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Thank you! John Carter Wood schrieb am Donnerstag, 30. Juni 2022 um 22:25:05 UTC+2: > I will try this out when I have a chance and report back, thanks! > > > BP schrieb am Donnerstag, 30. Juni 2022 um 19:53:42 UTC+2: > >> IIUC --citeproc corresponds to `citeproc: true`. Have you tried what=20 >> happens with `--filter citeproc`? Does it work at all? I have no data to= =20 >> test that on ATM. >> >> Den tors 30 juni 2022 18:30John Carter Wood skrev: >> >>> Thanks!=20 >>> >>> This is the command I used:=20 >>> >>> pandoc CSL-Test.md -o CSL-test.docx --citeproc --lua-filter=20 >>> pandoc-quotes.lua=20 >>> --reference-doc=3D/home/john/.pandoc/templates/custom-reference.docx=20 >>> CSL-Test.md >>> >>> Shouldn't this order have the same effect as what you suggested?=20 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> BPJ schrieb am Donnerstag, 30. Juni 2022 um 18:23:27 UTC+2: >>> >>>> Have you tried running pandoc-quotes.lua after citeproc? >>>> >>>> use this in a defaults file: >>>> >>>> ``````yaml >>>> filters: >>>> - citeproc >>>> - pandoc-quotes.lua >>>> `````` >>>> >>>> Make sure to remove any `citeproc: true` field! >>>> >>>> Den tors 30 juni 2022 14:42John Carter Wood =20 >>>> skrev: >>>> >>>>> That's very helpful, thank you!=20 >>>>> >>>>> I had looked at the spec but overlooked the part on locales and=20 >>>>> quotes.=20 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://docs.citationstyles.org/en/stable/translating-locale-files.ht= ml#punctuation >>>>> >>>>> I will give that a try (probably tomorrow) and report whether it work= s=20 >>>>> for me or other problems crop up. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> suki...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org schrieb am Donnerstag, 30. Juni 2022 um 14:34:13=20 >>>>> UTC+2: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> After looking at the spec (the only experience I have with CSL=20 >>>>>> files), I think you would need to modify your CSL file, Add a locale= =20 >>>>>> element in the root style element, like this: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> (Or try left-inner-quote and right-inner quote instead, maybe) >>>>>> Hth, >>>>>> Sukil >>>>>> >>>>>> El 30/06/2022 a las 14:04, John Carter Wood escribi=C3=B3: >>>>>> >>>>>> In setting up a CSL file for a German-language publisher (but for=20 >>>>>> English-language texts), I've run into the issue of needing to chang= e the=20 >>>>>> typographical quotation marks when converting from Markdown to docx = or pdf.=20 >>>>>> I am familiar with pandoc-quotes.lua but when using it, it changes t= he=20 >>>>>> quote marks in the main text, but not in the citations (which come f= rom a=20 >>>>>> json file).=20 >>>>>> >>>>>> So, I have to use this group of quotation marks: =C2=BB=C2=AB=E2=80= =BA=E2=80=B9, which I have=20 >>>>>> set in a YAML block (quot-marks: =C2=BB=C2=AB=E2=80=BA=E2=80=B9). (T= he document language is set to=20 >>>>>> en-GB.)=20 >>>>>> >>>>>> The result changes the main text quotation marks but not the=20 >>>>>> citations (see screenshot).=20 >>>>>> >>>>>> [image: Screenshot from 2022-06-30 13-55-41.png] >>>>>> >>>>>> Is there a way of getting the quotation marks I want in the citation= s=20 >>>>>> as well? >>>>>> >>>>>> (pandoc-version 2.18) >>>>>> >>>>>> --=20 >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google= =20 >>>>>> Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,=20 >>>>>> send an email to pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit=20 >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/da178cb2-48fa-4f53-= 8417-02dcae0129acn%40googlegroups.com=20 >>>>>> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> --=20 >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google=20 >>>>> Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, sen= d=20 >>>>> an email to pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >>>>> >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit=20 >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/062deeeb-9dfb-4ca3-a= e3a-10b360293315n%40googlegroups.com=20 >>>>> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> --=20 >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google=20 >>> Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send= =20 >>> an email to pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >>> >> To view this discussion on the web visit=20 >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/0db7e968-6c00-4399-bd8= e-a7b2ad46a841n%40googlegroups.com=20 >>> >>> . >>> >> --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pandoc-discuss" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= pandoc-discuss/8e39ea4c-765d-44fd-9c90-7f4c36c4065cn%40googlegroups.com. ------=_Part_1131_769570747.1656684937277 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Adding the relevant quotation marks as terms in the CSL file as suggested b= y suki did the trick. Thank you!

