APA citations: page number only (or at end)?

APA citations: page number only (or at end)?

[Joseph Reagle]

I haven't used the author/year format in a while and I wonder what's the current best practice for the typical APA pattern:

```
According to Jones (1998), "students often had difficulty using APA style, especially when it was their first time" (p. 199).
```

Do we still have to manually format the page number?

```
According to @Jones1998, "students often had difficulty using APA style, especially when it was their first time" (p. 199).
```

Instead of suppressing author and year (with a double hyphen, for example):

```
According to @Jones1998, "students often had difficulty using APA style, especially when it was their first time" [--@Jones1998, p. 199].
```

Re: APA citations: page number only (or at end)?

[Joseph Reagle]

Also, has any thought been given to the processing of apostrophes with citations such that the following would work:

```
as well as @Sanger2014hwc's interest in
```

instead of needing to:

```
as well as Sanger's [-@Sanger2014hwc] interest in
```

Re: APA citations: page number only (or at end)?

[John MacFarlane]

I've been wanting this too.  You could propose on the tracker
a way to specify just the locator.  I don't know about the syntax
though.  Maybe double dash would work well, as you suggest.
Does anyone have any reactions to this one way or the other?


Joseph Reagle <joseph.2011-T1oY19WcHSwdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org> writes:

> I haven't used the author/year format in a while and I wonder what's the current best practice for the typical APA pattern:
>
> ```
> According to Jones (1998), "students often had difficulty using APA style, especially when it was their first time" (p. 199).
> ```
>
> Do we still have to manually format the page number?
>
> ```
> According to @Jones1998, "students often had difficulty using APA style, especially when it was their first time" (p. 199).
> ```
>
> Instead of suppressing author and year (with a double hyphen, for example):
>
> ```
> According to @Jones1998, "students often had difficulty using APA style, especially when it was their first time" [--@Jones1998, p. 199].
> ```
>
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Re: APA citations: page number only (or at end)?

[Joseph Reagle]

Okay:


locator only citation (at end of sentence) #7205

https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues/7205


apostrophe's within citations #7206

https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues/7206

Re: APA citations: page number only (or at end)?

[Bruce D'Arcus]

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I usually just put the author at the end.

But FWIW, and I'm not sure how well it would translate to a plain text 
context like this, Frank Bennett added the ability to add "infixes" to 
citations using citeproc-js. 

https://citeproc-js.readthedocs.io/en/latest/running.html#special-citation-forms

On Monday, April 5, 2021 at 3:45:27 PM UTC-4 Joseph wrote:

> Okay:
>
>
> locator only citation (at end of sentence) #7205
>
> https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues/7205
>
>
> apostrophe's within citations #7206
>
> https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues/7206
>

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Re: APA citations: page number only (or at end)?

[Joseph Reagle]

#7206 is closed, but I think it merits re-opening as there is one bug and one issue -- running 2.14.0.2.

First, if there's another apostrophe in the sentence, the smart punctuation is backwards.
Second, I expected the apostrophe to be on the last last name, not after the parentheses.

https://reagle.org/joseph/2016/04/min-eg/cite-apostrophe.md ->

https://reagle.org/joseph/2016/04/min-eg/cite-apostrophe.html



On 21-04-05 14:45, John MacFarlane wrote:
> I've been wanting this too.  You could propose on the tracker
> a way to specify just the locator.  I don't know about the syntax
> though.  Maybe double dash would work well, as you suggest.
> Does anyone have any reactions to this one way or the other?
> 
> 
> Joseph Reagle <joseph.2011-T1oY19WcHSwdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org> writes:
> 
>> I haven't used the author/year format in a while and I wonder what's the current best practice for the typical APA pattern:
>>
>> ```
>> According to Jones (1998), "students often had difficulty using APA style, especially when it was their first time" (p. 199).
>> ```
>>
>> Do we still have to manually format the page number?
>>
>> ```
>> According to @Jones1998, "students often had difficulty using APA style, especially when it was their first time" (p. 199).
>> ```
>>
>> Instead of suppressing author and year (with a double hyphen, for example):
>>
>> ```
>> According to @Jones1998, "students often had difficulty using APA style, especially when it was their first time" [--@Jones1998, p. 199].
>> ```

Re: APA citations: page number only (or at end)?

[John MacFarlane]

You can submit new issues for these if you like (two separate
ones please).  But I don't know if I'm inclined to do anything
about the first one.  We'd need some magic method of converting
material after the citation into a suffix of the name.  Sometimes
you want this, sometimes y,ou don't.

Joseph Reagle <joseph.2011-T1oY19WcHSwdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org> writes:

> #7206 is closed, but I think it merits re-opening as there is one bug and one issue -- running 2.14.0.2.
>
> First, if there's another apostrophe in the sentence, the smart punctuation is backwards.
> Second, I expected the apostrophe to be on the last last name, not after the parentheses.
>
> https://reagle.org/joseph/2016/04/min-eg/cite-apostrophe.md ->
>
> https://reagle.org/joseph/2016/04/min-eg/cite-apostrophe.html
>
>
>
> On 21-04-05 14:45, John MacFarlane wrote:
>> I've been wanting this too.  You could propose on the tracker
>> a way to specify just the locator.  I don't know about the syntax
>> though.  Maybe double dash would work well, as you suggest.
>> Does anyone have any reactions to this one way or the other?
>> 
>> 
>> Joseph Reagle <joseph.2011-T1oY19WcHSwdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org> writes:
>> 
>>> I haven't used the author/year format in a while and I wonder what's the current best practice for the typical APA pattern:
>>>
>>> ```
>>> According to Jones (1998), "students often had difficulty using APA style, especially when it was their first time" (p. 199).
>>> ```
>>>
>>> Do we still have to manually format the page number?
>>>
>>> ```
>>> According to @Jones1998, "students often had difficulty using APA style, especially when it was their first time" (p. 199).
>>> ```
>>>
>>> Instead of suppressing author and year (with a double hyphen, for example):
>>>
>>> ```
>>> According to @Jones1998, "students often had difficulty using APA style, especially when it was their first time" [--@Jones1998, p. 199].
>>> ```
>
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Re: APA citations: page number only (or at end)?

[Joseph Reagle]

Okay:

https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues/7384

https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues/7385

On 21-06-15 15:37, John MacFarlane wrote:
> But I don't know if I'm inclined to do anything
> about the first one.  We'd need some magic method of converting
> material after the citation into a suffix of the name.  Sometimes
> you want this, sometimes y,ou don't.