Changing typographical quotation marks in citations

Changing typographical quotation marks in citations

[John Carter Wood]

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In setting up a CSL file for a German-language publisher (but for 
English-language texts), I've run into the issue of needing to change the 
typographical quotation marks when converting from Markdown to docx or pdf. 
I am familiar with pandoc-quotes.lua but when using it, it changes the 
quote marks in the main text, but not in the citations (which come from a 
json file). 

So, I have to use this group of quotation marks: »«›‹, which I have set in 
a YAML block (quot-marks: »«›‹). (The document language is set to en-GB.) 

The result changes the main text quotation marks but not the citations (see 
screenshot). 

[image: Screenshot from 2022-06-30 13-55-41.png]

Is there a way of getting the quotation marks I want in the citations as 
well?

(pandoc-version 2.18)

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Re: Changing typographical quotation marks in citations

[Sukil Etxenike arizaleta]

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Hi,

After looking at the spec (the only experience I have with CSL files), I 
think you would need to modify your CSL file, Add a locale element in 
the root style element, like this:


<style>

     <locale xml:lang="en">

         <terms>
             <term name = "open-quote">&laquo;</term>
             <term name = "close-quote">&raquo;</term>
         </terms>
     </locale>
</style>
(Or try left-inner-quote and right-inner quote instead, maybe)
Hth,
Sukil

El 30/06/2022 a las 14:04, John Carter Wood escribió:
> In setting up a CSL file for a German-language publisher (but for 
> English-language texts), I've run into the issue of needing to change 
> the typographical quotation marks when converting from Markdown to 
> docx or pdf. I am familiar with pandoc-quotes.lua but when using it, 
> it changes the quote marks in the main text, but not in the citations 
> (which come from a json file).
>
> So, I have to use this group of quotation marks: »«›‹, which I have 
> set in a YAML block (quot-marks: »«›‹). (The document language is set 
> to en-GB.)
>
> The result changes the main text quotation marks but not the citations 
> (see screenshot).
>
> Screenshot from 2022-06-30 13-55-41.png
>
> Is there a way of getting the quotation marks I want in the citations 
> as well?
>
> (pandoc-version 2.18)
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Re: Changing typographical quotation marks in citations

[John Carter Wood]

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That's very helpful, thank you! 

I had looked at the spec but overlooked the part on locales and quotes. 

https://docs.citationstyles.org/en/stable/translating-locale-files.html#punctuation

I will give that a try (probably tomorrow) and report whether it works for 
me or other problems crop up.


suki...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org schrieb am Donnerstag, 30. Juni 2022 um 14:34:13 UTC+2:

> Hi,
>
> After looking at the spec (the only experience I have with CSL files), I 
> think you would need to modify your CSL file, Add a locale element in the 
> root style element, like this:
>
>
> <style>
>
>     <locale xml:lang="en">
>         <terms>
>             <term name = "open-quote">&laquo;</term>
>             <term name = "close-quote">&raquo;</term>
>         </terms>
>     </locale>
> </style>
> (Or try left-inner-quote and right-inner quote instead, maybe)
> Hth,
> Sukil
>
> El 30/06/2022 a las 14:04, John Carter Wood escribió:
>
> In setting up a CSL file for a German-language publisher (but for 
> English-language texts), I've run into the issue of needing to change the 
> typographical quotation marks when converting from Markdown to docx or pdf. 
> I am familiar with pandoc-quotes.lua but when using it, it changes the 
> quote marks in the main text, but not in the citations (which come from a 
> json file). 
>
> So, I have to use this group of quotation marks: »«›‹, which I have set in 
> a YAML block (quot-marks: »«›‹). (The document language is set to en-GB.) 
>
> The result changes the main text quotation marks but not the citations 
> (see screenshot). 
>
> [image: Screenshot from 2022-06-30 13-55-41.png]
>
> Is there a way of getting the quotation marks I want in the citations as 
> well?
>
> (pandoc-version 2.18)
>
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Re: Changing typographical quotation marks in citations

[BPJ]

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Have you tried running pandoc-quotes.lua after citeproc?

use this in a defaults file:

``````yaml
filters:
  - citeproc
  - pandoc-quotes.lua
``````

Make sure to remove any `citeproc: true` field!

