller 2007, 10, 1989; see also Gal 1987) 
> >> >
> >> > So it moves the Heller 1989 up front to join the first citation of 
> the 
> >> same 
> >> > author and then, obviously deletes the author last name. 
> >> > Is there any way to prevent that (only for this citation)? 
> >> > As the other Heller citation should come after the "see also".
> >> >
> >> > Help much appreciated!
> >> >
> >> > all best
> >> >
> >> > Jan
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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