Pandoc Citation Error with Zotero BibTex Key for Short Note

Pandoc Citation Error with Zotero BibTex Key for Short Note

[Matthew Lynskey]

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Hello. I am fairly new to Pandoc. I am seeking to use the Chicago Short 
Note .csl from Zotero. I believe I have downloaded the most recent version. 
I am also using the BibTex citation key in a footnote of a Markdown that 
outputs to .docx. My goal is to process these through Pandoc.

When I use the .csl short note style and the citation key and process it 
through Pandoc (i.e., DocDown). I have two (interrelated?) issues that come 
up. I am trying to resolve and would appreciate any help and guidance.

1. *Punctuation*: My BibTex key for the following resource is 
@KearneyIntroduction2006. This is a book section and when I write 
@KearneyIntroduction2006, xvi the .csl file output comes out like this:

Kearney, “Introduction.”, xvi

I have added the comma but the period does not go away. Interestingly, when 
I use a BibTex citation key for a book (an item that does not have 
quotation marks in its output like a journal or book section), it seems to 
work fine. For example, @Hubscher-DavidsonTranslation2017, 3-4 comes out 
like Hubscher-Davidson, Translation and Emotion, 3-4. Notice that I added 
the comma and this time it removed (what I think would be) a naturally 
generated period by Zotero.

2. *Subsequent References*: Additionally, when I have two references 
following each other in sequence I get the following result.

Hubscher-Davidson, *Translation and Emotion*, 3-4. 
Hubscher-Davidson, 7. 

I do not want to use ibid style. 

*Ideally, I would like the short note to reproduce the author and short 
title each time.* (i.e., I would like to produce Hubscher-Davidson, *Translation 
and Emotion* for all citations and then point this short reference to my 
bibliography.)

Does anyone have any guidance on this issue(s)?

Thank you for any guidance. This might be a basic question asked in 
ignorance. I appreciate your help in guiding a novice along this way. :)

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Re: Pandoc Citation Error with Zotero BibTex Key for Short Note

[John MacFarlane]

It's very important to know here what pandoc --version says.

Matthew Lynskey <matt-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes:

> Hello. I am fairly new to Pandoc. I am seeking to use the Chicago Short 
> Note .csl from Zotero. I believe I have downloaded the most recent version. 
> I am also using the BibTex citation key in a footnote of a Markdown that 
> outputs to .docx. My goal is to process these through Pandoc.
>
> When I use the .csl short note style and the citation key and process it 
> through Pandoc (i.e., DocDown). I have two (interrelated?) issues that come 
> up. I am trying to resolve and would appreciate any help and guidance.
>
> 1. *Punctuation*: My BibTex key for the following resource is 
> @KearneyIntroduction2006. This is a book section and when I write 
> @KearneyIntroduction2006, xvi the .csl file output comes out like this:
>
> Kearney, “Introduction.”, xvi
>
> I have added the comma but the period does not go away. Interestingly, when 
> I use a BibTex citation key for a book (an item that does not have 
> quotation marks in its output like a journal or book section), it seems to 
> work fine. For example, @Hubscher-DavidsonTranslation2017, 3-4 comes out 
> like Hubscher-Davidson, Translation and Emotion, 3-4. Notice that I added 
> the comma and this time it removed (what I think would be) a naturally 
> generated period by Zotero.
>
> 2. *Subsequent References*: Additionally, when I have two references 
> following each other in sequence I get the following result.
>
> Hubscher-Davidson, *Translation and Emotion*, 3-4. 
> Hubscher-Davidson, 7. 
>
> I do not want to use ibid style. 
>
> *Ideally, I would like the short note to reproduce the author and short 
> title each time.* (i.e., I would like to produce Hubscher-Davidson, *Translation 
> and Emotion* for all citations and then point this short reference to my 
> bibliography.)
>
> Does anyone have any guidance on this issue(s)?
>
> Thank you for any guidance. This might be a basic question asked in 
> ignorance. I appreciate your help in guiding a novice along this way. :)
>
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Re: Pandoc Citation Error with Zotero BibTex Key for Short Note

[Matthew Lynskey]

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Thanks for the question. I checked this in terminal and this is what the 
output is:

pandoc 2.10.1

Compiled with pandoc-types 1.21, texmath 0.12.0.2, skylighting 0.8.5

Default user data directory: /Users/mattlynskey/.local/share/pandoc or 
/Users/mattlynskey/.pandoc

Copyright (C) 2006-2020 John MacFarlane


On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:10:28 PM UTC-5 John MacFarlane wrote:

>
>
> It's very important to know here what pandoc --version says.
>
> Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes:
>
> > Hello. I am fairly new to Pandoc. I am seeking to use the Chicago Short 
> > Note .csl from Zotero. I believe I have downloaded the most recent 
> version. 
> > I am also using the BibTex citation key in a footnote of a Markdown that 
> > outputs to .docx. My goal is to process these through Pandoc.
> >
> > When I use the .csl short note style and the citation key and process it 
> > through Pandoc (i.e., DocDown). I have two (interrelated?) issues that 
> come 
> > up. I am trying to resolve and would appreciate any help and guidance.
> >
> > 1. *Punctuation*: My BibTex key for the following resource is 
> > @KearneyIntroduction2006. This is a book section and when I write 
> > @KearneyIntroduction2006, xvi the .csl file output comes out like this:
> >
> > Kearney, “Introduction.”, xvi
> >
> > I have added the comma but the period does not go away. Interestingly, 
> when 
> > I use a BibTex citation key for a book (an item that does not have 
> > quotation marks in its output like a journal or book section), it seems 
> to 
> > work fine. For example, @Hubscher-DavidsonTranslation2017, 3-4 comes out 
> > like Hubscher-Davidson, Translation and Emotion, 3-4. Notice that I 
> added 
> > the comma and this time it removed (what I think would be) a naturally 
> > generated period by Zotero.
> >
> > 2. *Subsequent References*: Additionally, when I have two references 
> > following each other in sequence I get the following result.
> >
> > Hubscher-Davidson, *Translation and Emotion*, 3-4. 
> > Hubscher-Davidson, 7. 
> >
> > I do not want to use ibid style. 
> >
> > *Ideally, I would like the short note to reproduce the author and short 
> > title each time.* (i.e., I would like to produce Hubscher-Davidson, 
> *Translation 
> > and Emotion* for all citations and then point this short reference to my 
> > bibliography.)
> >
> > Does anyone have any guidance on this issue(s)?
> >
> > Thank you for any guidance. This might be a basic question asked in 
> > ignorance. I appreciate your help in guiding a novice along this way. :)
> >
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Re: Pandoc Citation Error with Zotero BibTex Key for Short Note

[Matthew Lynskey]

