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I also mu= ch appreciate the typographic and presentational benefits of LaTeX. But LaT= eX markup of content imposes too much distraction and cognitive load for my= taste. For this reason I was so enthusiastic about the LaTeX markdown pack= age upon first encounter that I wrote a book striving to demonstrate how it= can help self-publishers efficiently publish more beautiful books. Hope to= launch by early fall. That said, at my level of inexperience and limited skill with TeX//LaTeX, = the LaTeX markdown package falls short in two important ways: 1. Control over vertical spacing 2. Scaling and placement of images And more, I feel that the syntactic bridge between the LaTeX markdown packa= ge and the full expressive power of TeX/LaTeX needs further thought and dev= elopment. I would much applaud a markup system that is as easy to learn, read, and wr= ite as markdown but with a simple syntactic bridge into the full power of L= aTeX similar to the that between HTML and CSS. All the best, LRP Sent from my iPad > On Jul 14, 2022, at 7:00 PM, Leonard Rosenthol w= rote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > Very interesting, John! I like the idea of a fixed set of goals (which i= nvolved simplicity of implementation) and sticking to them! >=20 > Leonard >=20 >> On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 5:57 PM John MacFarlane wrote= : >> I've been designing a new light markup syntax, based on the ideas in my = essay "Beyond Markdown" (https://johnmacfarlane.net/beyond-markdown.html). = I thought readers of this list might be interested. The language and its = rationale are described here: https://github.com/jgm/djot >>=20 >> The repository also contains a very fast parser written in pure Lua. A = pandoc custom reader and custom writer are also provided, so you can conver= t your favorite formats to and from djot. >>=20 >> The syntax is briefly described here: https://djot.net/playground/syntax= .html >>=20 >> You can play with the implementation here: https://djot.net/playground/ >>=20 >> John >>=20 >> --=20 >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s "pandoc-discuss" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send a= n email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg= id/pandoc-discuss/EF9566B8-7F8B-49BD-9FFB-B370750C73BF%40berkeley.edu. >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "pandoc-discuss" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an= email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgi= d/pandoc-discuss/CALu%3Dv3LE%2Bb5xZzTzETK-uJbR64D8O49f6dQ5KGKS_hhzY1q4dQ%40= mail.gmail.com. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pandoc-discuss" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= pandoc-discuss/76177E55-BE86-4425-A24B-B1849B54B3B4%40writersglen.com. --Apple-Mail-6054A504-F164-4A7D-AB3B-38B4C6B4248C Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi John,

As a w= riter/self-publisher, I value time and workflow efficiency. I also much app= reciate the typographic and presentational benefits of LaTeX. But LaTeX mar= kup of content imposes too much distraction and cognitive load for my taste= . For this reason I was so enthusiastic about the LaTeX markdown package up= on first encounter that I wrote a book striving to demonstrate how it can h= elp self-publishers efficiently publish more beautiful books. Hope to launc= h by early fall.

 That said, at my level of i= nexperience and limited skill with TeX//LaTeX, the LaTeX markdown package f= alls short in two important ways:

1. Control over = vertical spacing
2. Scaling and placement of images
And more, I feel that the syntactic bridge between the LaTeX ma= rkdown package and the full expressive power of TeX/LaTeX needs further tho= ught and development.

I would much applaud a marku= p system that is as easy to learn, read, and write as markdown but with a s= imple syntactic bridge into the full power of LaTeX similar to the that bet= ween HTML and CSS.

All the best,

LRP

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 14, 2022, at 7:00 PM, Leonard= Rosenthol <leonardr-bM6h3K5UM15l57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> wrote:

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=EF=BB=BF
Very i= nteresting, John!  I like the idea of a fixed set of goals (which invo= lved simplicity of implementation) and sticking to them!

Leonard

On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 5:57 PM John MacFarlane <jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> wrote:
I've been designing a new ligh= t markup syntax, based on the ideas in my essay "Beyond Markdown" (https://johnmacfarlane.net/beyond-markdown.html).  = I thought readers of this list might be interested.  The language and = its rationale are described here:  https://github.com/jgm/djot
The repository also contains a very fast parser written in pure Lua.  = A pandoc custom reader and custom writer are also provided, so you can conv= ert your favorite formats to and from djot.

The syntax is briefly described here: https://djot.net/playgr= ound/syntax.html

You can play with the implementation here: https://djot.net/playground/<= /a>

John

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