AW: Suppressing author in citation

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Biblatex-chicago defines autocite as footcute. The star is simply being passed through. As there us no definition for footcite*, footcite* uses footcite* as a fallback.
So, we need a definition for footcite* (\DeclareCiteCommand). In that definition, call a big macro that doesn't print the authors.

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Betreff: Re: Suppressing author in citation

Can't renewcommand and newcommand both only take one optional argument? autocite takes two (comments before and after the reference), and while I don't think that causes me a problem in this instance, I'd rather a solution that doesn't limit that if that's possible.


On Sunday, 9 May 2021 at 21:39:06 UTC+2 denis...-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org wrote:
I don't think renewcommand is the best solution. There's a special interface for citation commands.
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Betreff: Re: Suppressing author in citation

Renewing \autocite* seems to be a good approach. So please try again and
reproduce your exact commands if the error persists!

Le Sunday 09 May 2021 à 12:14:40PM, Tom McLean a écrit :
> Wouldn't that method also require me to manually insert \clearname{author} for
> all the relevant citations? At least, my quick attempt didn't seem happy with
> either \newcommand{\autocite*} or \renewcomand{\autocite*} – the former
> objecting because the unstarred version exists, and the latter because the
> starred doesn't. (Though I don't rule out the possibility of an error in the
> rest of the arguments to \(re)newcommand being part of the problem...)
>
> On Sunday, 9 May 2021 at 17:04:59 UTC+2 jcr wrote:
>
> I meant \clearname{author}
>
> On Sunday, May 9, 2021 at 5:01:57 PM UTC+2 jcr wrote:
>
> See the first answer to this question: https://tex.stackexchange.com/a/
> 262472/ I don't know if exactly the same code will work with
> biblatex-chicago, but it shows the general approach. You want to make a
> command to suppress printing of the author (in the linked answer, it's
> called \int@suppauth), and then invoke it at the beginning of the
> starred cite commands you declare. If it's sufficient to suppress the
> author's name, that command can be \clearname{authorname}, but Chicago
> style will substitute an editor or translator, so if the citations in
> question have one of those, you need a more sophisticated solution.
>
> On Saturday, May 8, 2021 at 4:43:44 PM UTC+2 denis...-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org
> wrote:
>
> Hint: look for declarecitecommand and declareautocitecommand
>
>
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>
> Thank you! I'll see if I can get anywhere before then!
>
> On Saturday, 8 May 2021 at 16:32:53 UTC+2 denis...-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org
> wrote:
> I can look into this on Monday. If you an earlier solution you may
> want to look into how the standard styles do this.
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> An: pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
> Betreff: AW: Suppressing author in citation
>
> It has nothing to do with biber. Cite-commands are defined in
> biblatex styles. (Can't check at the moment what you need to do.)
>
> Denis
>
>
>
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> Betreff: Re: Suppressing author in citation
>
> Regarding Bastien's suggestion on changing the Biber configuration,
> can anyone tell me how to do that? I can't find anything useful on
> how to do so.
>
> Denis – as far as I can see autocite* doesn't seem to be behaving
> in the way described for cite* in the biblatex-chicago manual.
>
> On Saturday, 8 May 2021 at 13:13:39 UTC+2 denis...-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org
> wrote:
> Ok, IIUC this style implements the starred variants ins a somewhat
> unusual way. See starting at p64 in the manual available at https:/
> /www.ctan.org/pkg/biblatex-chicago<http://www.ctan.org/pkg/biblatex-chicago>
>
>
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> An: pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
> Betreff: Re: Suppressing author in citation
>
> biblatex-chicago (via biber)
>
> Le Saturday 08 May 2021 à 10:34:28AM, denis...-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org a écrit
> :
> > What's the citation style?
> >
> > Denis
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________
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> Auftrag von Bastien DUMONT <bastien...-VwIFZPTo/vqsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
> > Gesendet: Samstag, 8. Mai 2021 11:02:50
> > An: pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
> > Betreff: Re: Suppressing author in citation
> >
> > With --biblatex, pandoc outputs [-@Smith] as \autocite*{Smith}.
> From biblatex's manual
> > p. 112, "The starred variants of \autocite do not behave