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Thanks for the question. I checked this in terminal and this is what the 
output is:

pandoc 2.10.1

Compiled with pandoc-types 1.21, texmath 0.12.0.2, skylighting 0.8.5

Copyright (C) 2006-2020 John MacFarlane

On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:10:28 PM UTC-5 John MacFarlane wrote:

>
>
> It's very important to know here what pandoc --version says.
>
> Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes:
>
> > Hello. I am fairly new to Pandoc. I am seeking to use the Chicago Short 
> > Note .csl from Zotero. I believe I have downloaded the most recent 
> version. 
> > I am also using the BibTex citation key in a footnote of a Markdown that 
> > outputs to .docx. My goal is to process these through Pandoc.
> >
> > When I use the .csl short note style and the citation key and process it 
> > through Pandoc (i.e., DocDown). I have two (interrelated?) issues that 
> come 
> > up. I am trying to resolve and would appreciate any help and guidance.
> >
> > 1. *Punctuation*: My BibTex key for the following resource is 
> > @KearneyIntroduction2006. This is a book section and when I write 
> > @KearneyIntroduction2006, xvi the .csl file output comes out like this:
> >
> > Kearney, “Introduction.”, xvi
> >
> > I have added the comma but the period does not go away. Interestingly, 
> when 
> > I use a BibTex citation key for a book (an item that does not have 
> > quotation marks in its output like a journal or book section), it seems 
> to 
> > work fine. For example, @Hubscher-DavidsonTranslation2017, 3-4 comes out 
> > like Hubscher-Davidson, Translation and Emotion, 3-4. Notice that I 
> added 
> > the comma and this time it removed (what I think would be) a naturally 
> > generated period by Zotero.
> >
> > 2. *Subsequent References*: Additionally, when I have two references 
> > following each other in sequence I get the following result.
> >
> > Hubscher-Davidson, *Translation and Emotion*, 3-4. 
> > Hubscher-Davidson, 7. 
> >
> > I do not want to use ibid style. 
> >
> > *Ideally, I would like the short note to reproduce the author and short 
> > title each time.* (i.e., I would like to produce Hubscher-Davidson, 
> *Translation 
> > and Emotion* for all citations and then point this short reference to my 
> > bibliography.)
> >
> > Does anyone have any guidance on this issue(s)?
> >
> > Thank you for any guidance. This might be a basic question asked in 
> > ignorance. I appreciate your help in guiding a novice along this way. :)
> >
> > -- 
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Re: Pandoc Citation Error with Zotero BibTex Key for Short Note

[John MacFarlane]

Ah.  Try getting the latest version of pandoc (2.11.1.1).
Citation support was completely overhauled in 2.11
(so the pandoc-citeproc filter is no longer necessary;
instead, you use the --citeproc option).  It should
be much better in general, so see if you get the same
results with the latest pandoc.

Matthew Lynskey <matt-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes:

> Thanks for the question. I checked this in terminal and this is what the 
> output is:
>
> pandoc 2.10.1
>
> Compiled with pandoc-types 1.21, texmath 0.12.0.2, skylighting 0.8.5
>
> Copyright (C) 2006-2020 John MacFarlane
>
> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:10:28 PM UTC-5 John MacFarlane wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> It's very important to know here what pandoc --version says.
>>
>> Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes:
>>
>> > Hello. I am fairly new to Pandoc. I am seeking to use the Chicago Short 
>> > Note .csl from Zotero. I believe I have downloaded the most recent 
>> version. 
>> > I am also using the BibTex citation key in a footnote of a Markdown that 
>> > outputs to .docx. My goal is to process these through Pandoc.
>> >
>> > When I use the .csl short note style and the citation key and process it 
>> > through Pandoc (i.e., DocDown). I have two (interrelated?) issues that 
>> come 
>> > up. I am trying to resolve and would appreciate any help and guidance.
>> >
>> > 1. *Punctuation*: My BibTex key for the following resource is 
>> > @KearneyIntroduction2006. This is a book section and when I write 
>> > @KearneyIntroduction2006, xvi the .csl file output comes out like this:
>> >
>> > Kearney, “Introduction.”, xvi
>> >
>> > I have added the comma but the period does not go away. Interestingly, 
>> when 
>> > I use a BibTex citation key for a book (an item that does not have 
>> > quotation marks in its output like a journal or book section), it seems 
>> to 
>> > work fine. For example, @Hubscher-DavidsonTranslation2017, 3-4 comes out 
>> > like Hubscher-Davidson, Translation and Emotion, 3-4. Notice that I 
>> added 
>> > the comma and this time it removed (what I think would be) a naturally 
>> > generated period by Zotero.
>> >
>> > 2. *Subsequent References*: Additionally, when I have two references 
>> > following each other in sequence I get the following result.
>> >
>> > Hubscher-Davidson, *Translation and Emotion*, 3-4. 
>> > Hubscher-Davidson, 7. 
>> >
>> > I do not want to use ibid style. 
>> >
>> > *Ideally, I would like the short note to reproduce the author and short 
>> > title each time.* (i.e., I would like to produce Hubscher-Davidson, 
>> *Translation 
>> > and Emotion* for all citations and then point this short reference to my 
>> > bibliography.)
>> >
>> > Does anyone have any guidance on this issue(s)?
>> >
>> > Thank you for any guidance. This might be a basic question asked in 
>> > ignorance. I appreciate your help in guiding a novice along this way. :)
>> >
>> > -- 
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>> Groups "pandoc-discuss" group.
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>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/db3cff52-8ca3-4d81-91ae-6888eb10e451n%40googlegroups.com
>> .
>>
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Re: Pandoc Citation Error with Zotero BibTex Key for Short Note

[Matthew Lynskey]

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Thanks for the advice here. 

I updated Pandoc via Terminal using *brew upgrade pandoc* but it only 
brought it to *pandoc 2.10.1*. Any advice on how to get it to pandoc 
2.11.1.1? 

Again, I am a newbie here and would appreciate any guidance?

Many thanks in advance!

On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:55:00 PM UTC-5 John MacFarlane wrote:

>
> Ah. Try getting the latest version of pandoc (2.11.1.1).
> Citation support was completely overhauled in 2.11
> (so the pandoc-citeproc filter is no longer necessary;
> instead, you use the --citeproc option). It should
> be much better in general, so see if you get the same
> results with the latest pandoc.
>
> Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes:
>
> > Thanks for the question. I checked this in terminal and this is what the 
> > output is:
> >
> > pandoc 2.10.1
> >
> > Compiled with pandoc-types 1.21, texmath 0.12.0.2, skylighting 0.8.5
> >
> > Copyright (C) 2006-2020 John MacFarlane
> >
> > On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:10:28 PM UTC-5 John MacFarlane wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> It's very important to know here what pandoc --version says.
> >>
> >> Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes:
> >>
> >> > Hello. I am fairly new to Pandoc. I am seeking to use the Chicago 
> Short 
> >> > Note .csl from Zotero. I believe I have downloaded the most recent 
> >> version. 
> >> > I am also using the BibTex citation key in a footnote of a Markdown 
> that 
> >> > outputs to .docx. My goal is to process these through Pandoc.
> >> >
> >> > When I use the .csl short note style and the citation key and process 
> it 
> >> > through Pandoc (i.e., DocDown). I have two (interrelated?) issues 
> that 
> >> come 
> >> > up. I am trying to resolve and would appreciate any help and guidance.
> >> >
> >> > 1. *Punctuation*: My BibTex key for the following resource is 
> >> > @KearneyIntroduction2006. This is a book section and when I write 
> >> > @KearneyIntroduction2006, xvi the .csl file output comes out like 
> this:
> >> >
> >> > Kearney, “Introduction.”, xvi
> >> >
> >> > I have added the comma but the period does not go away. 
> Interestingly, 
> >> when 
> >> > I use a BibTex citation key for a book (an item that does not have 
> >> > quotation marks in its output like a journal or book section), it 
> seems 
> >> to 
> >> > work fine. For example, @Hubscher-DavidsonTranslation2017, 3-4 comes 
> out 
> >> > like Hubscher-Davidson, Translation and Emotion, 3-4. Notice that I 
> >> added 
> >> > the comma and this time it removed (what I think would be) a 
> naturally 
> >> > generated period by Zotero.
> >> >
> >> > 2. *Subsequent References*: Additionally, when I have two references 
> >> > following each other in sequence I get the following result.
> >> >
> >> > Hubscher-Davidson, *Translation and Emotion*, 3-4. 
> >> > Hubscher-Davidson, 7. 
> >> >
> >> > I do not want to use ibid style. 
> >> >
> >> > *Ideally, I would like the short note to reproduce the author and 
> short 
> >> > title each time.* (i.e., I would like to produce Hubscher-Davidson, 
> >> *Translation 
> >> > and Emotion* for all citations and then point this short reference to 
> my 
> >> > bibliography.)
> >> >
> >> > Does anyone have any guidance on this issue(s)?
> >> >
> >> > Thank you for any guidance. This might be a basic question asked in 
> >> > ignorance. I appreciate your help in guiding a novice along this way. 
> :)
> >> >
> >> > -- 
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> send 
> >> an email to pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
> >> > To view this discussion on the web visit 
> >> 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/db3cff52-8ca3-4d81-91ae-6888eb10e451n%40googlegroups.com
> >> .
> >>
> >
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Re: Pandoc Citation Error with Zotero BibTex Key for Short Note

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"brew upgrade" should do it all by itself. Homebrew has version 2.11.1.1 as 
of my writing:



On Thursday, 12 November 2020 at 18:01:10 UTC-5 ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org 
wrote:

> Thanks for the advice here. 
>
> I updated Pandoc via Terminal using *brew upgrade pandoc* but it only 
> brought it to *pandoc 2.10.1*. Any advice on how to get it to pandoc 
> 2.11.1.1? 
>
> Again, I am a newbie here and would appreciate any guidance?
>
> Many thanks in advance!
>
> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:55:00 PM UTC-5 John MacFarlane wrote:
>
>>
>> Ah. Try getting the latest version of pandoc (2.11.1.1). 
>> Citation support was completely overhauled in 2.11 
>> (so the pandoc-citeproc filter is no longer necessary; 
>> instead, you use the --citeproc option). It should 
>> be much better in general, so see if you get the same 
>> results with the latest pandoc. 
>>
>> Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>>
>> > Thanks for the question. I checked this in terminal and this is what 
>> the 
>> > output is: 
>> > 
>> > pandoc 2.10.1 
>> > 
>> > Compiled with pandoc-types 1.21, texmath 0.12.0.2, skylighting 0.8.5 
>> > 
>> > Copyright (C) 2006-2020 John MacFarlane 
>> > 
>> > On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:10:28 PM UTC-5 John MacFarlane 
>> wrote: 
>> > 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> It's very important to know here what pandoc --version says. 
>> >> 
>> >> Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>> >> 
>> >> > Hello. I am fairly new to Pandoc. I am seeking to use the Chicago 
>> Short 
>> >> > Note .csl from Zotero. I believe I have downloaded the most recent 
>> >> version. 
>> >> > I am also using the BibTex citation key in a footnote of a Markdown 
>> that 
>> >> > outputs to .docx. My goal is to process these through Pandoc. 
>> >> > 
>> >> > When I use the .csl short note style and the citation key and 
>> process it 
>> >> > through Pandoc (i.e., DocDown). I have two (interrelated?) issues 
>> that 
>> >> come 
>> >> > up. I am trying to resolve and would appreciate any help and 
>> guidance. 
>> >> > 
>> >> > 1. *Punctuation*: My BibTex key for the following resource is 
>> >> > @KearneyIntroduction2006. This is a book section and when I write 
>> >> > @KearneyIntroduction2006, xvi the .csl file output comes out like 
>> this: 
>> >> > 
>> >> > Kearney, “Introduction.”, xvi 
>> >> > 
>> >> > I have added the comma but the period does not go away. 
>> Interestingly, 
>> >> when 
>> >> > I use a BibTex citation key for a book (an item that does not have 
>> >> > quotation marks in its output like a journal or book section), it 
>> seems 
>> >> to 
>> >> > work fine. For example, @Hubscher-DavidsonTranslation2017, 3-4 comes 
>> out 
>> >> > like Hubscher-Davidson, Translation and Emotion, 3-4. Notice that I 
>> >> added 
>> >> > the comma and this time it removed (what I think would be) a 
>> naturally 
>> >> > generated period by Zotero. 
>> >> > 
>> >> > 2. *Subsequent References*: Additionally, when I have two references 
>> >> > following each other in sequence I get the following result. 
>> >> > 
>> >> > Hubscher-Davidson, *Translation and Emotion*, 3-4. 
>> >> > Hubscher-Davidson, 7. 
>> >> > 
>> >> > I do not want to use ibid style. 
>> >> > 
>> >> > *Ideally, I would like the short note to reproduce the author and 
>> short 
>> >> > title each time.* (i.e., I would like to produce Hubscher-Davidson, 
>> >> *Translation 
>> >> > and Emotion* for all citations and then point this short reference 
>> to my 
>> >> > bibliography.) 
>> >> > 
>> >> > Does anyone have any guidance on this issue(s)? 
>> >> > 
>> >> > Thank you for any guidance. This might be a basic question asked in 
>> >> > ignorance. I appreciate your help in guiding a novice along this 
>> way. :) 
>> >> > 
>> >> > -- 
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>> >> 
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Re: Pandoc Citation Error with Zotero BibTex Key for Short Note

[Matthew Lynskey]

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Alright. I am upgraded to version 2.11.1.1. Thanks for the help here.

