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* LaTeX to PDF doesn't retain custom format
@ 2017-12-13 22:57 Steven Wareham
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From: Steven Wareham @ 2017-12-13 22:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
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I'm testing creating PDFs from a custom LaTeX template. In the LaTeX 
template I have set margins, colors, font sizes, etc. I've used some 
packages to help customize how the title, authors, and header appears. 
Titling, for example.

I'm running PanDoc on this from the terminal: pandoc test.tex -s -o 
test_pandoc.pdf

The PDF output I get looks like a very generic PDF using the article 
document class. I'm using TeXStudio to edit the LaTex file and the PDF 
produced from that has all the custom formatting added to the document.

Is there something I have missed that allows Pandoc to produce the PDF from 
LateX using all custom commands, similar to how a TeX editor produces the 
PDF? 

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* Re: LaTeX to PDF doesn't retain custom format
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From: Ivan Lazar Miljenovic @ 2017-12-13 23:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 14 December 2017 at 09:57, Steven Wareham <sdwareham-bdq14YP6qtRg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> I'm testing creating PDFs from a custom LaTeX template. In the LaTeX
> template I have set margins, colors, font sizes, etc. I've used some
> packages to help customize how the title, authors, and header appears.
> Titling, for example.
>
> I'm running PanDoc on this from the terminal: pandoc test.tex -s -o
> test_pandoc.pdf

Is there any particular reason you are using Pandoc to do LaTeX -> PDF
rather than running pdflatex or similar?

Also, how are you specifying which template you want to use?

>
> The PDF output I get looks like a very generic PDF using the article
> document class. I'm using TeXStudio to edit the LaTex file and the PDF
> produced from that has all the custom formatting added to the document.
>
> Is there something I have missed that allows Pandoc to produce the PDF from
> LateX using all custom commands, similar to how a TeX editor produces the
> PDF?
>
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* Re: LaTeX to PDF doesn't retain custom format
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From: Ivan Lazar Miljenovic @ 2017-12-13 23:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 14 December 2017 at 10:16, Ivan Lazar Miljenovic
<ivan.miljenovic-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> On 14 December 2017 at 09:57, Steven Wareham <sdwareham-bdq14YP6qtRg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> I'm testing creating PDFs from a custom LaTeX template. In the LaTeX
>> template I have set margins, colors, font sizes, etc. I've used some
>> packages to help customize how the title, authors, and header appears.
>> Titling, for example.
>>
>> I'm running PanDoc on this from the terminal: pandoc test.tex -s -o
>> test_pandoc.pdf
>
> Is there any particular reason you are using Pandoc to do LaTeX -> PDF
> rather than running pdflatex or similar?
>
> Also, how are you specifying which template you want to use?

To be more clear: pandoc in this case (IIRC) is taking in the .tex
file, parsing the subset of LaTeX that it understands (and thus
possibly discarding the rest including any custom stylings you have
put into your .tex file), creating a new .tex file (using the default
LaTeX template as you haven't specified another one) then running
pdflatex on that to create the PDF.

>
>>
>> The PDF output I get looks like a very generic PDF using the article
>> document class. I'm using TeXStudio to edit the LaTex file and the PDF
>> produced from that has all the custom formatting added to the document.
>>
>> Is there something I have missed that allows Pandoc to produce the PDF from
>> LateX using all custom commands, similar to how a TeX editor produces the
>> PDF?
>>
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* Re: LaTeX to PDF doesn't retain custom format
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@ 2017-12-14  0:02           ` Steven Wareham
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From: Steven Wareham @ 2017-12-14  0:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Thanks for the helpful information! I'm testing Pandoc as I'm ultimately 
looking for a solution that can run a batch LaTeX to PDF process, possibly 
as a web service. 

So perhaps what I need to do is pull out the custom formatting and put that 
into a separate template, then reference that when using Pandoc to covert 
to PDF? Can this be accomplished by creating a custom package and document 
class? I see there is the document class option than can be passed to 
pandoc. 

Or perhaps I should use the --template option and first customize the 
default LaTeX template? Since you mention that Pandoc understands a subset 
of LaTex and discards the rest, perhaps adding these new commands to the 
template will allow Pandoc to process them?
 

