Inserting extra class attribute in <span class="math inline">latex </span> (notranslate for eg.)

Inserting extra class attribute in <span class="math inline">latex </span> (notranslate for eg.)

[Federer Fanatic]

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I had originally posted the topic below 
in: https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues/3381, for convenience i repeat it 
here

                   AND 

I asked a question on the email list of luatex:

=================================== mail to luatex list ================
Basically have complete mathml markup or some other kind of html math output
that is completely capable of doing what is now done for pdf output. This 
would 

elminate the need for the clumsy workarounds that mathjax, for example, 

provides---there appears to be no easy way to convert arbitarilly/personally

written latex packages/classes into something that mathjax can understand. 

Obviously the original latex code could still remain in the resulting 
html/math

output so that people would still have access to the "original" source code.

One of my motivations is to allow for google translate to work on html
math documents...


    it WORKS provided you add 'notranslate' to the 'class' option of the 
spans:


  <class="math display">latex math commands/span>


similarly for "math inline"


However LaTeX commands that mathjax is not familiar
with are not rendered ... I regard that project, while laudable, wrong

headed as the real problem should be solved by a proper TeX engine such as 
luatex?

===================== end of email to the luatex dev list 
-------------------------------------


Someone on the the luatex  list suggested that ConTeXt might be the way to 
go via a TeXlike engine...


---------------- Getting back to a solution via pandoc 
-----------------------------------



I succeeded in getting this to work with --mathjax option of pandoc to get 
a nicely rendered
document in html/mathjax, however as noted above when one does this with, 
say, a french
latex file with the goal to translate this into english while preserving 
the latex google translate

mangles the math, unless one does the "notranslate" argument as described 
above.


Is this the best solution?


One of my primary goals is then translate LaTeX/heavy math document into 
LaTeX/English/Math documents.


So to summarise I have done:


   LaTeX file in Language A --> convert to html/js/mathjax using pandoc---> 
Edit resulting file and put in 'no translate'

   argument of <span> -----> Put into  Google translate


  I have not tried the final step (which is obviously easy) of converting 
the result of Google translate into English.


Using Pandoc I suspect constructing a filter would achieve the goal (it's 
easy enough to create a oneline perl -ne command, but...)


So is  http://pandoc.org/scripting.html 
<https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues/url> ?


On a different tangent .....

===============================================================================


Someone on the pandoc the dev list of luatex suggests that ConTeXt can 
achieve my goals directly?



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Re: Inserting extra class attribute in <span class="math inline">latex </span> (notranslate for eg.)

[John MacFarlane]

I'm not sure what you're getting at here, but do you
know about the --mathml option of pandoc?  You can have
pandoc produce mathml for math in HTML5, instead of
using MathJax.  Unfortunately this is not very well
supported by browsers.

+++ Federer Fanatic [Jan 26 17 05:53 ]:
>   I had originally posted the topic below
>   in: https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues/3381, for convenience i repeat
>   it here
>                      AND
>
>   I asked a question on the email list of luatex:
>
>   =================================== mail to luatex list
>   ================
>   Basically have complete mathml markup or some other kind of html math
>   output
>   that is completely capable of doing what is now done for pdf output.
>   This would
>
>   elminate the need for the clumsy workarounds that mathjax, for
>   example,
>
>   provides---there appears to be no easy way to convert
>   arbitarilly/personally
>
>   written latex packages/classes into something that mathjax can
>   understand.
>
>   Obviously the original latex code could still remain in the resulting
>   html/math
>
>   output so that people would still have access to the "original" source
>   code.
>
>   One of my motivations is to allow for google translate to work on html
>   math documents...
>
>       it WORKS provided you add 'notranslate' to the 'class' option of
>   the spans:
>
>     <class="math display">latex math commands/span>
>
>   similarly for "math inline"
>
>   However LaTeX commands that mathjax is not familiar
>   with are not rendered ... I regard that project, while laudable, wrong
>
>   headed as the real problem should be solved by a proper TeX engine such
>   as luatex?
>
>   ===================== end of email to the luatex dev list
>   -------------------------------------
>
>   Someone on the the luatex  list suggested that ConTeXt might be the way
>   to go via a TeXlike engine...
>
>   ---------------- Getting back to a solution via pandoc
>   -----------------------------------
>
>   I succeeded in getting this to work with --mathjax option of pandoc to
>   get a nicely rendered
>   document in html/mathjax, however as noted above when one does this
>   with, say, a french
>   latex file with the goal to translate this into english while
>   preserving the latex google translate
>
>   mangles the math, unless one does the "notranslate" argument as
>   described above.
>
>   Is this the best solution?
>
>   One of my primary goals is then translate LaTeX/heavy math document
>   into LaTeX/English/Math documents.
>
>   So to summarise I have done:
>
>      LaTeX file in Language A --> convert to html/js/mathjax using
>   pandoc---> Edit resulting file and put in 'no translate'
>
>      argument of <span> -----> Put into  Google translate
>
>     I have not tried the final step (which is obviously easy) of
>   converting the result of Google translate into English.
>
>   Using Pandoc I suspect constructing a filter would achieve the goal
>   (it's easy enough to create a oneline perl -ne command, but...)
>
>   So is  [1]http://pandoc.org/scripting.html ?
>
>   On a different tangent .....
>
>   =======================================================================
>   ========
>
>   Someone on the pandoc the dev list of luatex suggests that ConTeXt can
>   achieve my goals directly?
>
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Re: Inserting extra class attribute in <span class="math inline">latex </span> (notranslate for eg.)