Den tors 30 juni 2022 14:42John Carter Wood <woodjo-ZOsAvrTRSvuEhhMi0yms2Q@public.gmane.org> skrev:

> That's very helpful, thank you!
>
> I had looked at the spec but overlooked the part on locales and quotes.
>
>
> https://docs.citationstyles.org/en/stable/translating-locale-files.html#punctuation
>
> I will give that a try (probably tomorrow) and report whether it works for
> me or other problems crop up.
>
>
> suki...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org schrieb am Donnerstag, 30. Juni 2022 um 14:34:13 UTC+2:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> After looking at the spec (the only experience I have with CSL files), I
>> think you would need to modify your CSL file, Add a locale element in the
>> root style element, like this:
>>
>>
>> <style>
>>
>>     <locale xml:lang="en">
>>         <terms>
>>             <term name = "open-quote">&laquo;</term>
>>             <term name = "close-quote">&raquo;</term>
>>         </terms>
>>     </locale>
>> </style>
>> (Or try left-inner-quote and right-inner quote instead, maybe)
>> Hth,
>> Sukil
>>
>> El 30/06/2022 a las 14:04, John Carter Wood escribió:
>>
>> In setting up a CSL file for a German-language publisher (but for
>> English-language texts), I've run into the issue of needing to change the
>> typographical quotation marks when converting from Markdown to docx or pdf.
>> I am familiar with pandoc-quotes.lua but when using it, it changes the
>> quote marks in the main text, but not in the citations (which come from a
>> json file).
>>
>> So, I have to use this group of quotation marks: »«›‹, which I have set
>> in a YAML block (quot-marks: »«›‹). (The document language is set to
>> en-GB.)
>>
>> The result changes the main text quotation marks but not the citations
>> (see screenshot).
>>
>> [image: Screenshot from 2022-06-30 13-55-41.png]
>>
>> Is there a way of getting the quotation marks I want in the citations as
>> well?
>>
>> (pandoc-version 2.18)
>>
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Re: Changing typographical quotation marks in citations

[John Carter Wood]

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Thanks! 

This is the command I used: 

pandoc CSL-Test.md -o CSL-test.docx --citeproc --lua-filter 
pandoc-quotes.lua 
--reference-doc=/home/john/.pandoc/templates/custom-reference.docx 
CSL-Test.md

Shouldn't this order have the same effect as what you suggested? 






BPJ schrieb am Donnerstag, 30. Juni 2022 um 18:23:27 UTC+2:

> Have you tried running pandoc-quotes.lua after citeproc?
>
> use this in a defaults file:
>
> ``````yaml
> filters:
>   - citeproc
>   - pandoc-quotes.lua
> ``````
>
> Make sure to remove any `citeproc: true` field!
>
> Den tors 30 juni 2022 14:42John Carter Wood <woo...-ZOsAvrTRSvuEhhMi0yms2Q@public.gmane.org> skrev:
>
>> That's very helpful, thank you! 
>>
>> I had looked at the spec but overlooked the part on locales and quotes. 
>>
>>
>> https://docs.citationstyles.org/en/stable/translating-locale-files.html#punctuation
>>
>> I will give that a try (probably tomorrow) and report whether it works 
>> for me or other problems crop up.
>>
>>
>> suki...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org schrieb am Donnerstag, 30. Juni 2022 um 14:34:13 UTC+2:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> After looking at the spec (the only experience I have with CSL files), I 
>>> think you would need to modify your CSL file, Add a locale element in the 
>>> root style element, like this:
>>>
>>>
>>> <style>
>>>
>>>     <locale xml:lang="en">
>>>         <terms>
>>>             <term name = "open-quote">&laquo;</term>
>>>             <term name = "close-quote">&raquo;</term>
>>>         </terms>
>>>     </locale>
>>> </style>
>>> (Or try left-inner-quote and right-inner quote instead, maybe)
>>> Hth,
>>> Sukil
>>>
>>> El 30/06/2022 a las 14:04, John Carter Wood escribió:
>>>
>>> In setting up a CSL file for a German-language publisher (but for 
>>> English-language texts), I've run into the issue of needing to change the 
>>> typographical quotation marks when converting from Markdown to docx or pdf. 
>>> I am familiar with pandoc-quotes.lua but when using it, it changes the 
>>> quote marks in the main text, but not in the citations (which come from a 
>>> json file). 
>>>
>>> So, I have to use this group of quotation marks: »«›‹, which I have set 
>>> in a YAML block (quot-marks: »«›‹). (The document language is set to 
>>> en-GB.) 
>>>
>>> The result changes the main text quotation marks but not the citations 
>>> (see screenshot). 
>>>
>>> [image: Screenshot from 2022-06-30 13-55-41.png]
>>>
>>> Is there a way of getting the quotation marks I want in the citations as 
>>> well?
>>>
>>> (pandoc-version 2.18)
>>>
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Re: Changing typographical quotation marks in citations