On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 at 3:18:11 PM UTC-8, Ivan Miljenovic wrote:
>
> On 14 December 2017 at 10:16, Ivan Lazar Miljenovic 
> <ivan.mi...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org <javascript:>> wrote: 
> > On 14 December 2017 at 09:57, Steven Wareham <sdwa...-bdq14YP6qtRg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org 
> <javascript:>> wrote: 
> >> I'm testing creating PDFs from a custom LaTeX template. In the LaTeX 
> >> template I have set margins, colors, font sizes, etc. I've used some 
> >> packages to help customize how the title, authors, and header appears. 
> >> Titling, for example. 
> >> 
> >> I'm running PanDoc on this from the terminal: pandoc test.tex -s -o 
> >> test_pandoc.pdf 
> > 
> > Is there any particular reason you are using Pandoc to do LaTeX -> PDF 
> > rather than running pdflatex or similar? 
> > 
> > Also, how are you specifying which template you want to use? 
>
> To be more clear: pandoc in this case (IIRC) is taking in the .tex 
> file, parsing the subset of LaTeX that it understands (and thus 
> possibly discarding the rest including any custom stylings you have 
> put into your .tex file), creating a new .tex file (using the default 
> LaTeX template as you haven't specified another one) then running 
> pdflatex on that to create the PDF. 
>
> > 
> >> 
> >> The PDF output I get looks like a very generic PDF using the article 
> >> document class. I'm using TeXStudio to edit the LaTex file and the PDF 
> >> produced from that has all the custom formatting added to the document. 
> >> 
> >> Is there something I have missed that allows Pandoc to produce the PDF 
> from 
> >> LateX using all custom commands, similar to how a TeX editor produces 
> the 
> >> PDF? 
> >> 
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* Re: LaTeX to PDF doesn't retain custom format
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From: John MacFarlane @ 2017-12-14  4:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
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If you want to batch convert LaTeX to PDF, then you can
just use pdflatex, xelatex, or a wrapper like latexmk.
That will give you much better results than using pandoc,
unless I'm missing something about what you're trying to do.

+++ Steven Wareham [Dec 13 17 16:02 ]:
>   Thanks for the helpful information! I'm testing Pandoc as I'm
>   ultimately looking for a solution that can run a batch LaTeX to PDF
>   process, possibly as a web service.
>   So perhaps what I need to do is pull out the custom formatting and put
>   that into a separate template, then reference that when using Pandoc to
>   covert to PDF? Can this be accomplished by creating a custom package
>   and document class? I see there is the document class option than can
>   be passed to pandoc.
>   Or perhaps I should use the --template option and first customize the
>   default LaTeX template? Since you mention that Pandoc understands a
>   subset of LaTex and discards the rest, perhaps adding these new
>   commands to the template will allow Pandoc to process them?
>
>   On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 at 3:18:11 PM UTC-8, Ivan Miljenovic
>   wrote:
>
>     On 14 December 2017 at 10:16, Ivan Lazar Miljenovic
>     <[1]ivan.mi...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>     > On 14 December 2017 at 09:57, Steven Wareham
>     <[2]sdwa...-bdq14YP6qtRg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>     >> I'm testing creating PDFs from a custom LaTeX template. In the
>     LaTeX
>     >> template I have set margins, colors, font sizes, etc. I've used
>     some
>     >> packages to help customize how the title, authors, and header
>     appears.
>     >> Titling, for example.
>     >>
>     >> I'm running PanDoc on this from the terminal: pandoc test.tex -s
>     -o
>     >> test_pandoc.pdf
>     >
>     > Is there any particular reason you are using Pandoc to do LaTeX ->
>     PDF
>     > rather than running pdflatex or similar?
>     >
>     > Also, how are you specifying which template you want to use?
>     To be more clear: pandoc in this case (IIRC) is taking in the .tex
>     file, parsing the subset of LaTeX that it understands (and thus
>     possibly discarding the rest including any custom stylings you have
>     put into your .tex file), creating a new .tex file (using the
>     default
>     LaTeX template as you haven't specified another one) then running
>     pdflatex on that to create the PDF.
>     >
>     >>
>     >> The PDF output I get looks like a very generic PDF using the
>     article
>     >> document class. I'm using TeXStudio to edit the LaTex file and
>     the PDF
>     >> produced from that has all the custom formatting added to the
>     document.
>     >>
>     >> Is there something I have missed that allows Pandoc to produce
>     the PDF from
>     >> LateX using all custom commands, similar to how a TeX editor
>     produces the
>     >> PDF?
>     >>
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* Re: LaTeX to PDF doesn't retain custom format
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@ 2017-12-14 21:56                   ` Steven Wareham
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From: Steven Wareham @ 2017-12-14 21:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: pandoc-discuss


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Thank you for the suggestion. After trying out pdflatex it does look like 
it will accomplish what I'm looking for and I can build a web service 
around it. Perfect. Thanks for your help!