> differently from the regular
> > ones. The asterisk is simply passed on to the backend command."
> So you should probably
> > change biber's configuration in order to make \autocite* a
> no-author command (but I
> > can't tell you more.
> >
> > Le Friday 07 May 2021 à 01:53:43PM, Tom McLean a écrit :
> > > Well at least that means it's not a really obvious mistake!!
> > >
> > > Attached are minimal versions of my md file, my bib file, and a
> pdf that shows
> > > what I'm getting.
> > >
> > > Also attached are a shell file and tex file giving the rest of
> what I'm using
> > > in case it's not a pandoc error!
> > >
> > > Thank you
> > >
> > > On Friday, 7 May 2021 at 20:03:53 UTC+2 gnpan wrote:
> > >
> > > OK, but i cannot reproduce this: citations with -@ within a
> footnote are
> > > formatted correctly, i.e. only the year is shown. Maybe you
> could provide a
> > > minimum markdown file and a bib file that give you this
> problem.
> > >
> > > On Friday, 7 May 2021 at 20:23:03 UTC+3 thomaspa...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Sorry if I'm not being clear – that is the citation in the
> footnote!
> > > The bibliography appears correctly (including author's name).
> > >
> > > On Friday, 7 May 2021 at 19:06:34 UTC+2 gnpan wrote:
> > >
> > > The minus sign will remove the author name only from the
> citation,
> > > not the formatted bibliography. To do the latter, you will need
> to
> > > modify your csl file to omit the author names.
> > >
> > > On Thursday, 6 May 2021 at 23:22:45 UTC+3 thomaspa...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi – newbie here, so there's a risk that this is a trivial
> > > mistake, but I can't see for looking...
> > >
> > > I'm working with citations are in footnotes, and am struggling
> > > to suppress author in the reference.
> > >
> > > The ones I thought were easy are in markdown document as (for
> > > example):
> > >
> > > [-@schillebeeckx1974; -@schillebeeckx1982;
> > > -@schillebeeckx1989c]
> > >
> > > which are appearing in a footnote in the PDF once compiled as:
> > >
> > > 3. Edward Schillebeeckx, Jezus: Het Verhaal van Een Levende
> > > (Bloemendaal: Nelissen, 1974); Edward Schillebeeckx,
> > > Gerechtigheid En Liefde: Genade En Bevrijding (Bloemendaal:
> > > Nelissen, 1982); Edward Schillebeeckx, Mensen Als Verhaal van
> > > God (Baarn: Nelissen, 1989).
> > >
> > > I thought that this should be with author's name removed...?
> > > Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
> > >
> > > I have some more complex references too, which are showing the
> > > same problem, but these occur within an extended footnote,
> > > which I've created as a footnote in the .md file. If there's
> > > any tricks anyone can share on how to fix those (if different),
> > > advice welcomed!
> > >
> > > Many thanks
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> > > published in English as *The Eucharist*.[-@schillebeeckx1952;
> -@schillebeeckx1964; -@schillebeeckx2014n; -@schillebeeckx1967a;
> -@schillebeeckx2005] In this chapter I argue that Schillebeeckx’s
> work is fundamentally a work of interpretation of the sacramental
> theology of Thomas Aquinas. He is concerned to recast that thought
> from the philosophical framework that Thomas adapts from Aristotle
> into a framework shaped by phenomenology.
> > >
> > > @book{schillebeeckx1952,
> > > title = {De {{Sacramentele Heilseconomie}}},
> > > author = {Schillebeeckx, Henricus},
> > > year = {1952},
> > > publisher = {{'T Groeit}},
> > > address = {{Antwerpen}}
> > > }
> > >
> > > @book{schillebeeckx1964,
> > > title = {Christus Sacrament van de Godsontmoeting},
> > > author = {Schillebeeckx, Edward},
> > > year = {1964},
> > > edition = {7de dr.},
> > > publisher = {{Nelissen}},
> > > address = {{Bilthoven}}
> > > }
> > >
> > > @book{schillebeeckx1967a,
> > > title = {Christus' Tegenwoordigheid in de Eucharistie},
> > > author = {Schillebeeckx, Edward},
> > > year = {1967},
> > > publisher = {{Nelissen}},
> > > address = {{Bilthoven}}
> > > }
> > >
> > > @book{schillebeeckx2005,
> > > title = {The {{Eucharist}}},
> > > author = {Schillebeeckx, Edward},
> > > year = {2005},
> > > edition = {First published 1967},
> > > publisher = {{Burns \& Oates}},
> > > address = {{London}},
> > > isbn = {978-0-86012-400-9},
> > > keywords = {Transubstantiation},
> > > lccn = {BX2220 .S3513 2005}
> > > }
> > >
> > > @book{schillebeeckx2014n,
> > > title = {Christ the Sacrament of the Encounter of {{God}}},
> > > shorttitle = {Christ the {{Sacrament}}},
> > > author = {Schillebeeckx, Edward},
> > > year = {2014},
> > > edition = {First published 1959},
> > > publisher = {{Bloomsbury}},
> > > address = {{London}},
> > > isbn = {978-0-567-41723-7 978-1-4725-5834-3 978-1-4725-5833-6},
> > > keywords = {Catholic Church,Sacraments},
> > > number = {1},
> > > series = {The Collected Works of {{Edward Schillebeeckx}}}
> > > }
> > >
> > >
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