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Just general inte= rest. Von: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org Im A= uftrag von Shane Liesegang Gesendet: Montag, 30. Mai 2022 15:43 An: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org Betreff: Re: Separating multiple citations in generated footnote I haven't made the repository public yet, but would be happy to share a sub= set -- is there anything in particular you're interested in, or just genera= l interest in citation filtering? On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 11:14 AM > wrote: I don=E2=80=99t have a particular suggestion for what you need, but I might= be interested in what you already do. could you perhaps share your filters= ? Best, Denis Von: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org >= Im Auftrag von Shane Liesegang Gesendet: Montag, 30. Mai 2022 09:07 An: pandoc-discuss > Betreff: Separating multiple citations in generated footnote My institution has a few specific citation style requirements that stray fr= om the standard Chicago Style. The changes are mostly around specific works= , so it's difficult-to-impossible to meet the requirements by making a new = CSL. For the most part I'm able to handle it with Lua filters. I intercept the c= itation reference both before and after --citeproc runs and make whatever c= hanges I need to; this might entail changing the style to SuppressAuthor, m= aking some capitalization/punctuation changes, etc. In general this works w= ell, but where it gets difficult is if a single Cite element contains multi= ple citations. In that case, looking at the generated footnote, there's no = hard indicator of which portion came from which citation. I've got somethin= g working based on scanning for semicolons, but I worry that's a little bit= fragile and will probably break on certain sets of reference data. Is there any good way of mapping portions of the footnote to citation keys?= I was thinking to wrap them in a span with some custom metadata, but I can= only see the citations either before --citeproc (when the footnote doesn't= exist yet) or after (when the multiple citations have already combined). W= hat would be truly ideal would be the ability to filter the citation proces= s itself, but I'm assuming since that's from a different library that it is= not exposed to Lua? Like I said, I have something mostly working now, but any thoughts/advice w= ould be appreciated. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pandoc-discuss" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org. 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Von: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> Im Auftrag von Shane Liesegang
Gesendet: Montag, 30. Mai 2022 15:43
An: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
Betreff: Re: Separating multiple citations in generated footnote

 

I haven't made the repository public yet, but would = be happy to share a subset -- is there anything in particular you're intere= sted in, or just general interest in citation filtering?

 

On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 11:14 AM <denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org> wrote:

I don=E2=80=99t have a particular suggestion = for what you need, but I might be interested in what you already do. could = you perhaps share your filters ?

 

Best,
Denis

 

Von: pandoc= -discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> Im Auftrag von Shane Liesegang
Gesendet: Montag, 30. Mai 2022 09:07
An: pandoc-discuss <pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
Betreff: Separating multiple citations in generated footnote<= o:p>

 

My institution has a few specific citation style requirements that= stray from the standard Chicago Style. The changes are mostly around speci= fic works, so it's difficult-to-impossible to meet the requirements by making a new CSL.

For the most part I'm able to handle it with Lua filters. I intercept the c= itation reference both before and after --citeproc runs and make whatever c= hanges I need to; this might entail changing the style to SuppressAuthor, m= aking some capitalization/punctuation changes, etc. In general this works well, but where it gets difficult is i= f a single Cite element contains multiple citations. In that case, looking = at the generated footnote, there's no hard indicator of which portion came = from which citation. I've got something working based on scanning for semicolons, but I worry that's a little bit = fragile and will probably break on certain sets of reference data.

Is there any good way of mapping portions of the footnote to citation keys?= I was thinking to wrap them in a span with some custom metadata, but I can= only see the citations either before --citeproc (when the footnote doesn't= exist yet) or after (when the multiple citations have already combined). What would be truly ideal would be the a= bility to filter the citation process itself, but I'm assuming since that's= from a different library that it is not exposed to Lua?

Like I said, I have something mostly working now, but any thoughts/advice w= ould be appreciated.

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