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Regarding issue 1, I will use Unicode curly quotes instead of strait quotes= =20 to avoid misinterpretation. Regarding issue 2, I tried marking the English text as [That person said,= =20 "Hello, world!"]{lang=3Den}, but the result was the same (i.e., quotes are= =20 typeset with the Japanese font instead of the English font). I also tried= =20 Unicode curly quotes. I have confirmed that "pandoc input.md -t input.tex" generates a code as=20 expected as follows: \foreignlanguage{english}{That person said, ``Hello, world!''} Therefore, this is puzzling to me... Best regards, Shigeru KOBAYASHI On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 2:34:40=E2=80=AFAM UTC+9 John MacFarlane wrot= e: > I would recommend using unicode curly quotes in the markdown when you're= =20 > working in a language without interword spacing. We rely on interword=20 > spacing for heuristics about smart quotes. > > > On Apr 9, 2023, at 4:53 PM, Shigeru Kobayashi =20 > wrote: > >=20 > > Dear Pandoc community, > >=20 > > I have encountered two issues regarding Pandoc's handling of quotation= =20 > marks in cases where Japanese and English texts are mixed. > >=20 > > I am using Pandoc version 3.1.2 on macOS 12.6.3, and I can reproduce=20 > these issues. If these are indeed bugs, I am planning to submit them as= =20 > issues on GitHub. However, I would appreciate any guidance if these issue= s=20 > arise from my incorrect usage. > >=20 > > Issue 1: Conversion of English phrases within Japanese text > >=20 > > I have observed the following issue. "input.md" is the input file, and= =20 > "input.tex" is the output file. > >=20 > > $ pandoc input.md -o input.tex > >=20 > > input.md: > > =E3=81=9D=E3=81=AE=E4=BA=BA=E3=81=AF"Hello, world!"=E3=81=A8=E8=A8=80= =E3=81=84=E3=81=BE=E3=81=97=E3=81=9F=E3=80=82 > >=20 > > input.tex: > > =E3=81=9D=E3=81=AE=E4=BA=BA=E3=81=AF''Hello, world!{}``=E3=81=A8=E8=A8= =80=E3=81=84=E3=81=BE=E3=81=97=E3=81=9F=E3=80=82 > >=20 > > However, the conversion is correct when spaces are added before and=20 > after the double quotation marks. > >=20 > > input.md: > > =E3=81=9D=E3=81=AE=E4=BA=BA=E3=81=AF "Hello, world!" =E3=81=A8=E8=A8=80= =E3=81=84=E3=81=BE=E3=81=97=E3=81=9F=E3=80=82 > >=20 > > input.tex: > > =E3=81=9D=E3=81=AE=E4=BA=BA=E3=81=AF ``Hello, world!'' =E3=81=A8=E8=A8= =80=E3=81=84=E3=81=BE=E3=81=97=E3=81=9F=E3=80=82 > >=20 > >=20 > > Issue 2: The quotation marks are treated as Japanese text > >=20 > > When converting with Pandoc, the quotation marks are treated as Japanes= e=20 > text, resulting in an unnaturally wide gap. I have confirmed this using t= wo=20 > files, "preamble.tex" and "input.md," and specifying as follows: > >=20 > > $ pandoc input.md -o input.pdf --pdf-engine=3Dxelatex -H preamble.tex. > >=20 > > preamble.tex: > > \usepackage{fontspec} > >=20 > > \setmainfont{Georgia} > > \setjamainfont{BIZ UDMincho Medium} > >=20 > >=20 > > input.md: > > --- > > documentclass: bxjsarticle > > classoption: pandoc > > papersize: a4 > > fontsize: 10pt > > --- > >=20 > > # =E3=81=AF=E3=81=98=E3=82=81=E3=81=AB > >=20 > > =E3=81=9D=E3=81=AE=E4=BA=BA=E3=81=AF "Hello, world!" =E3=81=A8=E8=A8=80= =E3=81=84=E3=81=BE=E3=81=97=E3=81=9F=E3=80=82 > >=20 > > That person said, "Hello, world!" > >=20 > > > >=20 > > In contrast, when I directly write the content in TeX and output it=20 > using $ xelatex test.tex, the quotation marks are treated as English text= ,=20 > and the expected output is obtained. > >=20 > > test.tex: > > \documentclass[a4paper,xelatex,ja=3Dstandard]{bxjsarticle} > >=20 > > \usepackage{fontspec} > > \setmainfont{Georgia} > > \setjamainfont{BIZ UDMincho Medium} > >=20 > > \title{=E3=83=86=E3=82=B9=E3=83=88} > > \begin{document} > > \maketitle > >=20 > > \section{=E3=81=AF=E3=81=98=E3=82=81=E3=81=AB} > >=20 > > =E3=81=9D=E3=81=AE=E4=BA=BA=E3=81=AF ``Hello, world!'' =E3=81=A8=E8=A8= =80=E3=81=84=E3=81=BE=E3=81=97=E3=81=9F=E3=80=82 > >=20 > > That person said, ``Hello, world!'' > >=20 > > \end{document} > >=20 > > > >=20 > > Shigeru Kobayashi > >=20 > >=20 > > --=20 > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google=20 > Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send= =20 > an email to pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > > To view this discussion on the web visit=20 > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/4a0eafdc-b4a2-4a6a-9488-= d2a1c9ef8351n%40googlegroups.com > . > > > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pandoc-discuss" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= pandoc-discuss/602edc59-8983-4459-bbbb-85cee5f013b3n%40googlegroups.com. ------=_Part_3075_418395789.1681169437451 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear=C2=A0Bastien DUMONT and=C2=A0John MacFarlane,

Thank you ver= y much for your reply.

