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Indeed, I misread the situation, though the= =20 outcome is still strange. The HTML I am starting with in my clipboard is a= =20 complete document with a doctype declaration. The first line is: Pandoc (pandoc -t html+smart) converts the angle brackets into HTML entity= =20 names: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC =E2=80=9C-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN=E2=80=9D=20 =E2=80=9Chttp://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd=E2=80=9D> Later on in my process, the content gets converted to RTF using textutil,= =20 which removes doctype declarations but retains the line above, converting= =20 the entity names back into angle brackets=E2=80=94which is how I got the id= ea that=20 Pandoc had put it there. I am not sure why my Pandoc command converts the angle brackets in that=20 first line=E2=80=94it leaves the other angle brackets in the document alone= =E2=80=94but I=20 can just remove that line from the clipboard text before processing it with= =20 Pandoc, so no problem. On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 10:48:46 AM UTC-5 tkur...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote: > When standalone is not specified, pandoc typically outputs fragments=20 > rather than a complete document. This is convenient for the case where y= ou=20 > are processing multiple fragments into one document. (This happens in HT= ML=20 > output but also in other output; groff -ms, ConTeXt, LaTeX.) So normal= =20 > HTML output I see when I don't specify standalone does *not* include the= =20 > doctype. > > $ echo '* Bogus' | pandoc -r rst -w html >
    >
  • Bogus
    • >
> > This is with pandoc 2.16.2, installed with homebrew. > > > On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 9:33 AM Joseph Reagle wrote= : > >> The doctype declaration is a standard HTML feature and declares the=20 >> version of the HTML. Pandoc, especially in `--standalone` mode includes= =20 >> these at the start of an HTML document. >> >> I'm confused, however. You haven't specified standalone mode. (And why= =20 >> would you want them removed in any case?) And the behavior you are=20 >> describing doesn't correspond to recent versions -- I'm using 2.16.2. I'= m=20 >> not sure when/if pandoc last used HTML4.01 strict. >> >> In any case, you could create your own HTML template, without a doctype= =20 >> declaration. >> >> https://pandoc.org/MANUAL.html#templates >> >> On 21-12-27 15:04, phi...-97jfqw80gc6171pxa8y+qA@public.gmane.org wrote: >> > I am using Pandoc to convert dumb quotes to smart quotes in HTML. The= =20 >> HTML is on my MacOS clipboard: >> >=20 >> > pbpaste | pandoc -t html+smart | pbcopy >> >=20 >> > The output begins with >> >=20 >> > > http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd=E2=80=9D> >> >=20 >> > and a blank line. >> >=20 >> > Is it possible to turn this off? >> >> --=20 >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s=20 >> "pandoc-discuss" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send a= n=20 >> email to pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >> To view this discussion on the web visit=20 >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/e8eac3cc-feb6-e3af-dc9d= -d3fe0b964925%40reagle.org >> . >> > > > --=20 > T. Kurt Bond, tkur...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org, https://tkurtbond.github.io > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pandoc-discuss" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= pandoc-discuss/60674d49-1a0d-485d-ac2f-ae6a8283dde9n%40googlegroups.com. ------=_Part_10501_1038843698.1640708369120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you for your assistance! Indeed, I misread the situation, though the = outcome is still strange. The HTML I am starting with in my clipboard is a = complete document with a doctype declaration. The first line is:

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN= " "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">

Pandoc (pandoc -t html+smart) converts the angle bracket= s into HTML entity names:

&lt;!DOCTYP= E html PUBLIC =E2=80=9C-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9Chttp://w= ww.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd=E2=80=9D&gt;

Later on in my= process, the content gets converted to RTF using textutil, which removes d= octype declarations but retains the line above, converting the entity names= back into angle brackets=E2=80=94which is how I got the idea that Pandoc h= ad put it there.

I am not sure why my Pandoc command converts the an= gle brackets in that first line=E2=80=94it leaves the other angle brackets = in the document alone=E2=80=94but I can just remove that line from the clip= board text before processing it with Pandoc, so no problem.
On Tuesday, December 28, = 2021 at 10:48:46 AM UTC-5 tkur...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote:
When standalone is n= ot specified, pandoc typically outputs fragments rather than a complete doc= ument.=C2=A0 This is convenient for the case where you are processing multi= ple fragments into one document.=C2=A0 (This happens in HTML output but als= o in other output; groff -ms, ConTeXt, LaTeX.)=C2=A0 So normal HTML output = I see when I don't specify standalone does not=C2=A0include the = doctype.
$ echo '* Bogus' | pandoc -r rst -w html=
<ul>
<li>Bogus</li>
</ul>
This is with= =C2=A0pandoc 2.16.2, installed with=C2=A0homebrew.


On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 9:33 AM Joseph R= eagle <josep...-T1oY19WcHSwdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org> wrote:
The doctype declaration is a standard HTML fe= ature and declares the version of the HTML. Pandoc, especially in `--standa= lone` mode includes these at the start of an HTML document.

I'm confused, however. You haven't specified standalone mode. (And = why would you want them removed in any case?) And the behavior you are desc= ribing doesn't correspond to recent versions -- I'm using 2.16.2. I= 'm not sure when/if pandoc last used HTML4.01 strict.

In any case, you could create your own HTML template, without a doctype dec= laration.

https://pandoc.org/MANUAL.html#templates

On 21-12-27 15:04, phi...@fastma= il.fm wrote:
> I am using Pandoc to convert dumb quotes to smart quotes in HTML. The = HTML is on my MacOS clipboard:
>
> pbpaste | pandoc -t html+smart | pbcopy
>
> The output begins with
>
> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC =E2=80=9C-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN=E2=80=9D = =E2=80=9Chttp://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd=E2=80=9D>
>
> and a blank line.
>
> Is it possible to turn this off?

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