When I process the BibTex Key through Pandoc I end up with citations like 
below. The same issues as described above seem to be occurring. (Notice the *punctuation 
issue* [which seems to happen with journal articles/book sections that have 
quotation marks but works fairly good with books which get italicized] and 
also that the *second reference* does not produce the title only the 
author).

[1] Kearney, “Introduction.”, xvi.
[2] Kearney, 3.

Any thoughts?
On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 7:05:26 PM UTC-5 jmuc...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote:

> "brew upgrade" should do it all by itself. Homebrew has version 2.11.1.1 
> as of my writing:
>
>
>
> On Thursday, 12 November 2020 at 18:01:10 UTC-5 ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the advice here. 
>>
>> I updated Pandoc via Terminal using *brew upgrade pandoc* but it only 
>> brought it to *pandoc 2.10.1*. Any advice on how to get it to pandoc 
>> 2.11.1.1? 
>>
>> Again, I am a newbie here and would appreciate any guidance?
>>
>> Many thanks in advance!
>>
>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:55:00 PM UTC-5 John MacFarlane wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Ah. Try getting the latest version of pandoc (2.11.1.1). 
>>> Citation support was completely overhauled in 2.11 
>>> (so the pandoc-citeproc filter is no longer necessary; 
>>> instead, you use the --citeproc option). It should 
>>> be much better in general, so see if you get the same 
>>> results with the latest pandoc. 
>>>
>>> Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>>>
>>> > Thanks for the question. I checked this in terminal and this is what 
>>> the 
>>> > output is: 
>>> > 
>>> > pandoc 2.10.1 
>>> > 
>>> > Compiled with pandoc-types 1.21, texmath 0.12.0.2, skylighting 0.8.5 
>>> > 
>>> > Copyright (C) 2006-2020 John MacFarlane 
>>> > 
>>> > On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:10:28 PM UTC-5 John MacFarlane 
>>> wrote: 
>>> > 
>>> >> 
>>> >> 
>>> >> It's very important to know here what pandoc --version says. 
>>> >> 
>>> >> Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>>> >> 
>>> >> > Hello. I am fairly new to Pandoc. I am seeking to use the Chicago 
>>> Short 
>>> >> > Note .csl from Zotero. I believe I have downloaded the most recent 
>>> >> version. 
>>> >> > I am also using the BibTex citation key in a footnote of a Markdown 
>>> that 
>>> >> > outputs to .docx. My goal is to process these through Pandoc. 
>>> >> > 
>>> >> > When I use the .csl short note style and the citation key and 
>>> process it 
>>> >> > through Pandoc (i.e., DocDown). I have two (interrelated?) issues 
>>> that 
>>> >> come 
>>> >> > up. I am trying to resolve and would appreciate any help and 
>>> guidance. 
>>> >> > 
>>> >> > 1. *Punctuation*: My BibTex key for the following resource is 
>>> >> > @KearneyIntroduction2006. This is a book section and when I write 
>>> >> > @KearneyIntroduction2006, xvi the .csl file output comes out like 
>>> this: 
>>> >> > 
>>> >> > Kearney, “Introduction.”, xvi 
>>> >> > 
>>> >> > I have added the comma but the period does not go away. 
>>> Interestingly, 
>>> >> when 
>>> >> > I use a BibTex citation key for a book (an item that does not have 
>>> >> > quotation marks in its output like a journal or book section), it 
>>> seems 
>>> >> to 
>>> >> > work fine. For example, @Hubscher-DavidsonTranslation2017, 3-4 
>>> comes out 
>>> >> > like Hubscher-Davidson, Translation and Emotion, 3-4. Notice that I 
>>> >> added 
>>> >> > the comma and this time it removed (what I think would be) a 
>>> naturally 
>>> >> > generated period by Zotero. 
>>> >> > 
>>> >> > 2. *Subsequent References*: Additionally, when I have two 
>>> references 
>>> >> > following each other in sequence I get the following result. 
>>> >> > 
>>> >> > Hubscher-Davidson, *Translation and Emotion*, 3-4. 
>>> >> > Hubscher-Davidson, 7. 
>>> >> > 
>>> >> > I do not want to use ibid style. 
>>> >> > 
>>> >> > *Ideally, I would like the short note to reproduce the author and 
>>> short 
>>> >> > title each time.* (i.e., I would like to produce Hubscher-Davidson, 
>>> >> *Translation 
>>> >> > and Emotion* for all citations and then point this short reference 
>>> to my 
>>> >> > bibliography.) 
>>> >> > 
>>> >> > Does anyone have any guidance on this issue(s)? 
>>> >> > 
>>> >> > Thank you for any guidance. This might be a basic question asked in 
>>> >> > ignorance. I appreciate your help in guiding a novice along this 
>>> way. :) 
>>> >> > 
>>> >> > -- 
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>>> >> 
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/db3cff52-8ca3-4d81-91ae-6888eb10e451n%40googlegroups.com 
>>> >> . 
>>> >> 
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Re: Pandoc Citation Error with Zotero BibTex Key for Short Note

[Matthew Lynskey]

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Also, if it helps, I am using this .csl 
file: chicago-note-bibliography: https://github.com/citation-style-language/styles/blob/master/chicago-note-bibliography.csl.

On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 7:42:13 PM UTC-5 Matthew Lynskey wrote:

> Alright. I am upgraded to version 2.11.1.1. Thanks for the help here.
>
> When I process the BibTex Key through Pandoc I end up with citations like 
> below. The same issues as described above seem to be occurring. (Notice the *punctuation 
> issue* [which seems to happen with journal articles/book sections that 
> have quotation marks but works fairly good with books which get italicized] 
> and also that the *second reference* does not produce the title only the 
> author).
>
> [1] Kearney, “Introduction.”, xvi.
> [2] Kearney, 3.
>
> Any thoughts?
> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 7:05:26 PM UTC-5 jmuc...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org 
> wrote:
>
>> "brew upgrade" should do it all by itself. Homebrew has version 2.11.1.1 
>> as of my writing:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, 12 November 2020 at 18:01:10 UTC-5 ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOMXa4x6EXUF0@public.gmane.orgg 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the advice here. 
>>>
>>> I updated Pandoc via Terminal using *brew upgrade pandoc* but it only 
>>> brought it to *pandoc 2.10.1*. Any advice on how to get it to pandoc 
>>> 2.11.1.1? 
>>>
>>> Again, I am a newbie here and would appreciate any guidance?
>>>
>>> Many thanks in advance!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:55:00 PM UTC-5 John MacFarlane wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ah. Try getting the latest version of pandoc (2.11.1.1). 
>>>> Citation support was completely overhauled in 2.11 
>>>> (so the pandoc-citeproc filter is no longer necessary; 
>>>> instead, you use the --citeproc option). It should 
>>>> be much better in general, so see if you get the same 
>>>> results with the latest pandoc. 
>>>>
>>>> Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>>>>
>>>> > Thanks for the question. I checked this in terminal and this is what 
>>>> the 
>>>> > output is: 
>>>> > 
>>>> > pandoc 2.10.1 
>>>> > 
>>>> > Compiled with pandoc-types 1.21, texmath 0.12.0.2, skylighting 0.8.5 
>>>> > 
>>>> > Copyright (C) 2006-2020 John MacFarlane 
>>>> > 
>>>> > On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:10:28 PM UTC-5 John MacFarlane 
>>>> wrote: 
>>>> > 
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> It's very important to know here what pandoc --version says. 
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> > Hello. I am fairly new to Pandoc. I am seeking to use the Chicago 
>>>> Short 
>>>> >> > Note .csl from Zotero. I believe I have downloaded the most recent 
>>>> >> version. 
>>>> >> > I am also using the BibTex citation key in a footnote of a 
>>>> Markdown that 
>>>> >> > outputs to .docx. My goal is to process these through Pandoc. 
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> > When I use the .csl short note style and the citation key and 
>>>> process it 
>>>> >> > through Pandoc (i.e., DocDown). I have two (interrelated?) issues 
>>>> that 
>>>> >> come 
>>>> >> > up. I am trying to resolve and would appreciate any help and 
>>>> guidance. 
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> > 1. *Punctuation*: My BibTex key for the following resource is 
>>>> >> > @KearneyIntroduction2006. This is a book section and when I write 
>>>> >> > @KearneyIntroduction2006, xvi the .csl file output comes out like 
>>>> this: 
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> > Kearney, “Introduction.”, xvi 
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> > I have added the comma but the period does not go away. 
>>>> Interestingly, 
>>>> >> when 
>>>> >> > I use a BibTex citation key for a book (an item that does not have 
>>>> >> > quotation marks in its output like a journal or book section), it 
>>>> seems 
>>>> >> to 
>>>> >> > work fine. For example, @Hubscher-DavidsonTranslation2017, 3-4 
>>>> comes out 
>>>> >> > like Hubscher-Davidson, Translation and Emotion, 3-4. Notice that 
>>>> I 
>>>> >> added 
>>>> >> > the comma and this time it removed (what I think would be) a 
>>>> naturally 
>>>> >> > generated period by Zotero. 
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> > 2. *Subsequent References*: Additionally, when I have two 
>>>> references 
>>>> >> > following each other in sequence I get the following result. 
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> > Hubscher-Davidson, *Translation and Emotion*, 3-4. 
>>>> >> > Hubscher-Davidson, 7. 
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> > I do not want to use ibid style. 
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> > *Ideally, I would like the short note to reproduce the author and 
>>>> short 
>>>> >> > title each time.* (i.e., I would like to produce 
>>>> Hubscher-Davidson, 
>>>> >> *Translation 
>>>> >> > and Emotion* for all citations and then point this short reference 
>>>> to my 
>>>> >> > bibliography.) 
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> > Does anyone have any guidance on this issue(s)? 
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> > Thank you for any guidance. This might be a basic question asked 
>>>> in 
>>>> >> > ignorance. I appreciate your help in guiding a novice along this 
>>>> way. :) 
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> > -- 
>>>> >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
>>>> >> Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. 
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>>>> send 
>>>> >> an email to pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org 
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>>>> >> 
>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/db3cff52-8ca3-4d81-91ae-6888eb10e451n%40googlegroups.com 
>>>> >> . 
>>>> >> 
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Re: Pandoc Citation Error with Zotero BibTex Key for Short Note

[John MacFarlane]

The second issue probably just reflects the style, which
can use a shortened form when the work has just been cited.
Do you have reason to believe pandoc is not following
the rules in the csl file?

The first issue may be something we can improve.  Why
don't you submit a bug report on our tracker, with
full information sufficient for reproducing it, so we
don't lose track?  https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues

Matthew Lynskey <matt-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes:

> Alright. I am upgraded to version 2.11.1.1. Thanks for the help here.
>
> When I process the BibTex Key through Pandoc I end up with citations like 
> below. The same issues as described above seem to be occurring. (Notice the *punctuation 
> issue* [which seems to happen with journal articles/book sections that have 
> quotation marks but works fairly good with books which get italicized] and 
> also that the *second reference* does not produce the title only the 
> author).
>
> [1] Kearney, “Introduction.”, xvi.
> [2] Kearney, 3.
>
> Any thoughts?
> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 7:05:26 PM UTC-5 jmuc...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote:
>
>> "brew upgrade" should do it all by itself. Homebrew has version 2.11.1.1 
>> as of my writing:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, 12 November 2020 at 18:01:10 UTC-5 ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOMXa4x6EXUF0@public.gmane.orgg 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the advice here. 
>>>
>>> I updated Pandoc via Terminal using *brew upgrade pandoc* but it only 
>>> brought it to *pandoc 2.10.1*. Any advice on how to get it to pandoc 
>>> 2.11.1.1? 
>>>
>>> Again, I am a newbie here and would appreciate any guidance?
>>>
>>> Many thanks in advance!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:55:00 PM UTC-5 John MacFarlane wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ah. Try getting the latest version of pandoc (2.11.1.1). 
>>>> Citation support was completely overhauled in 2.11 
>>>> (so the pandoc-citeproc filter is no longer necessary; 
>>>> instead, you use the --citeproc option). It should 
>>>> be much better in general, so see if you get the same 
>>>> results with the latest pandoc. 
>>>>
>>>> Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>>>>
>>>> > Thanks for the question. I checked this in terminal and this is what 
>>>> the 
>>>> > output is: 
>>>> > 
>>>> > pandoc 2.10.1 
>>>> > 
>>>> > Compiled with pandoc-types 1.21, texmath 0.12.0.2, skylighting 0.8.5 
>>>> > 
>>>> > Copyright (C) 2006-2020 John MacFarlane 
>>>> > 
>>>> > On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:10:28 PM UTC-5 John MacFarlane 
>>>> wrote: 
>>>> > 
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> It's very important to know here what pandoc --version says. 
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> > Hello. I am fairly new to Pandoc. I am seeking to use the Chicago 
>>>> Short 
>>>> >> > Note .csl from Zotero. I believe I have downloaded the most recent 
>>>> >> version. 
>>>> >> > I am also using the BibTex citation key in a footnote of a Markdown 
>>>> that 
>>>> >> > outputs to .docx. My goal is to process these through Pandoc. 
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> > When I use the .csl short note style and the citation key and 
>>>> process it 
>>>> >> > through Pandoc (i.e., DocDown). I have two (interrelated?) issues 
>>>> that 
>>>> >> come 
>>>> >> > up. I am trying to resolve and would appreciate any help and 
>>>> guidance. 
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> > 1. *Punctuation*: My BibTex key for the following resource is 
>>>> >> > @KearneyIntroduction2006. This is a book section and when I write 
>>>> >> > @KearneyIntroduction2006, xvi the .csl file output comes out like 
>>>> this: 
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> > Kearney, “Introduction.”, xvi 
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> > I have added the comma but the period does not go away. 
>>>> Interestingly, 
>>>> >> when 
>>>> >> > I use a BibTex citation key for a book (an item that does not have 
>>>> >> > quotation marks in its output like a journal or book section), it 
>>>> seems 
>>>> >> to 
>>>> >> > work fine. For example, @Hubscher-DavidsonTranslation2017, 3-4 
>>>> comes out 
>>>> >> > like Hubscher-Davidson, Translation and Emotion, 3-4. Notice that I 
>>>> >> added 
>>>> >> > the comma and this time it removed (what I think would be) a 
>>>> naturally 
>>>> >> > generated period by Zotero. 
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> > 2. *Subsequent References*: Additionally, when I have two 
>>>> references 
>>>> >> > following each other in sequence I get the following result. 
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> > Hubscher-Davidson, *Translation and Emotion*, 3-4. 
>>>> >> > Hubscher-Davidson, 7. 
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> > I do not want to use ibid style. 
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> > *Ideally, I would like the short note to reproduce the author and 
>>>> short 
>>>> >> > title each time.* (i.e., I would like to produce Hubscher-Davidson, 
>>>> >> *Translation 
>>>> >> > and Emotion* for all citations and then point this short reference 
>>>> to my 
>>>> >> > bibliography.) 
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> > Does anyone have any guidance on this issue(s)? 
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> > Thank you for any guidance. This might be a basic question asked in 
>>>> >> > ignorance. I appreciate your help in guiding a novice along this 
>>>> way. :) 
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> > -- 
>>>> >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
>>>> >> Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. 
>>>> >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, 
>>>> send 
>>>> >> an email to pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org 
>>>> >> > To view this discussion on the web visit 
>>>> >> 
>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/db3cff52-8ca3-4d81-91ae-6888eb10e451n%40googlegroups.com 
>>>> >> . 
>>>> >> 
>>>> > 
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>>>>
>>>
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Re: Pandoc Citation Error with Zotero BibTex Key for Short Note