Regarding issue 1, I will use Unicode cur= ly quotes instead of strait quotes to avoid misinterpretation.

R= egarding issue 2, I tried marking the English text as [That person said, "Hello, world!"]{lang=3Den}, but the result= was the same (i.e., quotes are typeset with the Japanese font instead of t= he English font). I also tried Unicode curly quotes.

I have conf= irmed that "pandoc input.md -t input.tex"= generates a code as expected as follows:
\= foreignlanguage{english}{That person said, ``Hello, world!''}
<= br />Therefore, this is puzzling to me...


Best regards,Shigeru KOBAYASHI


On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 2:34:40=E2=80= =AFAM UTC+9 John MacFarlane wrote:
I would recommend using unicode curly quotes in the m= arkdown when you're working in a language without interword spacing. We= rely on interword spacing for heuristics about smart quotes.

> On Apr 9, 2023, at 4:53 PM, Shigeru Kobayashi <may...-+k8b35VvZrR3+QwDJ9on6Q@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>=20
> Dear Pandoc community,
>=20
> I have encountered two issues regarding Pandoc's handling of q= uotation marks in cases where Japanese and English texts are mixed.
>=20
> I am using Pandoc version 3.1.2 on macOS 12.6.3, and I can reprodu= ce these issues. If these are indeed bugs, I am planning to submit them as = issues on GitHub. However, I would appreciate any guidance if these issues = arise from my incorrect usage.
>=20
> Issue 1: Conversion of English phrases within Japanese text
>=20
> I have observed the following issue. "input.md" is the i= nput file, and "input.tex" is the output file.
>=20
> $ pandoc input.md -o input.tex
>=20
> input.md:
> =E3=81=9D=E3=81=AE=E4=BA=BA=E3=81=AF"Hello, world!"=E3= =81=A8=E8=A8=80=E3=81=84=E3=81=BE=E3=81=97=E3=81=9F=E3=80=82
>=20
> input.tex:
> =E3=81=9D=E3=81=AE=E4=BA=BA=E3=81=AF''Hello, world!{}``=E3= =81=A8=E8=A8=80=E3=81=84=E3=81=BE=E3=81=97=E3=81=9F=E3=80=82
>=20
> However, the conversion is correct when spaces are added before an= d after the double quotation marks.
>=20
> input.md:
> =E3=81=9D=E3=81=AE=E4=BA=BA=E3=81=AF "Hello, world!" =E3= =81=A8=E8=A8=80=E3=81=84=E3=81=BE=E3=81=97=E3=81=9F=E3=80=82
>=20
> input.tex:
> =E3=81=9D=E3=81=AE=E4=BA=BA=E3=81=AF ``Hello, world!'' =E3= =81=A8=E8=A8=80=E3=81=84=E3=81=BE=E3=81=97=E3=81=9F=E3=80=82
>=20
>=20
> Issue 2: The quotation marks are treated as Japanese text
>=20
> When converting with Pandoc, the quotation marks are treated as Ja= panese text, resulting in an unnaturally wide gap. I have confirmed this us= ing two files, "preamble.tex" and "input.md," and speci= fying as follows:
>=20
> $ pandoc input.md -o input.pdf --pdf-engine=3Dxelatex -H preamble.= tex.
>=20
> preamble.tex:
> \usepackage{fontspec}
>=20
> \setmainfont{Georgia}
> \setjamainfont{BIZ UDMincho Medium}
>=20
>=20
> input.md:
> ---
> documentclass: bxjsarticle
> classoption: pandoc
> papersize: a4
> fontsize: 10pt
> ---
>=20
> # =E3=81=AF=E3=81=98=E3=82=81=E3=81=AB
>=20
> =E3=81=9D=E3=81=AE=E4=BA=BA=E3=81=AF "Hello, world!" =E3= =81=A8=E8=A8=80=E3=81=84=E3=81=BE=E3=81=97=E3=81=9F=E3=80=82
>=20
> That person said, "Hello, world!"
>=20
> <pandoc test 2023-04-10 8.47.43.png>
>=20
> In contrast, when I directly write the content in TeX and output i= t using $ xelatex test.tex, the quotation marks are treated as English text= , and the expected output is obtained.
>=20
> test.tex:
> \documentclass[a4paper,xelatex,ja=3Dstandard]{bxjsarticle}
>=20
> \usepackage{fontspec}
> \setmainfont{Georgia}
> \setjamainfont{BIZ UDMincho Medium}
>=20
> \title{=E3=83=86=E3=82=B9=E3=83=88}
> \begin{document}
> \maketitle
>=20
> \section{=E3=81=AF=E3=81=98=E3=82=81=E3=81=AB}
>=20
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> That person said, ``Hello, world!''
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> \end{document}
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> Shigeru Kobayashi
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