Re: RFC: Designing Logo of Pandoc

[Alexis BRENON <brenon.alexis-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>]

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Well, from the idea of the octagon, I sketch that :

<https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-UXwRLqtmrCQ/WIHNZQammwI/AAAAAAAADYA/fybcrfypiTceeZ3F9kEoPnbxuH0AIIfyQCLcB/s1600/pandoc_octagon.png>
It's a very rough draft, and for sure links in the background will not 
scale very well. Maybe replacing them with some arrows like the RMarkdown 
logo inside the octagon (reducing the letters if necessary) worth 
mentioning.

Regards.

Le jeudi 19 janvier 2017 20:09:26 UTC+1, Kolen Cheung a écrit :
>
> (I included the image below so one need not to click into it. But let me 
> know if it troubles you and I will use links next time.)
> <#8f9805be-9ec0-4808-8e82-efecf8f0b813-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org_>More on the 
> rmarkdown “logo” 
>    
>    - 
>    
>    are you sure it is a logo? Because when I go to their website 
>    <http://rmarkdown.rstudio.com>, it is nowhere to be seen. And a search 
>    on “rmarkdown” logo on Google Image 
>    <https://www.google.com/search?q=rmarkdown+logo&safe=active&client=safari&rls=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwix9JDO687RAhVrslQKHRduCukQ_AUICCgB&biw=1916&bih=1019#safe=active&tbm=isch&q=%22rmarkdown%22+logo> 
>    only have this on a few results. Would it just be an illustration (say 
>    people showing on presentations) on what rmarkdown is?
>    - 
>    
>    What I said earlier does not mean that the image [image: PNG] would be 
>    a good logo design (it might very well not be a logo): it is too busy, and 
>    would get lost when viewed in small scale/far away.
>    - 
>    
>    The image above and the octagon concept I had earlier on is basically 
>    the same concept. I think this is also a good illustration that when 
>    viewing any of the concepts here, we should think of the abstract form of 
>    it, rather than sticking to the actual manifestation of the original 
>    concept. (e.g. in pop songs, the demo and the final product sounds really 
>    different, but whoever is screening the demos will need to look pass its 
>    current form and visualize the potentials in the concept)
>    
> <#8f9805be-9ec0-4808-8e82-efecf8f0b813-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org_>Judging criteria? 
>
> I think this last point above cannot be stressed enough especially if 
> there would be some sort of poll. The judging criteria should not be biased 
> towards how finished the concepts was, but focus on the potential it has 
> (because none of them are finished products). So it might be beneficial to 
> have 2 polls where the 1st one is for selecting candidates for refinement. 
> The would be the main difficulties of a poll, and personally I think it 
> would be easier that the first screening is done by @jgm alone (let say 
> @jgm gave us the 3 concepts he likes most, and as a community we push the 
> design of all 3 concepts, and then poll for 1).
> <#8f9805be-9ec0-4808-8e82-efecf8f0b813-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org_>Another idea 
>
> Another idea is from the diagram in Pandoc - About pandoc 
> <http://pandoc.org/>: [image: diagram] (which is “fractal-ish”). When I 
> was a newbies in pandoc, every time I visited pandoc.org I was fascinated 
> by that diagram. That diagram points from formats to formats (so not having 
> a central “AST” element). This sparks a concept that involves something 
> like (just Google search results) [image: this] or [image: this] on an 
> octagon (I might draw one when I have time. Others can use this idea too).
>
> And I hope this last paragraphs shows that I’m impartial to having a 
> central “AST” or not. But I think a key to creative processes is not to ban 
> ideas too early. It is like one’s drawing a mind map. When you’re 
> brain-storming, a certain path might seem a dead-end. But if you cross out 
> that path too early, you might have eliminated a solution prematurely. One 
> would just ignored that path, until you brainstorm something worth pursuing 
> there. And in the end, how good is a design if it isn’t impressive enough 
> for people to ask the philosophy behind it?
>
> On Thursday, January 19, 2017 at 12:47:49 AM UTC-8, Sergio Correia wrote:
>
> Personally, I wouldn't use a logo chosen without the approval of John; 
>> would feel a bit rude tbh. That said, we can vote on proposals and pick our 
>> favorites, in order to frame the discussion.
>>
>>
>> About the logo:
>>
>>
>>    - We should pick a logo that denotes *what* pandoc does, not *how *it 
>>    does it. Users (rightly) don't care that pandoc builds an abstract syntax 
>>    tree, so that should not be in the logo. (This is also what BP stated in 
>>    his Dec16 post)
>>    - At its core, pandoc converts documents. It converts *.md* into *.html 
>>    and so on*. A quick google image search tells us that *the* canonical 
>>    icon for conversion is the circle arrow symbol (kinda like the recycling 
>>    arrow). example: 
>>    http://cracksfree.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/avs-document-converter_98327.jpg
>>    - For documents, any stack would do: 
>>    http://images.clipartpanda.com/document-clipart-082004-green-grunge-clipart-icon-business-document4.png
>>
>> It's also interesting to see how the rmarkdown folks look at this:
>>
>> http://rmarkdown.rstudio.com/images/RMarkdownOutputFormats.png
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, January 19, 2017 at 3:03:55 AM UTC-5, Albert Krewinkel wrote:
>>>
>>> 藤原由来 <sky.y...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>>>
>>> > Then, as some people say, we need commitment of logo in this group 
>>> (not only in 
>>> > this thread). 
>>> > 
>>> > I like the idea to release the final logo in the release date of 
>>> Pandoc 2.0. 
>>> > Because meaning (like a story or literature) is important to be 
>>> impressively 
>>> > remembered for people. 
>>>
>>> It seems clear to me that jgm is the only person who can choose an 
>>> official pandoc logo. 
>>>
>>> However, we, as an community, can still vote on a logo. It won't be 
>>> official pandoc logo, but the community logo which can be used to brand 
>>> projects build with or around pandoc.  Of course that logo could be 
>>> changed as soon as an official logo is chosen. 
>>>
>>> My suggestion would be to wait a little while longer before doing any 
>>> voting, e.g. until the first of March. 
>>>
>> ​
>

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