[John MacFarlane]

It would help to have the bibtex bibliography entry you're using
for the Kearney item, and the exact markdown citation you're
using.



John MacFarlane <jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> writes:

> The second issue probably just reflects the style, which
> can use a shortened form when the work has just been cited.
> Do you have reason to believe pandoc is not following
> the rules in the csl file?
>
> The first issue may be something we can improve.  Why
> don't you submit a bug report on our tracker, with
> full information sufficient for reproducing it, so we
> don't lose track?  https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues
>
> Matthew Lynskey <matt-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes:
>
>> Alright. I am upgraded to version 2.11.1.1. Thanks for the help here.
>>
>> When I process the BibTex Key through Pandoc I end up with citations like 
>> below. The same issues as described above seem to be occurring. (Notice the *punctuation 
>> issue* [which seems to happen with journal articles/book sections that have 
>> quotation marks but works fairly good with books which get italicized] and 
>> also that the *second reference* does not produce the title only the 
>> author).
>>
>> [1] Kearney, “Introduction.”, xvi.
>> [2] Kearney, 3.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 7:05:26 PM UTC-5 jmuc...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote:
>>
>>> "brew upgrade" should do it all by itself. Homebrew has version 2.11.1.1 
>>> as of my writing:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, 12 November 2020 at 18:01:10 UTC-5 ma...@noblecollective.org 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for the advice here. 
>>>>
>>>> I updated Pandoc via Terminal using *brew upgrade pandoc* but it only 
>>>> brought it to *pandoc 2.10.1*. Any advice on how to get it to pandoc 
>>>> 2.11.1.1? 
>>>>
>>>> Again, I am a newbie here and would appreciate any guidance?
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks in advance!
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:55:00 PM UTC-5 John MacFarlane wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah. Try getting the latest version of pandoc (2.11.1.1). 
>>>>> Citation support was completely overhauled in 2.11 
>>>>> (so the pandoc-citeproc filter is no longer necessary; 
>>>>> instead, you use the --citeproc option). It should 
>>>>> be much better in general, so see if you get the same 
>>>>> results with the latest pandoc. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>>>>>
>>>>> > Thanks for the question. I checked this in terminal and this is what 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> > output is: 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > pandoc 2.10.1 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > Compiled with pandoc-types 1.21, texmath 0.12.0.2, skylighting 0.8.5 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > Copyright (C) 2006-2020 John MacFarlane 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:10:28 PM UTC-5 John MacFarlane 
>>>>> wrote: 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> >> 
>>>>> >> 
>>>>> >> It's very important to know here what pandoc --version says. 
>>>>> >> 
>>>>> >> Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>>>>> >> 
>>>>> >> > Hello. I am fairly new to Pandoc. I am seeking to use the Chicago 
>>>>> Short 
>>>>> >> > Note .csl from Zotero. I believe I have downloaded the most recent 
>>>>> >> version. 
>>>>> >> > I am also using the BibTex citation key in a footnote of a Markdown 
>>>>> that 
>>>>> >> > outputs to .docx. My goal is to process these through Pandoc. 
>>>>> >> > 
>>>>> >> > When I use the .csl short note style and the citation key and 
>>>>> process it 
>>>>> >> > through Pandoc (i.e., DocDown). I have two (interrelated?) issues 
>>>>> that 
>>>>> >> come 
>>>>> >> > up. I am trying to resolve and would appreciate any help and 
>>>>> guidance. 
>>>>> >> > 
>>>>> >> > 1. *Punctuation*: My BibTex key for the following resource is 
>>>>> >> > @KearneyIntroduction2006. This is a book section and when I write 
>>>>> >> > @KearneyIntroduction2006, xvi the .csl file output comes out like 
>>>>> this: 
>>>>> >> > 
>>>>> >> > Kearney, “Introduction.”, xvi 
>>>>> >> > 
>>>>> >> > I have added the comma but the period does not go away. 
>>>>> Interestingly, 
>>>>> >> when 
>>>>> >> > I use a BibTex citation key for a book (an item that does not have 
>>>>> >> > quotation marks in its output like a journal or book section), it 
>>>>> seems 
>>>>> >> to 
>>>>> >> > work fine. For example, @Hubscher-DavidsonTranslation2017, 3-4 
>>>>> comes out 
>>>>> >> > like Hubscher-Davidson, Translation and Emotion, 3-4. Notice that I 
>>>>> >> added 
>>>>> >> > the comma and this time it removed (what I think would be) a 
>>>>> naturally 
>>>>> >> > generated period by Zotero. 
>>>>> >> > 
>>>>> >> > 2. *Subsequent References*: Additionally, when I have two 
>>>>> references 
>>>>> >> > following each other in sequence I get the following result. 
>>>>> >> > 
>>>>> >> > Hubscher-Davidson, *Translation and Emotion*, 3-4. 
>>>>> >> > Hubscher-Davidson, 7. 
>>>>> >> > 
>>>>> >> > I do not want to use ibid style. 
>>>>> >> > 
>>>>> >> > *Ideally, I would like the short note to reproduce the author and 
>>>>> short 
>>>>> >> > title each time.* (i.e., I would like to produce Hubscher-Davidson, 
>>>>> >> *Translation 
>>>>> >> > and Emotion* for all citations and then point this short reference 
>>>>> to my 
>>>>> >> > bibliography.) 
>>>>> >> > 
>>>>> >> > Does anyone have any guidance on this issue(s)? 
>>>>> >> > 
>>>>> >> > Thank you for any guidance. This might be a basic question asked in 
>>>>> >> > ignorance. I appreciate your help in guiding a novice along this 
>>>>> way. :) 
>>>>> >> > 
>>>>> >> > -- 
>>>>> >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
>>>>> >> Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. 
>>>>> >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, 
>>>>> send 
>>>>> >> an email to pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org 
>>>>> >> > To view this discussion on the web visit 
>>>>> >> 
>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/db3cff52-8ca3-4d81-91ae-6888eb10e451n%40googlegroups.com 
>>>>> >> . 
>>>>> >> 
>>>>> > 
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Re: Pandoc Citation Error with Zotero BibTex Key for Short Note

