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Nobody uses it yet, so it's too early to tell what = its future is. I've tried to make it easy for people to try djot, by provi= ding an easy conversion path to and from djot from other common formats. S= o hopefully people will try it and we'll see if it catches on. As for commonmark and pandoc markdown: My ambition is to implement commonma= rk extensions for all of the main pandoc markdown features, so that we can = eventually transition away from the legacy pandoc markdown parser. We have = most of the extensions already. But a few extensions are proving difficult = (citations especially), so it may take a while. > On Jul 18, 2022, at 6:24 PM, Joseph Reagle wrote= : >=20 > Jon, I was wondering if you could speak to how you'd like to see markdown= variants progress, especially since you are now behind three of them! =F0= =9F=99=82 >=20 > - CommonMark: a best attempt at formalizing the ambiguities of legacy mar= kdown; stable (no more features); you recommend new efforts adopt djot or p= andoc-markdown. > - djot: simpler to implement and likely to see easily implementable featu= res. > - pandoc-markdown: CommonMark with powerful extensions (e.g., bibliograph= y). >=20 >=20 > On 22-07-18 12:08, John MacFarlane wrote: >> If I did include something as standard syntax, I'd be inclined not to ma= ke it YAML, which is too complicated, but maybe a YAML subset. >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "pandoc-discuss" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an= email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgi= d/pandoc-discuss/5a12655c-c8a0-e5ab-c173-a4ea9cf8c661%40reagle.org. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pandoc-discuss" group. 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