[BPJ]

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IIUC --citeproc corresponds to `citeproc: true`. Have you tried what
happens with `--filter citeproc`? Does it work at all? I have no data to
test that on ATM.

Den tors 30 juni 2022 18:30John Carter Wood <woodjo-ZOsAvrTRSvuEhhMi0yms2Q@public.gmane.org> skrev:

> Thanks!
>
> This is the command I used:
>
> pandoc CSL-Test.md -o CSL-test.docx --citeproc --lua-filter
> pandoc-quotes.lua
> --reference-doc=/home/john/.pandoc/templates/custom-reference.docx
> CSL-Test.md
>
> Shouldn't this order have the same effect as what you suggested?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> BPJ schrieb am Donnerstag, 30. Juni 2022 um 18:23:27 UTC+2:
>
>> Have you tried running pandoc-quotes.lua after citeproc?
>>
>> use this in a defaults file:
>>
>> ``````yaml
>> filters:
>>   - citeproc
>>   - pandoc-quotes.lua
>> ``````
>>
>> Make sure to remove any `citeproc: true` field!
>>
>> Den tors 30 juni 2022 14:42John Carter Wood <woo...-ZOsAvrTRSvuEhhMi0yms2Q@public.gmane.org> skrev:
>>
>>> That's very helpful, thank you!
>>>
>>> I had looked at the spec but overlooked the part on locales and quotes.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://docs.citationstyles.org/en/stable/translating-locale-files.html#punctuation
>>>
>>> I will give that a try (probably tomorrow) and report whether it works
>>> for me or other problems crop up.
>>>
>>>
>>> suki...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org schrieb am Donnerstag, 30. Juni 2022 um 14:34:13
>>> UTC+2:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> After looking at the spec (the only experience I have with CSL files),
>>>> I think you would need to modify your CSL file, Add a locale element in the
>>>> root style element, like this:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <style>
>>>>
>>>>     <locale xml:lang="en">
>>>>         <terms>
>>>>             <term name = "open-quote">&laquo;</term>
>>>>             <term name = "close-quote">&raquo;</term>
>>>>         </terms>
>>>>     </locale>
>>>> </style>
>>>> (Or try left-inner-quote and right-inner quote instead, maybe)
>>>> Hth,
>>>> Sukil
>>>>
>>>> El 30/06/2022 a las 14:04, John Carter Wood escribió:
>>>>
>>>> In setting up a CSL file for a German-language publisher (but for
>>>> English-language texts), I've run into the issue of needing to change the
>>>> typographical quotation marks when converting from Markdown to docx or pdf.
>>>> I am familiar with pandoc-quotes.lua but when using it, it changes the
>>>> quote marks in the main text, but not in the citations (which come from a
>>>> json file).
>>>>
>>>> So, I have to use this group of quotation marks: »«›‹, which I have set
>>>> in a YAML block (quot-marks: »«›‹). (The document language is set to
>>>> en-GB.)
>>>>
>>>> The result changes the main text quotation marks but not the citations
>>>> (see screenshot).
>>>>
>>>> [image: Screenshot from 2022-06-30 13-55-41.png]
>>>>
>>>> Is there a way of getting the quotation marks I want in the citations
>>>> as well?
>>>>
>>>> (pandoc-version 2.18)
>>>>
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Re: Changing typographical quotation marks in citations

[John Carter Wood]

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I will try this out when I have a chance and report back, thanks!


