* Problem with "a.k.a." abbreviation in citeproc titles @ 2017-10-12 14:00 Joseph Reagle [not found] ` <5ae63233-a3d4-79c7-ba13-6ffa62a99d0b-T1oY19WcHSwdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread From: Joseph Reagle @ 2017-10-12 14:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw, development discussion for xbiblio I'm not sure if the problem is my data, citeproc, or the CSL. The problem is the awkward casing of "A.k.a." when `--style-csl chicago-fullnote-bibliography.csl`: Paul Buchheit, “Applied Philosophy, A.k.a. ‘Hacking’,” Web log message, (October 13, 2009), http://paulbuchheit.blogspot.com/2009/10/applied-philosophy-aka-hacking.html.↩ My data: --- - id: Buchheit2009apk type: post-weblog genre: Web log message abstract: "Developer of Gmail discusses hacking of systems" author: - family: "Buchheit" given: "Paul" custom2: "lh.mm" issued: year: 2009 month: 10 day: 13 title: "Applied philosophy, a.k.a. \'hacking\'" URL: "http://paulbuchheit.blogspot.com/2009/10/applied-philosophy-aka-hacking.html" accessed: year: 2015 month: 07 day: 23 ... Should I be somehow escaping punctuated initialisms? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To post to this group, send email to pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/5ae63233-a3d4-79c7-ba13-6ffa62a99d0b%40reagle.org. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
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* Re: Problem with "a.k.a." abbreviation in citeproc titles [not found] ` <5ae63233-a3d4-79c7-ba13-6ffa62a99d0b-T1oY19WcHSwdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org> @ 2017-10-12 14:55 ` John MacFarlane [not found] ` <20171012145527.GA39195-9Rnp8PDaXcadBw3G0RLmbRFnWt+6NQIA@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread From: John MacFarlane @ 2017-10-12 14:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw; +Cc: development discussion for xbiblio Pandoc follows the CSL docs: > "Title case conversion (with text-case set to “title”) for English-language > items is performed by: > > For uppercase strings, the first character of each word remains capitalized. > All other letters are lowercased. > For lower or mixed case strings, the first character of each lowercase word > is capitalized. The case of words in mixed or uppercase stays the same. > In both cases, stop words are lowercased, unless they are the first or last > word in the string, or follow a colon. The stop words are “a”, “an”, “and”, > “as”, “at”, “but”, “by”, “down”, “for”, “from”, “in”, “into”, “nor”, “of”, > “on”, “onto”, “or”, “over”, “so”, “the”, “till”, “to”, “up”, “via”, “with”, > and “yet”. As far as I can see, this says that "a.k.a." should be capitalized (even though obviously that's not a good outcome). It seems to me that a good rule would be that any word containing an internal period should have its case left alone, but it would be good to get feedback from the CSL/Zotero side. +++ Joseph Reagle [Oct 12 17 10:00 ]: >I'm not sure if the problem is my data, citeproc, or the CSL. The problem is the awkward casing of "A.k.a." when `--style-csl chicago-fullnote-bibliography.csl`: > >Paul Buchheit, “Applied Philosophy, A.k.a. ‘Hacking’,” Web log message, (October 13, 2009), http://paulbuchheit.blogspot.com/2009/10/applied-philosophy-aka-hacking.html.↩ > > >My data: > >--- >- id: Buchheit2009apk > type: post-weblog > genre: Web log message > abstract: "Developer of Gmail discusses hacking of systems" > author: > - family: "Buchheit" > given: "Paul" > custom2: "lh.mm" > issued: > year: 2009 > month: 10 > day: 13 > title: "Applied philosophy, a.k.a. \'hacking\'" > URL: "http://paulbuchheit.blogspot.com/2009/10/applied-philosophy-aka-hacking.html" > accessed: > year: 2015 > month: 07 > day: 23 >... > >Should I be somehow escaping punctuated initialisms? > >-- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. >To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >To post to this group, send email to pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/5ae63233-a3d4-79c7-ba13-6ffa62a99d0b%40reagle.org. >For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To post to this group, send email to pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/20171012145527.GA39195%40Johns-MacBook-Pro.local. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