[Federer Fanatic]

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Hi, I am familiar. So you're suggesting I do -mathml instead and then apply 
translation to that
and then hopefully convert the mathml doc into LaTeX again? I think I tried 
this and encountered a
problem in that some of the LaTeX commands are NOT converted into mathml. 
the MathJax facility
seems to do a better job. I will try posting some tiny examples.

FF

ps. My stated goal is my post below: Latex Math in Language A ---> Latex 
Math in Language B.



Question: How do I incorporate expanding my macro packages

On Friday, 27 January 2017 03:50:23 UTC-5, John MacFarlane wrote:
>
> I'm not sure what you're getting at here, but do you 
> know about the --mathml option of pandoc?  You can have 
> pandoc produce mathml for math in HTML5, instead of 
> using MathJax.  Unfortunately this is not very well 
> supported by browsers. 
>
> +++ Federer Fanatic [Jan 26 17 05:53 ]: 
> >   I had originally posted the topic below 
> >   in: https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues/3381, for convenience i 
> repeat 
> >   it here 
> >                      AND 
> > 
> >   I asked a question on the email list of luatex: 
> > 
> >   =================================== mail to luatex list 
> >   ================ 
> >   Basically have complete mathml markup or some other kind of html math 
> >   output 
> >   that is completely capable of doing what is now done for pdf output. 
> >   This would 
> > 
> >   elminate the need for the clumsy workarounds that mathjax, for 
> >   example, 
> > 
> >   provides---there appears to be no easy way to convert 
> >   arbitarilly/personally 
> > 
> >   written latex packages/classes into something that mathjax can 
> >   understand. 
> > 
> >   Obviously the original latex code could still remain in the resulting 
> >   html/math 
> > 
> >   output so that people would still have access to the "original" source 
> >   code. 
> > 
> >   One of my motivations is to allow for google translate to work on html 
> >   math documents... 
> > 
> >       it WORKS provided you add 'notranslate' to the 'class' option of 
> >   the spans: 
> > 
> >     <class="math display">latex math commands/span> 
> > 
> >   similarly for "math inline" 
> > 
> >   However LaTeX commands that mathjax is not familiar 
> >   with are not rendered ... I regard that project, while laudable, wrong 
> > 
> >   headed as the real problem should be solved by a proper TeX engine 
> such 
> >   as luatex? 
> > 
> >   ===================== end of email to the luatex dev list 
> >   ------------------------------------- 
> > 
> >   Someone on the the luatex  list suggested that ConTeXt might be the 
> way 
> >   to go via a TeXlike engine... 
> > 
> >   ---------------- Getting back to a solution via pandoc 
> >   ----------------------------------- 
> > 
> >   I succeeded in getting this to work with --mathjax option of pandoc to 
> >   get a nicely rendered 
> >   document in html/mathjax, however as noted above when one does this 
> >   with, say, a french 
> >   latex file with the goal to translate this into english while 
> >   preserving the latex google translate 
> > 
> >   mangles the math, unless one does the "notranslate" argument as 
> >   described above. 
> > 
> >   Is this the best solution? 
> > 
> >   One of my primary goals is then translate LaTeX/heavy math document 
> >   into LaTeX/English/Math documents. 
> > 
> >   So to summarise I have done: 
> > 
> >      LaTeX file in Language A --> convert to html/js/mathjax using 
> >   pandoc---> Edit resulting file and put in 'no translate' 
> > 
> >      argument of <span> -----> Put into  Google translate 
> > 
> >     I have not tried the final step (which is obviously easy) of 
> >   converting the result of Google translate into English. 
> > 
> >   Using Pandoc I suspect constructing a filter would achieve the goal 
> >   (it's easy enough to create a oneline perl -ne command, but...) 
> > 
> >   So is  [1]http://pandoc.org/scripting.html ? 
> > 
> >   On a different tangent ..... 
> > 
> >   
> ======================================================================= 
> >   ======== 
> > 
> >   Someone on the pandoc the dev list of luatex suggests that ConTeXt can 
> >   achieve my goals directly? 
> > 
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