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Tue, 21 Jan 2020 14:05:32 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org Original-Received: by 2002:a05:6830:4a4:: with SMTP id l4ls6708069otd.11.gmail; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 14:05:30 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 2002:a9d:6211:: with SMTP id g17mr5062886otj.168.1579644329599; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 14:05:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: christian.kolen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org Precedence: list Mailing-list: list pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org; contact pandoc-discuss+owners-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1007024079513 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.text.pandoc:24257 Archived-At: ------=_Part_2040_2023415178.1579644328792 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2041_512088527.1579644328792" ------=_Part_2041_512088527.1579644328792 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Saturday, January 18, 2020 at 3:53:13 PM UTC-8, John MacFarlane wrote: > > > I'm really not sure what to say: people here seem to want > a logo much more than I do, so I feel a lot of pressure. > But since I don't think we NEED a logo, I'm not going to go > to go for one unless it really looks right. > For me I don't think I need a pandoc logo. But as someone who loves pandoc and want other people to use pandoc too, a logo is good PR. I think most people here probably think this way, as a logo really is for promotion, for public recognition. There's many kinds of things we want to improve pandoc, and one kind is basically to make other people use it so that I can keep using it. (e.g. why someone want to make pandoc documents more reproducible is that if so it makes it possible to collaborate using pandoc and hence one can stay using pandoc when collaborating, to over-simplify the issue.) > > I actually think this one by Alexis is pretty nice, though > now it has been accused of amateurism. Well, I'm not a graphic > designer, so I wouldn't know. But I like it better than the other > proposals of reverse pilcrows in boxes. > I don't think it is as negative as those wordings appears to be. The chain of thoughts in those conversations above (if I interpret correctly) was that we weren't designers so we hit a creativity wall. Recall we almost had a decision years ago that when it came to the design stage (after having 5 good candidates from concepts only), but then we hit a roadblock that no one can turn those nice concepts into presentable logo. IMO the one from Alexis is good enough to use as is. It is not only a good concept but a deliverable product. (Yes it can be improved but it is publishable as is, and over time when someone has the talent and time to improve we should allow room for that.) So IMO if that's the one you like, then why not. Sure different people has slightly different preferences and may have our own philosophical biases. But I don't think anyone hate that logo. It is more a matter of can we do better. But if the most important opinion here thinks that's better then I don't think you'd have strong opposition since it is not bad. > > I do think that it makes sense, if we have a logo, to have > the canonical version be a particular vector image, and not > just, say, a reverse pilcrow typeset any old way. That's not a > logo, it's just a symbol. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/6af5e7cd-39a3-43c8-ae25-db4972b72b6a%40googlegroups.com. ------=_Part_2041_512088527.1579644328792 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Saturday, January 18, 2020 at 3:53:13 PM UTC-8,= John MacFarlane wrote:

I'm really not sure what to say: =C2=A0people here seem to want
a logo much more than I do, so I feel a lot of pressure.
But since I don't think we NEED a logo, I'm not going to go
to go for one unless it really looks right.

For me I don't think I need a pand= oc logo. But as someone who loves pandoc and want other people to use pando= c too, a logo is good PR. I think most people here probably think this way,= as a logo really is for promotion, for public recognition. There's man= y kinds of things we want to improve pandoc, and one kind is basically to m= ake other people use it so that I can keep using it. (e.g. why someone want= to make pandoc documents more reproducible is that if so it makes it possi= ble to collaborate using pandoc and hence one can stay using pandoc when co= llaborating, to over-simplify the issue.)

I actually think this one by Alexis is pretty nice, though
now it has been accused of amateurism. Well, I'm not a graphic
designer, so I wouldn't know. But I like it better than the other
proposals of reverse pilcrows in boxes.

I don't think it is as negative as= those wordings appears to be. The chain of thoughts in those conversations= above (if I interpret correctly) was that we weren't designers so we h= it a creativity wall. Recall we almost had a decision years ago that when i= t came to the design stage (after having 5 good candidates from concepts on= ly), but then we hit a roadblock that no one can turn those nice concepts i= nto presentable logo. IMO the one from Alexis is good enough to use as is. = It is not only a good concept but a deliverable product. (Yes it can be imp= roved but it is publishable as is, and over time when someone has the talen= t and time to improve we should allow room for that.)

<= div>So IMO if that's the one you like, then why not. Sure different peo= ple has slightly different preferences and may have our own philosophical b= iases. But I don't think anyone hate that logo. It is more a matter of = can we do better. But if the most important opinion here thinks that's = better then I don't think you'd have strong opposition since it is = not bad.
=C2=A0

I do think that it makes sense, if we have a logo, to have
the canonical version be a particular vector image, and not
just, say, a reverse pilcrow typeset any old way. That's not a
logo, it's just a symbol.

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