From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.text.pandoc/514 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bruce Newsgroups: gmane.text.pandoc Subject: Re: pandoc/citeproc issues: multiple bibliographies, nocite, citeonly Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 10:39:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <68cb6920-d51b-4139-913b-4ca4e96e160c@d20g2000yqg.googlegroups.com> References: <20101121193229.GB25657@protagoras.phil.berkeley.edu> <20101122232135.GG13438@eeepc.istitutocolli.org> <20101123063011.GD8500@protagoras.phil.berkeley.edu> <4CEB91AA.5050801@trizeps.ch> Reply-To: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1290537563 19996 80.91.229.12 (23 Nov 2010 18:39:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 18:39:23 +0000 (UTC) To: pandoc-discuss Original-X-From: pandoc-discuss+bncCMyl0u6pChDOlLDnBBoE4C85Yg-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org Tue Nov 23 19:39:19 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: gtp-pandoc-discuss@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from mail-yw0-f58.google.com ([209.85.213.58]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PKxlu-0007U8-Vf for gtp-pandoc-discuss@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 19:39:19 +0100 Original-Received: by yws5 with SMTP id 5sf858810yws.3 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 10:39:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:mime-version :received:received:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=AOU28M8UDHQnOaEm1PK0Eo/SrXi2EGL1zO+/i6oefuE=; b=oOtu48j9r8LpS2uezRVD1laqd+UVIbFf1zVLIAnZxmwzBLV/CEHGUbGwC8doX5mj8r Olim2JcksPOTK8O2C9J7sMdMLHHq49hLn0D+/sv5LO30ZLP/gaVuMJmJ+w7Mx/v/DZdw sgIarckDw4CHrg/3CkWnfuHZLF4nRdNQXPb0o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=GT+I6+zlo0uBWMj2AJ2zoyurx9Hfrj6RxSf4nCUlayj0a2qiwnEuIY3aRJ+/b+/O0g a5I8j1kVvUu1HiV6UEyZHjbx8dr3RTRwBp3IcFn+cQrI28UPo/DpKCRR37kKK8haKNiW UfhoVJHsyt+DQbeIev1LlSkUow3IhoSWRZvQg= Original-Received: by 10.91.45.21 with SMTP id x21mr545722agj.23.1290537550729; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 10:39:10 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org Original-Received: by 10.100.26.21 with SMTP id 21ls190533anz.2.p; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 10:39:09 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.100.14.6 with SMTP id 6mr248654ann.13.1290537549411; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 10:39:09 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by d20g2000yqg.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 10:39:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4CEB91AA.5050801-8UOIJiGH10pyDzI6CaY1VQ@public.gmane.org> X-IP: 134.53.57.142 User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.11) Gecko/20101012 Firefox/3.6.11,gzip(gfe) X-Original-Sender: bdarcus.lists-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org Precedence: list Mailing-list: list pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org; contact pandoc-discuss+owners-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Original-Sender: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.text.pandoc:514 Archived-At: On Nov 23, 5:04=A0am, Nathan Gass wrote: > On 23.11.10 07:30, John MacFarlane wrote: > > > +++ Andrea Rossato [Nov 23 10 00:21 ]: > >> On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 11:32:29AM -0800, John MacFarlane wrote: > > >> What about parsing the markdown text for the reference field, if > >> present read the source file with the bibliographic data and then > >> parse the actual markdown text? > > > This could be done, but there'd be a significant performance > > penalty, so I'd rather avoid it. > > Do you have any benchmarks for pandoc? Performance seems to be a very > important concern for you, while in my usage it never was an issue. Of > course I neither have large documents to parse nor use pandoc in any > high-traffic web environment, but I would be interested in which region > pandoc currently is and how big this penalties are compared to that. > > >> There would be also some specific needs for bibliographic formatting > >> to be taken into account, like second field alignment or per-author > >> listing. See more about it here: > >>http://citationstyles.org/downloads/specification.html#id73 > > >> I must admit I didn't have yet the time to dig into those issues and > >> I'd prefer to leave them for future enhancements. I think we should > >> focus on getting the citation part right, first, since it involves > >> syntax modification. The bibliography, instead, is a matter which does > >> not affect the way documents are written. > > > Yes, it seems fine to wait on refining the formatting of the > > bibliography. But we ought to settle the issues above about how > > a writer indicates where the bibliography goes, what its source > > is, etc. > > For whats it worth, in my opinion the formatting of the bibliography > belongs into the style, or some separate pandoc configuration, and not > in the document itself. FWIW from the CSL perspective, there are some areas over overlap between the domain of CSL and the domain of, say, a document styling system (line-spacing, some font details, even whether you call a reference list a "Bibliography" or "Works Cited"). We cover what we can (say line spacing between bib entries), but defer otherwise. As a user of pandoc particularly interested in(X)HTML, I'd consider it valuable at least if the bib was wrapped in a div that I can style. Bruce --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pandoc-discuss" group. 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