[Matthew Lynskey]

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Thanks for the help. I will try to go and submit a bug report for this.

Attached are 1) references from Zotero in Better BibTex, 2) the "Test" md 
file, and 3) the Test.docx output. 

In terms of the style issue regarding the lack of a title. I don't 
understand code or .csl format and would not be able to tell if it is 
reading the style correctly. If it is, this seems like an odd format as I 
have not seen a short-subsequent style that left out the title and only had 
author's name. If this is the case, do you have any insight into a .csl 
style that would do short style every time? (see below for an example) 

[1]: Kearney, “Introduction,” xvi. 
[2]: Kearney, “Introduction,” 3. 
[3]:  Kearney, “Introduction,” 35. 

I appreciate your help and guidance here.
On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 8:51:36 PM UTC-5 John MacFarlane wrote:

>
> It would help to have the bibtex bibliography entry you're using
> for the Kearney item, and the exact markdown citation you're
> using.
>
>
>
> John MacFarlane <j...-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> writes:
>
> > The second issue probably just reflects the style, which
> > can use a shortened form when the work has just been cited.
> > Do you have reason to believe pandoc is not following
> > the rules in the csl file?
> >
> > The first issue may be something we can improve. Why
> > don't you submit a bug report on our tracker, with
> > full information sufficient for reproducing it, so we
> > don't lose track? https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues
> >
> > Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes:
> >
> >> Alright. I am upgraded to version 2.11.1.1. Thanks for the help here.
> >>
> >> When I process the BibTex Key through Pandoc I end up with citations 
> like 
> >> below. The same issues as described above seem to be occurring. (Notice 
> the *punctuation 
> >> issue* [which seems to happen with journal articles/book sections that 
> have 
> >> quotation marks but works fairly good with books which get italicized] 
> and 
> >> also that the *second reference* does not produce the title only the 
> >> author).
> >>
> >> [1] Kearney, “Introduction.”, xvi.
> >> [2] Kearney, 3.
> >>
> >> Any thoughts?
> >> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 7:05:26 PM UTC-5 jmuc...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> "brew upgrade" should do it all by itself. Homebrew has version 
> 2.11.1.1 
> >>> as of my writing:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thursday, 12 November 2020 at 18:01:10 UTC-5 
> ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Thanks for the advice here. 
> >>>>
> >>>> I updated Pandoc via Terminal using *brew upgrade pandoc* but it only 
> >>>> brought it to *pandoc 2.10.1*. Any advice on how to get it to pandoc 
> >>>> 2.11.1.1? 
> >>>>
> >>>> Again, I am a newbie here and would appreciate any guidance?
> >>>>
> >>>> Many thanks in advance!
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:55:00 PM UTC-5 John MacFarlane 
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ah. Try getting the latest version of pandoc (2.11.1.1). 
> >>>>> Citation support was completely overhauled in 2.11 
> >>>>> (so the pandoc-citeproc filter is no longer necessary; 
> >>>>> instead, you use the --citeproc option). It should 
> >>>>> be much better in general, so see if you get the same 
> >>>>> results with the latest pandoc. 
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
> >>>>>
> >>>>> > Thanks for the question. I checked this in terminal and this is 
> what 
> >>>>> the 
> >>>>> > output is: 
> >>>>> > 
> >>>>> > pandoc 2.10.1 
> >>>>> > 
> >>>>> > Compiled with pandoc-types 1.21, texmath 0.12.0.2, skylighting 
> 0.8.5 
> >>>>> > 
> >>>>> > Copyright (C) 2006-2020 John MacFarlane 
> >>>>> > 
> >>>>> > On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:10:28 PM UTC-5 John MacFarlane 
> >>>>> wrote: 
> >>>>> > 
> >>>>> >> 
> >>>>> >> 
> >>>>> >> It's very important to know here what pandoc --version says. 
> >>>>> >> 
> >>>>> >> Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
> >>>>> >> 
> >>>>> >> > Hello. I am fairly new to Pandoc. I am seeking to use the 
> Chicago 
> >>>>> Short 
> >>>>> >> > Note .csl from Zotero. I believe I have downloaded the most 
> recent 
> >>>>> >> version. 
> >>>>> >> > I am also using the BibTex citation key in a footnote of a 
> Markdown 
> >>>>> that 
> >>>>> >> > outputs to .docx. My goal is to process these through Pandoc. 
> >>>>> >> > 
> >>>>> >> > When I use the .csl short note style and the citation key and 
> >>>>> process it 
> >>>>> >> > through Pandoc (i.e., DocDown). I have two (interrelated?) 
> issues 
> >>>>> that 
> >>>>> >> come 
> >>>>> >> > up. I am trying to resolve and would appreciate any help and 
> >>>>> guidance. 
> >>>>> >> > 
> >>>>> >> > 1. *Punctuation*: My BibTex key for the following resource is 
> >>>>> >> > @KearneyIntroduction2006. This is a book section and when I 
> write 
> >>>>> >> > @KearneyIntroduction2006, xvi the .csl file output comes out 
> like 
> >>>>> this: 
> >>>>> >> > 
> >>>>> >> > Kearney, “Introduction.”, xvi 
> >>>>> >> > 
> >>>>> >> > I have added the comma but the period does not go away. 
> >>>>> Interestingly, 
> >>>>> >> when 
> >>>>> >> > I use a BibTex citation key for a book (an item that does not 
> have 
> >>>>> >> > quotation marks in its output like a journal or book section), 
> it 
> >>>>> seems 
> >>>>> >> to 
> >>>>> >> > work fine. For example, @Hubscher-DavidsonTranslation2017, 3-4 
> >>>>> comes out 
> >>>>> >> > like Hubscher-Davidson, Translation and Emotion, 3-4. Notice 
> that I 
> >>>>> >> added 
> >>>>> >> > the comma and this time it removed (what I think would be) a 
> >>>>> naturally 
> >>>>> >> > generated period by Zotero. 
> >>>>> >> > 
> >>>>> >> > 2. *Subsequent References*: Additionally, when I have two 
> >>>>> references 
> >>>>> >> > following each other in sequence I get the following result. 
> >>>>> >> > 
> >>>>> >> > Hubscher-Davidson, *Translation and Emotion*, 3-4. 
> >>>>> >> > Hubscher-Davidson, 7. 
> >>>>> >> > 
> >>>>> >> > I do not want to use ibid style. 
> >>>>> >> > 
> >>>>> >> > *Ideally, I would like the short note to reproduce the author 
> and 
> >>>>> short 
> >>>>> >> > title each time.* (i.e., I would like to produce 
> Hubscher-Davidson, 
> >>>>> >> *Translation 
> >>>>> >> > and Emotion* for all citations and then point this short 
> reference 
> >>>>> to my 
> >>>>> >> > bibliography.) 
> >>>>> >> > 
> >>>>> >> > Does anyone have any guidance on this issue(s)? 
> >>>>> >> > 
> >>>>> >> > Thank you for any guidance. This might be a basic question 
> asked in 
> >>>>> >> > ignorance. I appreciate your help in guiding a novice along 
> this 
> >>>>> way. :) 
> >>>>> >> > 
> >>>>> >> > -- 
> >>>>> >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the 
> Google 
> >>>>> >> Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. 
> >>>>> >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from 
> it, 
> >>>>> send 
> >>>>> >> an email to pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org 
> >>>>> >> > To view this discussion on the web visit 
> >>>>> >> 
> >>>>> 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/db3cff52-8ca3-4d81-91ae-6888eb10e451n%40googlegroups.com 
> >>>>> >> . 
> >>>>> >> 
> >>>>> > 
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> >>>>> 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/9cd04da6-1664-4645-99da-da571caf40c2n%40googlegroups.com. 
>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
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@incollection{KearneyIntroduction2006,
  title = {Introduction},
  booktitle = {On Translation},
  author = {Kearney, Richard},
  year = {2006},
  pages = {xx, 46 pages},
  publisher = {{Routledge}},
  address = {{London}},
  doi = {10.7202/016668ar},
  abstract = {Paul Ricoeur was one of the most important philosophers of the twentieth century. In this short and accessible book, he turns to a topic at the heart of much of his work: What is translation and why is it so important? Reminding us that The Bible, the Koran, the Torah and the works of the great philosophers are often only ever read in translation, Ricoeur reminds us that translation not only spreads knowledge but can change its very meaning. In spite of these risk, he argues that in a climate of ethnic and religious conflict, the art and ethics of translation are invaluable. Drawing on interesting examples such as the translation of early Greek philosophy during the Renaissance, the poetry of Paul Celan and the work of Hannah Arendt, he reflects not only on the challenges of translating one language into another but how one community speaks to another. Throughout, Ricoeur shows how to move through life is to navigate a world that requires translation itself. Paul Ricoeur died in 2005. He was one of the great contemporary French philosophers and a leading figure in hermeneutics, psychoanalytic thought, literary theory and religion. His many books include Freud and Philosophy and Time and Narrative.},
  annotation = {Translators: \_:n1256},
  isbn = {9780415357777 (HBK. ALK. PAPER) 0415357772 (HBK. ALK. PAPER) 9780415357784 (PBK. ALK. PAPER) 0415357780 (PBK. ALK. PAPER)},
  keywords = {Translating and interpreting},
  language = {en},
  series = {Thinking in Action},
  translator = {Brennan, Eileen}
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@incollection{MackayTwo1948,
  title = {Two Perspectives: The Balcony and the Road},
  booktitle = {A Preface to {{Christian}} Theology},
  author = {Mackay, John Alexander},
  year = {1948},
  pages = {27--54},
  publisher = {{Nisbet \& Company}},
  address = {{London}},
  file = {/Users/mattlynskey/Dropbox/Research Library/Book Section/Mackay, John Alexander - 1948 - Two perspectives.pdf},
  googlebooks = {IchZAAAAMAAJ},
  language = {en}
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[^1]:	Cf. @MulhollandJrShaped1985, 20.

