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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, from the idea of the octagon, I sketch that : It's a very rough draft, and for sure links in the background will not=20 scale very well. Maybe replacing them with some arrows like the RMarkdown= =20 logo inside the octagon (reducing the letters if necessary) worth=20 mentioning. Regards. Le jeudi 19 janvier 2017 20:09:26 UTC+1, Kolen Cheung a =C3=A9crit : > > (I included the image below so one need not to click into it. But let me= =20 > know if it troubles you and I will use links next time.) > <#8f9805be-9ec0-4808-8e82-efecf8f0b813-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org_>More on the=20 > rmarkdown =E2=80=9Clogo=E2=80=9D=20 > =20 > -=20 > =20 > are you sure it is a logo? Because when I go to their website=20 > , it is nowhere to be seen. And a search= =20 > on =E2=80=9Crmarkdown=E2=80=9D logo on Google Image=20 > =20 > only have this on a few results. Would it just be an illustration (say= =20 > people showing on presentations) on what rmarkdown is? > -=20 > =20 > What I said earlier does not mean that the image [image: PNG] would be= =20 > a good logo design (it might very well not be a logo): it is too busy,= and=20 > would get lost when viewed in small scale/far away. > -=20 > =20 > The image above and the octagon concept I had earlier on is basically= =20 > the same concept. I think this is also a good illustration that when= =20 > viewing any of the concepts here, we should think of the abstract form= of=20 > it, rather than sticking to the actual manifestation of the original= =20 > concept. (e.g. in pop songs, the demo and the final product sounds rea= lly=20 > different, but whoever is screening the demos will need to look pass i= ts=20 > current form and visualize the potentials in the concept) > =20 > <#8f9805be-9ec0-4808-8e82-efecf8f0b813-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org_>Judging criteria= ?=20 > > I think this last point above cannot be stressed enough especially if=20 > there would be some sort of poll. The judging criteria should not be bias= ed=20 > towards how finished the concepts was, but focus on the potential it has= =20 > (because none of them are finished products). So it might be beneficial t= o=20 > have 2 polls where the 1st one is for selecting candidates for refinement= .=20 > The would be the main difficulties of a poll, and personally I think it= =20 > would be easier that the first screening is done by @jgm alone (let say= =20 > @jgm gave us the 3 concepts he likes most, and as a community we push the= =20 > design of all 3 concepts, and then poll for 1). > <#8f9805be-9ec0-4808-8e82-efecf8f0b813-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org_>Another idea=20 > > Another idea is from the diagram in Pandoc - About pandoc=20 > : [image: diagram] (which is =E2=80=9Cfractal-ish=E2= =80=9D). When I=20 > was a newbies in pandoc, every time I visited pandoc.org I was fascinated= =20 > by that diagram. That diagram points from formats to formats (so not havi= ng=20 > a central =E2=80=9CAST=E2=80=9D element). This sparks a concept that invo= lves something=20 > like (just Google search results) [image: this] or [image: this] on an=20 > octagon (I might draw one when I have time. Others can use this idea too)= . > > And I hope this last paragraphs shows that I=E2=80=99m impartial to havin= g a=20 > central =E2=80=9CAST=E2=80=9D or not. But I think a key to creative proce= sses is not to ban=20 > ideas too early. It is like one=E2=80=99s drawing a mind map. When you=E2= =80=99re=20 > brain-storming, a certain path might seem a dead-end. But if you cross ou= t=20 > that path too early, you might have eliminated a solution prematurely. On= e=20 > would just ignored that path, until you brainstorm something worth pursui= ng=20 > there. And in the end, how good is a design if it isn=E2=80=99t impressiv= e enough=20 > for people to ask the philosophy behind it? > > On Thursday, January 19, 2017 at 12:47:49 AM UTC-8, Sergio Correia wrote: > > Personally, I wouldn't use a logo chosen without the approval of John;=20 >> would feel a bit rude tbh. That said, we can vote on proposals and pick = our=20 >> favorites, in order to frame the discussion. >> >> >> About the logo: >> >> >> - We should pick a logo that denotes *what* pandoc does, not *how *it= =20 >> does it. Users (rightly) don't care that pandoc builds an abstract sy= ntax=20 >> tree, so that should not be in the logo. (This is also what BP stated= in=20 >> his Dec16 post) >> - At its core, pandoc converts documents. It converts *.md* into *.ht= ml=20 >> and so on*. A quick google image search tells us that *the* canonical= =20 >> icon for conversion is the circle arrow symbol (kinda like the recycl= ing=20 >> arrow). example:=20 >> http://cracksfree.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/avs-document-convert= er_98327.jpg >> - For documents, any stack would do:=20 >> http://images.clipartpanda.com/document-clipart-082004-green-grunge-c= lipart-icon-business-document4.png >> >> It's also interesting to see how the rmarkdown folks look at this: >> >> http://rmarkdown.rstudio.com/images/RMarkdownOutputFormats.png >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thursday, January 19, 2017 at 3:03:55 AM UTC-5, Albert Krewinkel wrot= e: >>> >>> =E8=97=A4=E5=8E=9F=E7=94=B1=E6=9D=A5 writes:=20 >>> >>> > Then, as some people say, we need commitment of logo in this group=20 >>> (not only in=20 >>> > this thread).=20 >>> >=20 >>> > I like the idea to release the final logo in the release date of=20 >>> Pandoc 2.0.=20 >>> > Because meaning (like a story or literature) is important to be=20 >>> impressively=20 >>> > remembered for people.=20 >>> >>> It seems clear to me that jgm is the only person who can choose an=20 >>> official pandoc logo.=20 >>> >>> However, we, as an community, can still vote on a logo. It won't be=20 >>> official pandoc logo, but the community logo which can be used to brand= =20 >>> projects build with or around pandoc. Of course that logo could be=20 >>> changed as soon as an official logo is chosen.=20 >>> >>> My suggestion would be to wait a little while longer before doing any= =20 >>> voting, e.g. until the first of March.=20 >>> >> =E2=80=8B > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pandoc-discuss" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To post to this group, send email to pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= pandoc-discuss/69f81ef7-1597-4a2f-a045-42d696992c03%40googlegroups.com. 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Well, from the idea of the octagon, I sketch that :

