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I should have mentioned where you could get the info than just= =20 saying it=E2=80=99s there It is mentioned in the manual in a subtle way. After you read this thread= =20 then you=E2=80=99d understand the wordings in the manual means it is not bi= jective.=20 (I forgot what wording it uses, but the problem is that the info is there= =20 but sometimes not immediately recognizable. May be it didn=E2=80=99t use th= e word=20 lossy, but did mention it=E2=80=99s limitation.) It is also frequently mentioned in this pandoc-discuss. And in fact I was= =20 in your shoes asking for this years ago and wrote a summary on this here.= =20 Ie rather than searching the whole web, searching pandoc-discuss would be= =20 more fruitful. But sometimes the search here aren=E2=80=99t great, ironically I think sear= ching in=20 google with a phase of pandoc-discuss might help narrow it down better. Also, I share your frustration that stuffs we ask/mention are almost always= =20 out there but just that we can=E2=80=99t discover that. So rather than temp= ting=20 others to correct you (that the info does exist), simply asking it might be= =20 better, and that=E2=80=99s what pandoc-discuss is for. Unlike GitHub issue = where=20 people should obey much stricter rule of not emitting noise (frequently=20 violated in pandoc=E2=80=99s issue tracker unfortunately and people are too= kind to=20 suppress them), pandoc-discuss is for any pandoc related questions,=20 repeated or not. On Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 2:22:48 PM UTC-7 Jeffrey Wang wrote: > Great, thanks for the insight everybody, especially John's confirmation= =20 > seals the deal. > > In response to "there's actually lots of info about this", I apologize=20 > that Google's search engine was not strong enough to find me this=20 > information. I also apologize that I did not invent Google and add semant= ic=20 > search to it. I promise I have tried hard to search for this information= =20 > before bothering anybody, and I very much appreciate the explicit=20 > clarification. > > Regards, > *Jeffrey Wang* > jeffw...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org > > > On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 3:25 PM christi...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org =20 > wrote: > >> There=E2=80=99s actually lots of info about this. Pandoc is not even ide= mpotent,=20 >> let alone bijective. >> >> So no, you cannot depend on this especially if you want to convert it=20 >> back and forth a lot of times. >> >> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 3:23:12 PM UTC-7 Jeffrey Wang wrote: >> >>> I was not able to find any concrete information establishing the answer= =20 >>> to this question. I ask this to see how much I can depend on using Pand= oc=20 >>> for an application that would convert back and forth between two format= s,=20 >>> one for storage/authoritative purposes and the other for rendering/disp= lay=20 >>> purposes. 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To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= pandoc-discuss/81417776-15c4-4dfb-8229-0dc15614c88dn%40googlegroups.com. ------=_Part_371_1341662555.1620164048378 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No worries. I should have mentioned where you could get the info than just = saying it=E2=80=99s there

It is mentioned in the manual = in a subtle way. After you read this thread then you=E2=80=99d understand t= he wordings in the manual means it is not bijective. (I forgot what wording= it uses, but the problem is that the info is there but sometimes not immed= iately recognizable. May be it didn=E2=80=99t use the word lossy, but did m= ention it=E2=80=99s limitation.)

It is also freque= ntly mentioned in this pandoc-discuss. And in fact I was in your shoes aski= ng for this years ago and wrote a summary on this here. Ie rather than sear= ching the whole web, searching pandoc-discuss would be more fruitful.
=

But sometimes the search here aren=E2=80=99t great, iro= nically I think searching in google with a phase of pandoc-discuss might he= lp narrow it down better.

Also, I share your frust= ration that stuffs we ask/mention are almost always out there but just that= we can=E2=80=99t discover that. So rather than tempting others to correct = you (that the info does exist), simply asking it might be better, and that= =E2=80=99s what pandoc-discuss is for. Unlike GitHub issue where people sho= uld obey much stricter rule of not emitting noise (frequently violated in p= andoc=E2=80=99s issue tracker unfortunately and people are too kind to supp= ress them), pandoc-discuss is for any pandoc related questions, repeated or= not.

On Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 2:22:48 PM UTC-7 Jeffrey Wang w= rote:
Great, thank= s for the=C2=A0insight everybody, especially John's confirmation seals = the deal.

In response to &quo= t;there's actually lots of info about this", I apologize that=C2= =A0Google's search engine was not strong enough to find me this informa= tion. I also apologize that=C2=A0I did not invent Google and add semantic s= earch to it. I promise I have tried hard to search for this information bef= ore bothering anybody, and I very much appreciate the explicit clarificatio= n.

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On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 3:25 PM = christi...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org <christi...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:=
There=E2=80=99s actually lots of info about this. Pandoc = is not even idempotent, let alone bijective.

So no, you = cannot depend on this especially if you want to convert it back and forth a= lot of times.

On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 3:23:12 PM UTC-7 Jeffrey Wang = wrote:
I was not= able to find any concrete information establishing the answer to this ques= tion. I ask this to see how much I can depend on using Pandoc for an applic= ation that would convert back and forth between two formats, one for storag= e/authoritative purposes and the other for rendering/display purposes. Than= ks!

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