BP schrieb am Donnerstag, 30. Juni 2022 um 19:53:42 UTC+2:

> IIUC --citeproc corresponds to `citeproc: true`. Have you tried what 
> happens with `--filter citeproc`? Does it work at all? I have no data to 
> test that on ATM.
>
> Den tors 30 juni 2022 18:30John Carter Wood <woo...-ZOsAvrTRSvuEhhMi0yms2Q@public.gmane.org> skrev:
>
>> Thanks! 
>>
>> This is the command I used: 
>>
>> pandoc CSL-Test.md -o CSL-test.docx --citeproc --lua-filter 
>> pandoc-quotes.lua 
>> --reference-doc=/home/john/.pandoc/templates/custom-reference.docx 
>> CSL-Test.md
>>
>> Shouldn't this order have the same effect as what you suggested? 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> BPJ schrieb am Donnerstag, 30. Juni 2022 um 18:23:27 UTC+2:
>>
>>> Have you tried running pandoc-quotes.lua after citeproc?
>>>
>>> use this in a defaults file:
>>>
>>> ``````yaml
>>> filters:
>>>   - citeproc
>>>   - pandoc-quotes.lua
>>> ``````
>>>
>>> Make sure to remove any `citeproc: true` field!
>>>
>>> Den tors 30 juni 2022 14:42John Carter Wood <woo...-ZOsAvrTRSvuEhhMi0yms2Q@public.gmane.org> skrev:
>>>
>>>> That's very helpful, thank you! 
>>>>
>>>> I had looked at the spec but overlooked the part on locales and quotes. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://docs.citationstyles.org/en/stable/translating-locale-files.html#punctuation
>>>>
>>>> I will give that a try (probably tomorrow) and report whether it works 
>>>> for me or other problems crop up.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> suki...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org schrieb am Donnerstag, 30. Juni 2022 um 14:34:13 
>>>> UTC+2:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> After looking at the spec (the only experience I have with CSL files), 
>>>>> I think you would need to modify your CSL file, Add a locale element in the 
>>>>> root style element, like this:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <style>
>>>>>
>>>>>     <locale xml:lang="en">
>>>>>         <terms>
>>>>>             <term name = "open-quote">&laquo;</term>
>>>>>             <term name = "close-quote">&raquo;</term>
>>>>>         </terms>
>>>>>     </locale>
>>>>> </style>
>>>>> (Or try left-inner-quote and right-inner quote instead, maybe)
>>>>> Hth,
>>>>> Sukil
>>>>>
>>>>> El 30/06/2022 a las 14:04, John Carter Wood escribió:
>>>>>
>>>>> In setting up a CSL file for a German-language publisher (but for 
>>>>> English-language texts), I've run into the issue of needing to change the 
>>>>> typographical quotation marks when converting from Markdown to docx or pdf. 
>>>>> I am familiar with pandoc-quotes.lua but when using it, it changes the 
>>>>> quote marks in the main text, but not in the citations (which come from a 
>>>>> json file). 
>>>>>
>>>>> So, I have to use this group of quotation marks: »«›‹, which I have 
>>>>> set in a YAML block (quot-marks: »«›‹). (The document language is set to 
>>>>> en-GB.) 
>>>>>
>>>>> The result changes the main text quotation marks but not the citations 
>>>>> (see screenshot). 
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: Screenshot from 2022-06-30 13-55-41.png]
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a way of getting the quotation marks I want in the citations 
>>>>> as well?
>>>>>
>>>>> (pandoc-version 2.18)
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Re: Changing typographical quotation marks in citations

[John Carter Wood]

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Adding the relevant quotation marks as terms in the CSL file as suggested 
by suki did the trick. Thank you!