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* Re: Problem with "a.k.a." abbreviation in citeproc titles [not found] ` <20171012145527.GA39195-9Rnp8PDaXcadBw3G0RLmbRFnWt+6NQIA@public.gmane.org> @ 2017-10-12 15:19 ` Sebastian Karcher [not found] ` <CAOSYSD47a9WBJsn74adu0n9L7PuytQDA0r+_6qXt89=fb0Gkwg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread From: Sebastian Karcher @ 2017-10-12 15:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: development discussion for xbiblio; +Cc: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 4154 bytes --] John's interpretation of the specification looks clearly correct to me, i.e. pandoc-citeproc is behaving according to the specification. citeproc-js (i.e. Zotero, Mendeley, etc.) actually keeps a.k.a in lowercase, though, when title casing, i.e. goes beyond/against (depending on your view) the spec here -- it'd be great if Frank could point to the exact test or rule he uses and we could consider that for the next iteration of the specifications. It may just be what John suggests, but I'd want to see if it captures additional conditions/cases. (Joseph -- you're aware of the <span class="nocase">a.k.a.</span> wrapper you can use to disable title-casing? I'm pretty sure that works in pandoc) On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 10:55 AM, John MacFarlane <jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> wrote: > Pandoc follows the CSL docs: > > "Title case conversion (with text-case set to “title”) for English-language >> items is performed by: >> >> For uppercase strings, the first character of each word remains >> capitalized. >> All other letters are lowercased. >> For lower or mixed case strings, the first character of each lowercase >> word >> is capitalized. The case of words in mixed or uppercase stays the same. >> In both cases, stop words are lowercased, unless they are the first or >> last >> word in the string, or follow a colon. The stop words are “a”, “an”, >> “and”, >> “as”, “at”, “but”, “by”, “down”, “for”, “from”, “in”, “into”, “nor”, “of”, >> “on”, “onto”, “or”, “over”, “so”, “the”, “till”, “to”, “up”, “via”, >> “with”, >> and “yet”. >> > > As far as I can see, this says that "a.k.a." should be > capitalized (even though obviously that's not a good > outcome). > > It seems to me that a good rule would be that any word > containing an internal period should have its case left > alone, but it would be good to get feedback from the > CSL/Zotero side. > > +++ Joseph Reagle [Oct 12 17 10:00 ]: > >> I'm not sure if the problem is my data, citeproc, or the CSL. The problem >> is the awkward casing of "A.k.a." when `--style-csl >> chicago-fullnote-bibliography.csl`: >> >> Paul Buchheit, “Applied Philosophy, A.k.a. ‘Hacking’,” Web log message, >> (October 13, 2009), http://paulbuchheit.blogspot.c >> om/2009/10/applied-philosophy-aka-hacking.html.↩ >> >> >> My data: >> >> --- >> - id: Buchheit2009apk >> type: post-weblog >> genre: Web log message >> abstract: "Developer of Gmail discusses hacking of systems" >> author: >> - family: "Buchheit" >> given: "Paul" >> custom2: "lh.mm" >> issued: >> year: 2009 >> month: 10 >> day: 13 >> title: "Applied philosophy, a.k.a. \'hacking\'" >> URL: "http://paulbuchheit.blogspot.com/2009/10/applied-philosophy >> -aka-hacking.html" >> accessed: >> year: 2015 >> month: 07 >> day: 23 >> ... >> >> Should I be somehow escaping punctuated initialisms? >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "pandoc-discuss" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >> To post to this group, send email to pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/ms >> gid/pandoc-discuss/5ae63233-a3d4-79c7-ba13-6ffa62a99d0b%40reagle.org. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > xbiblio-devel mailing list > xbiblio-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xbiblio-devel > -- Sebastian Karcher, PhD www.sebastiankarcher.com [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 6272 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 202 bytes --] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot [-- Attachment #3: Type: text/plain, Size: 198 bytes --] _______________________________________________ xbiblio-devel mailing list xbiblio-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xbiblio-devel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
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* Re: Problem with "a.k.a." abbreviation in citeproc titles [not found] ` <CAOSYSD47a9WBJsn74adu0n9L7PuytQDA0r+_6qXt89=fb0Gkwg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> @ 2017-10-13 13:26 ` Joseph Reagle 0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread From: Joseph Reagle @ 2017-10-13 13:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: development discussion for xbiblio, Sebastian Karcher Cc: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw On 10/12/17 11:19 AM, Sebastian Karcher wrote: > (Joseph -- you're aware of the <span class="nocase">a.k.a.</span> > wrapper you can use to disable title-casing? I'm pretty sure that > works in pandoc) Thanks, I'll do that. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
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