John Carter Wood schrieb am Donnerstag, 30. = Juni 2022 um 22:25:05 UTC+2:
I will try this out when I have a chance and report ba= ck, thanks!


BP schrieb am Donnerstag, 30. Juni 2022 um 19:53= :42 UTC+2:
IIUC --citeproc corresponds to `citeproc: true`. Have you tried what= happens with `--filter citeproc`? Does it work at all? I have no data to t= est that on ATM.

Den tors 30 juni 2022 18:3= 0John Carter Wood <woo...-ZOsAvrTRSvuEhhMi0yms2Q@public.gmane.org> skrev= :
= Thanks!

This is the command I used:

pandoc CSL-Test.md= -o CSL-test.docx --citeproc --lua-filter pandoc-quotes.lua --reference-doc= =3D/home/john/.pandoc/templates/custom-reference.docx CSL-Test.md

Shouldn't this order have the same effect as what you s= uggested?






BPJ schrieb am Donnerstag, 30= . Juni 2022 um 18:23:27 UTC+2:
Have you tried running pandoc-quotes.lua after c= iteproc?

use this in a default= s file:

``````yaml
=
filters:
=C2=A0 - citeproc
=C2=A0 - pandoc-quotes.lua
``````

Make sure to remove any `c= iteproc: true` field!

Den tors 30 jun= i 2022 14:42John Carter Wood <woo...@uni-= mainz.de> skrev:
That's very helpful, thank you!

I had loo= ked at the spec but overlooked the part on locales and quotes.

https://docs.citationstyles.org/en/stable/translating-locale-f= iles.html#punctuation

I will give that a try (probably tomorrow)= and report whether it works for me or other problems crop up.

=

suki...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org= schrieb am Donnerstag, 30. Juni 2022 um 14:34:13 UTC+2:
=20 =20 =20

Hi,

After looking at the spec (the only experience I have with CSL files), I think you would need to modify your CSL file, Add a locale element in the root style element, like this:


<style>

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <locale xml:lang=3D"en">

=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <terms>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <= term name =3D "open-quote">&laquo;</term>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <= term name =3D "close-quote">&raquo;</term>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </terms>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </locale>
</style>
(Or try left-inner-quote and right-inner quote instead, maybe)
Hth,
Sukil

El 30/06/2022 a las 14:04, John Carter Wood escribi=C3=B3:
=20 In setting up a CSL file for a German-language publisher (but for English-language texts), I've run into the issue of needing to change the typographical quotation marks when converting from Markdown to docx or pdf. I am familiar with pandoc-quotes.lua but when using it, it changes the quote marks in the main text, but not in the citations (which come from a json file).

So, I have to use this group of quotation marks: =C2=BB=C2=AB=E2= =80=BA=E2=80=B9, which I have set in a YAML block (quot-marks: =C2=BB=C2=AB=E2=80=BA=E2=80= =B9). (The document language is set to en-GB.)

The result changes the main text quotation marks but not the citations (see screenshot).

3D"Screenshot

Is there a way of getting the quotation marks I want in the citations as well?

(pandoc-version 2.18)
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