From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.text.pandoc/7194 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nick Bart Newsgroups: gmane.text.pandoc Subject: Re: Decoupling citeproc and highlighting-kate from pandoc Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 02:02:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <83ebfc01-27a8-4f45-a3f8-3ee4378e66e2@googlegroups.com> References: <20130825191545.GA80583@Johns-MacBook-Air-2.local> <28ef090f-b33e-4fd1-91cb-5da1eadf386b@googlegroups.com> <5220F425.5050002@reagle.org> <20130831152309.GA39551@Johns-MacBook-Pro.local> <03d50535-8cba-4844-958d-2a8fc1ee77b1@googlegroups.com> <20130902155711.GB31156@Johns-MacBook-Pro.local> <4d09f924-b9ca-4f29-8c64-de355407a90a@googlegroups.com> <9703dae4-9816-4508-a1cd-8272c0c6ea0c@googlegroups.com> <52264A45.3000909@reagle.org> Reply-To: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3021_7084671.1378285366887" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1378285365 21996 80.91.229.3 (4 Sep 2013 09:02:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 09:02:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Bruce D'Arcus To: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org Original-X-From: pandoc-discuss+bncBDIPX6WQ4INBBN7OTOIQKGQEVNOJFEQ-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org Wed Sep 04 11:02:49 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: gtp-pandoc-discuss@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from mail-ob0-f189.google.com ([209.85.214.189]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VH8zA-0006lk-J5 for gtp-pandoc-discuss@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 Sep 2013 11:02:48 +0200 Original-Received: by mail-ob0-f189.google.com with SMTP id dn14sf7348obc.16 for ; Wed, 04 Sep 2013 02:02:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=j/qWjXewkcE54XSppd5178TGCAzEE7nhdWILV6qRWZU=; b=Srd3ExcUHlPxdV7QquKCB4+salYNy6NRt1a5naa0680Aii5PtoxjhMcYozSCEC27qW s9gP+3JrclFf/xXjYmBh3uELjnZwCq1rlSdNN3pNufxIsjmmRBBjvrHWk4uENJpTpvH8 71ALeIllMdz7s8jWgP/glF0h0b2tQCUW2BLyFAr8u47if8pTvAJNPiOkPSeudQDqG/fm poe6xEbio7rWezWDuTKYn+vLPNgx/ciMdKToRmmUUnkEWbob9RGMB+KtCI1TctStcsTm X3eGidnGtb5R2aAUjYvt45oHg97kPSB0T96u4kI9140rWLXwYo5l8yB8SsxZN+to7++g NxOw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=j/qWjXewkcE54XSppd5178TGCAzEE7nhdWILV6qRWZU=; b=EpguxfP1wejsIYiVVLaUrNk2MJbTxFyFN/pB0iKdzeVYR+vCfzeZsAcIkKOOPbvAIq Sir+j15V/9rCNMK3Bl/eAn+M0L0DpMhT+/ZiPsLE2kjsHkoKIkJ5lj2aYjp3pRoICKj2 T8XbD6gNc/UcTIj0cAHcgwZYGnaCngPvSl5lhQKx7qgB5PZXikvutBvJBmpqqO17iFtM o/shUvmrdYJ6vvI/9g/G4tra4skUbAebMiNKw+cwiSNfHQQ/7od2Zab7GT6vCKv5Q+1L if/b52mIw+T5zw40o1asPzihus3nMdYTTQGT8bZkTbUFG2MR2ae8qi06XyzupDk8ri9l bbXg== X-Received: by 10.49.1.112 with SMTP id 16mr70000qel.7.1378285367634; Wed, 04 Sep 2013 02:02:47 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org Original-Received: by 10.49.0.236 with SMTP id 12ls30649qeh.67.gmail; Wed, 04 Sep 2013 02:02:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.49.104.83 with SMTP id gc19mr1614qeb.12.1378285367228; Wed, 04 Sep 2013 02:02:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <52264A45.3000909-T1oY19WcHSwdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org> X-Original-Sender: nickbart1980-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org Precedence: list Mailing-list: list pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org; contact pandoc-discuss+owners-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1007024079513 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Original-Sender: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.text.pandoc:7194 Archived-At: ------=_Part_3021_7084671.1378285366887 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think it's rather straightforward: From=20 http://citationstyles.org/downloads/specification.html#appendix-iv-variable= s: *collection-title* title of the collection holding the item (e.g. the series title for a book) *container-title* title of the container holding the item (e.g. the book title for a book=20 chapter, the journal title for a journal article) "container-title" contains the title of the whole book or the journal in=20 types such as book chapters, articles, etc. It corresponds to biblatex's=20 "booktitle" or "journal". According to the "volume-title" proposal, "container-title" would always=20 hold the title of the whole book, even if it consists of multiple volumes= =20 (such as "Collected Works", "Handbook of Psychology"), and "volume-title"= =20 would hold the title of a single volume ("Tragedies", "Clinical=20 Psychology", etc.). "collection-title" on the other hand contains the title of a book series in= =20 the sense of CMoS 6e 14.128, e.g., "Johns Hopkins Jewish Studies", "Studies= =20 in Illinois Archaeology 6", which is not italicized, and may even "be=20 omitted to save space". 1. Gershon David Hundert, *The Jews in a Polish Private Town: The Case of= =20 Opat=F3w in the Eighteenth Century,* Johns Hopkins Jewish Studies (Baltimor= e:=20 Johns Hopkins University Press, 1992). Fowler, Melvin L. *The Cahokia Atlas: A Historical Atlas of Cahokia=20 Archaeology.* Studies in Illinois Archaeology 6. Springfield: Illinois=20 Historic Preservation Agency, 1989. Grenier, Roger. *Les larmes d=92Ulysse.* Collection l=92un et l=92autre. Pa= ris:=20 Gallimard, 1998. Wauchope, Robert. *A Tentative Sequence of Pre-Classic Ceramics in Middle= =20 America.* Middle American Research Records, vol. 1, no. 14. New Orleans,=20 LA: Tulane University, 1950. Since I have not been able to spot any other use, I imagine=20 "collection-title" might just as well be renamed to "series-title". On Tuesday, September 3, 2013 10:44:53 PM UTC+2, Joseph wrote: > > Nick pointed to the CSL variables in an appendix of the spec, but this=20 > is one of the things I haven't been able to figure out. What is the=20 > logic between collection vs. container? > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pandoc-discuss" group. 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I think it's rather straightforward: From http://citations= tyles.org/downloads/specification.html#appendix-iv-variables:

collection-title
title of the collection holding the item (e.g. the series tit= le for a book)
container-title
title of the container holding the item (e.g. the book title for a= book chapter, the journal title for a journal article)

= "container-title" contains the title of the whole book or the journal in ty= pes such as book chapters, articles, etc. It corresponds to biblatex's "boo= ktitle" or "journal".

According to the "volume-title" proposal, "con= tainer-title" would always hold the title of the whole book, even if it con= sists of multiple volumes (such as "Collected Works", "Handbook of Psycholo= gy"), and "volume-title" would hold the title of a single volume ("Tragedie= s", "Clinical Psychology", etc.).

"collection-title" on the other ha= nd contains the title of a book series in the sense of CMoS 6e 14.128, e.g.= , "Johns Hopkins Jewish Studies", "Studies in Illinois Archaeology 6", whic= h is not italicized, and may even "be omitted to save space".

1. Gershon David Hundert, *The Jews in a Polish= Private Town: The Case of Opat=F3w in the Eighteenth Century,* Johns Hopki= ns Jewish Studies (Baltimore: Johns Hopkins University Press, 1992).
Fowler, Melvin L. *The Cahokia Atlas: A Historical Atlas of Cahokia Archae= ology.* Studies in Illinois Archaeology 6. Springfield: Illinois Historic P= reservation Agency, 1989.

Grenier, Roger. *Les larmes d=92Ulysse.* C= ollection l=92un et l=92autre. Paris: Gallimard, 1998.

Wauchope, Rob= ert. *A Tentative Sequence of Pre-Classic Ceramics in Middle America.* Midd= le American Research Records, vol. 1, no. 14. New Orleans, LA: Tulane Unive= rsity, 1950.

Since I have not been able to spot any other use,= I imagine "collection-title" might just as well be renamed to "series-titl= e".

On Tuesday, September 3, 2013 10:44:53 PM UTC+2, Joseph wrote:Nick pointed to the CSL variable= s in an appendix of the spec, but this
is one of the things I haven't been able to figure out. What is the
logic between collection vs. container?

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