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I don't think the generated documents would count as redistributions of the templates. They are derivative works, certainly, which is relevant to the GPL license but maybe not BSD? What I can say is that I certainly never intended a requirement that documents generated using these templates contain a copyright or license notice. > On Jul 19, 2023, at 5:14 PM, 'Julian Reich' via pandoc-discuss wrote: > > Hi, > > I'd like to ask for clarification on the license terms for pandoc's default template files. > According to the COPYRIGHT file, pandoc's templates can be licensed under either the GPL version 2 (or any later version) or the 3-clause BSD license. > Taking these licenses literally, I've come to the conclusion that we might be required to include a copyright notice and the license text (of our choice) in the documents generated from these templates (and/or in the accompanying materials). > This would not be a problem per se, pandoc is a great and immensely useful tool, and we want to make sure we are using it in accordance with its license terms. > However, while I suppose you could interpret the license terms that way, I'm not so sure that was the intent. > > For example from the 3-clause BSD license: > > > 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. > > > > 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution. > > I guess it boils down to whether the generated documents are considered "redistributions" of the templates. > I may be way off (not a lawyer), but perhaps others have also wondered about this, and it might even be worth adding some clarifying wording to the COPYRIGHT file. > > > Regards, > Julian Reich > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/cf5d7116-e4c5-4a4b-923d-6b3b275d16e4n%40googlegroups.com.