<= a imageanchor=3D"1" href=3D"https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-UXwRLqtmrCQ/= WIHNZQammwI/AAAAAAAADYA/fybcrfypiTceeZ3F9kEoPnbxuH0AIIfyQCLcB/s1600/pandoc_= octagon.png" style=3D"margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;">

It's a very rough draft= , and for sure links in the=C2=A0background will not scale very well. Maybe= replacing them with some arrows like the RMarkdown logo inside the octagon= (reducing the letters if necessary) worth mentioning.

=
Regards.

Le jeudi 19 janvier 2017 20:09:26 UTC+1, Kolen Cheung = a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:

(I included the i= mage below so one need not to click into it. But let me know if it troubles= you and I will use links next time.)

More on the rmarkdown =E2=80=9Clogo=E2=80= =9D

  • are you sure it is a logo? Because when I go to = their = website, it is nowhere to be seen. And a search on =E2=80=9Crmarkdown=E2=80=9D logo on Google Image only have this o= n a few results. Would it just be an illustration (say people showing on pr= esentations) on what rmarkdown is?

  • What I said earlier does not mean that the image= 3D"PNG" would be a good logo design (it mig= ht very well not be a logo): it is too busy, and would get lost when viewed= in small scale/far away.

  • The image above and the octagon concept I had ea= rlier on is basically the same concept. I think this is also a good illustr= ation that when viewing any of the concepts here, we should think of the ab= stract form of it, rather than sticking to the actual manifestation of the = original concept. (e.g. in pop songs, the demo and the final product sounds= really different, but whoever is screening the demos will need to look pas= s its current form and visualize the potentials in the concept)

Judging criteria?

I think this last point above c= annot be stressed enough especially if there would be some sort of poll. Th= e judging criteria should not be biased towards how finished the concepts w= as, but focus on the potential it has (because none of them are finished pr= oducts). So it might be beneficial to have 2 polls where the 1st one is for= selecting candidates for refinement. The would be the main difficulties of= a poll, and personally I think it would be easier that the first screening= is done by @jgm alone (let say @jgm gave us the 3 concepts he likes most, = and as a community we push the design of all 3 concepts, and then poll for = 1).

Another idea

Another idea is from the diagra= m in Pandoc - About pandoc: = 3D"diagram" (whi= ch is =E2=80=9Cfractal-ish=E2=80=9D). When I was a newbies in pandoc, every= time I visited pandoc.org I was fa= scinated by that diagram. That diagram points from formats to formats (so n= ot having a central =E2=80=9CAST=E2=80=9D element). This sparks a concept t= hat involves something like (just Google search results) 3D"this" or 3D"this" on an octagon (I = might draw one when I have time. Others can use this idea too).

And I hope this last paragraphs= shows that I=E2=80=99m impartial to having a central =E2=80=9CAST=E2=80=9D= or not. But I think a key to creative processes is not to ban ideas too ea= rly. It is like one=E2=80=99s drawing a mind map. When you=E2=80=99re brain= -storming, a certain path might seem a dead-end. But if you cross out that = path too early, you might have eliminated a solution prematurely. One would= just ignored that path, until you brainstorm something worth pursuing ther= e. And in the end, how good is a design if it isn=E2=80=99t impressive enou= gh for people to ask the philosophy behind it?

On Thursday, January 19, 2017 a= t 12:47:49 AM UTC-8, Sergio Correia wrote:

Personally, I wouldn't use a = logo chosen without the approval of John; would feel a bit rude tbh. That s= aid, we can vote on proposals and pick our favorites, in order to frame the= discussion.


About the logo:
It's also interesting to see how the rmarkdown folks= look at this:

http:/= /rmarkdown.rstudio.com/images/RMarkdownOutputFormats.png
<= /div>





On Thursday,= January 19, 2017 at 3:03:55 AM UTC-5, Albert Krewinkel wrote:
=E8=97=A4=E5=8E=9F=E7=94=B1=E6=9D=A5 <sky.y...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:

> Then, as some people say, we need commitment of logo in this group= (not only in
> this thread).=20
>
> I like the idea to release the final logo in the release date of P= andoc 2.0.
> Because meaning (like a story or literature) is important to be im= pressively
> remembered for people.=20

It seems clear to me that jgm is the only person who can choose an
official pandoc logo.

However, we, as an community, can still vote on a logo. It won't be
official pandoc logo, but the community logo which can be used to brand
projects build with or around pandoc. =C2=A0Of course that logo could b= e
changed as soon as an official logo is chosen.

My suggestion would be to wait a little while longer before doing any
voting, e.g. until the first of March.

=E2=80=8B

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