On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 at 8:01:59 PM UTC-8, John MacFarlane wrote:
>
> If you want to batch convert LaTeX to PDF, then you can 
> just use pdflatex, xelatex, or a wrapper like latexmk. 
> That will give you much better results than using pandoc, 
> unless I'm missing something about what you're trying to do. 
>
> +++ Steven Wareham [Dec 13 17 16:02 ]: 
> >   Thanks for the helpful information! I'm testing Pandoc as I'm 
> >   ultimately looking for a solution that can run a batch LaTeX to PDF 
> >   process, possibly as a web service. 
> >   So perhaps what I need to do is pull out the custom formatting and put 
> >   that into a separate template, then reference that when using Pandoc 
> to 
> >   covert to PDF? Can this be accomplished by creating a custom package 
> >   and document class? I see there is the document class option than can 
> >   be passed to pandoc. 
> >   Or perhaps I should use the --template option and first customize the 
> >   default LaTeX template? Since you mention that Pandoc understands a 
> >   subset of LaTex and discards the rest, perhaps adding these new 
> >   commands to the template will allow Pandoc to process them? 
> > 
> >   On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 at 3:18:11 PM UTC-8, Ivan Miljenovic 
> >   wrote: 
> > 
> >     On 14 December 2017 at 10:16, Ivan Lazar Miljenovic 
> >     <[1]ivan.mi...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: 
> >     > On 14 December 2017 at 09:57, Steven Wareham 
> >     <[2]sdwa...-bdq14YP6qtRg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> wrote: 
> >     >> I'm testing creating PDFs from a custom LaTeX template. In the 
> >     LaTeX 
> >     >> template I have set margins, colors, font sizes, etc. I've used 
> >     some 
> >     >> packages to help customize how the title, authors, and header 
> >     appears. 
> >     >> Titling, for example. 
> >     >> 
> >     >> I'm running PanDoc on this from the terminal: pandoc test.tex -s 
> >     -o 
> >     >> test_pandoc.pdf 
> >     > 
> >     > Is there any particular reason you are using Pandoc to do LaTeX -> 
> >     PDF 
> >     > rather than running pdflatex or similar? 
> >     > 
> >     > Also, how are you specifying which template you want to use? 
> >     To be more clear: pandoc in this case (IIRC) is taking in the .tex 
> >     file, parsing the subset of LaTeX that it understands (and thus 
> >     possibly discarding the rest including any custom stylings you have 
> >     put into your .tex file), creating a new .tex file (using the 
> >     default 
> >     LaTeX template as you haven't specified another one) then running 
> >     pdflatex on that to create the PDF. 
> >     > 
> >     >> 
> >     >> The PDF output I get looks like a very generic PDF using the 
> >     article 
> >     >> document class. I'm using TeXStudio to edit the LaTex file and 
> >     the PDF 
> >     >> produced from that has all the custom formatting added to the 
> >     document. 
> >     >> 
> >     >> Is there something I have missed that allows Pandoc to produce 
> >     the PDF from 
> >     >> LateX using all custom commands, similar to how a TeX editor 
> >     produces the 
> >     >> PDF? 
> >     >> 
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> >   -9e54-19d7202f2373%40googlegroups.com. 
> >   For more options, visit [14]https://groups.google.com/d/optout. 
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> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/6d975ed0-269d-47fa-8fbd-6f5e172c6a04-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org 
> >   6. https://groups.google.com/d/optout 
> >   7. javascript:/ 
> >   8. http://IvanMiljenovic.wordpress.com/ 
> >   9. javascript:/ 
> >  10. http://IvanMiljenovic.wordpress.com/ 
> >  11. mailto:pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <javascript:> 
> >  12. mailto:pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <javascript:> 
> >  13. 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/a2d1e88c-645a-458f-9e54-19d7202f2373-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer 
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