John Carter Wood schrieb am Donnerstag, 30. Juni 2022 um 22:25:05 UTC+2:

> I will try this out when I have a chance and report back, thanks!
>
>
> BP schrieb am Donnerstag, 30. Juni 2022 um 19:53:42 UTC+2:
>
>> IIUC --citeproc corresponds to `citeproc: true`. Have you tried what 
>> happens with `--filter citeproc`? Does it work at all? I have no data to 
>> test that on ATM.
>>
>> Den tors 30 juni 2022 18:30John Carter Wood <woo...-ZOsAvrTRSvuEhhMi0yms2Q@public.gmane.org> skrev:
>>
>>> Thanks! 
>>>
>>> This is the command I used: 
>>>
>>> pandoc CSL-Test.md -o CSL-test.docx --citeproc --lua-filter 
>>> pandoc-quotes.lua 
>>> --reference-doc=/home/john/.pandoc/templates/custom-reference.docx 
>>> CSL-Test.md
>>>
>>> Shouldn't this order have the same effect as what you suggested? 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> BPJ schrieb am Donnerstag, 30. Juni 2022 um 18:23:27 UTC+2:
>>>
>>>> Have you tried running pandoc-quotes.lua after citeproc?
>>>>
>>>> use this in a defaults file:
>>>>
>>>> ``````yaml
>>>> filters:
>>>>   - citeproc
>>>>   - pandoc-quotes.lua
>>>> ``````
>>>>
>>>> Make sure to remove any `citeproc: true` field!
>>>>
>>>> Den tors 30 juni 2022 14:42John Carter Wood <woo...-ZOsAvrTRSvuEhhMi0yms2Q@public.gmane.org> 
>>>> skrev:
>>>>
>>>>> That's very helpful, thank you! 
>>>>>
>>>>> I had looked at the spec but overlooked the part on locales and 
>>>>> quotes. 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://docs.citationstyles.org/en/stable/translating-locale-files.html#punctuation
>>>>>
>>>>> I will give that a try (probably tomorrow) and report whether it works 
>>>>> for me or other problems crop up.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> suki...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org schrieb am Donnerstag, 30. Juni 2022 um 14:34:13 
>>>>> UTC+2:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After looking at the spec (the only experience I have with CSL 
>>>>>> files), I think you would need to modify your CSL file, Add a locale 
>>>>>> element in the root style element, like this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <style>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     <locale xml:lang="en">
>>>>>>         <terms>
>>>>>>             <term name = "open-quote">&laquo;</term>
>>>>>>             <term name = "close-quote">&raquo;</term>
>>>>>>         </terms>
>>>>>>     </locale>
>>>>>> </style>
>>>>>> (Or try left-inner-quote and right-inner quote instead, maybe)
>>>>>> Hth,
>>>>>> Sukil
>>>>>>
>>>>>> El 30/06/2022 a las 14:04, John Carter Wood escribió:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In setting up a CSL file for a German-language publisher (but for 
>>>>>> English-language texts), I've run into the issue of needing to change the 
>>>>>> typographical quotation marks when converting from Markdown to docx or pdf. 
>>>>>> I am familiar with pandoc-quotes.lua but when using it, it changes the 
>>>>>> quote marks in the main text, but not in the citations (which come from a 
>>>>>> json file). 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, I have to use this group of quotation marks: »«›‹, which I have 
>>>>>> set in a YAML block (quot-marks: »«›‹). (The document language is set to 
>>>>>> en-GB.) 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The result changes the main text quotation marks but not the 
>>>>>> citations (see screenshot). 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [image: Screenshot from 2022-06-30 13-55-41.png]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there a way of getting the quotation marks I want in the citations 
>>>>>> as well?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (pandoc-version 2.18)
>>>>>>
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