[^2]:	@GadamerTruth2004, 386.

[^3]:	@GadamerTruth2004, 245.

[^4]: @KearneyIntroduction2006, xvi.

[^5]:	@KearneyIntroduction2006, 3.

[^6]: @MackayTwo1948, 5

[^7]: @MackayTwo1948, 34.

[^8]: @DouglasCollaborative2007, 15.

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  title = {Truth and Method},
  author = {Gadamer, Hans-Georg},
  year = {2004},
  edition = {Second},
  publisher = {{Continuum}},
  address = {{London}},
  annotation = {Translators: \_:n1323},
  file = {/Users/mattlynskey/Dropbox/Research Library/Book/Gadamer, Hans-Georg - 2004 - Truth and method.pdf},
  isbn = {978-0-8264-7697-5},
  keywords = {Aesthetics,Hermeneutics,Humanities,Methodology},
  language = {en},
  lccn = {BD241 .G313 2004},
  series = {Continuum Impacts},
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@article{DouglasCollaborative2007,
  title = {Collaborative and Iterative Translation: An Alternative Approach to Back Translation},
  shorttitle = {Collaborative and {{Iterative Translation}}},
  author = {Douglas, Susan P and Craig, C. Samuel},
  year = {2007},
  month = mar,
  volume = {15},
  pages = {30--43},
  publisher = {{American Marketing Association}},
  issn = {1069031X},
  doi = {10.1509/jimk.15.1.030},
  abstract = {Back translation is the technique most commonly used to check the accuracy of translation in survey research. Although it results in a direct or literal translation, it does not address issues of conceptual equivalence. Furthermore, if it is not combined with pretesting, it does not address issues of comprehension and meaning to the respondent. This article discusses some of the problems of relying exclusively on back translation in isolation. It suggests the use of a collaborative, iterative approach for translating questionnaires for international marketing research.},
  journal = {Journal of International Marketing},
  keywords = {back translation,FOCUS groups,INDUSTRIAL research,international marketing research methodology,linguistic equivalence,MARKETING management,MARKETING research,questionnaire translation,RESPONSE rates,SURVEYS},
  number = {1}
}

Re: Pandoc Citation Error with Zotero BibTex Key for Short Note

['Denis Maier' via pandoc-discuss]

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Hi, I guess you're using the chicago-note-bibliography.csl style, right? 
(I couldn't find a chicago-short-note.csl on the repo. Anyway, the 
results you're getting may look odd to you, but this is exactly what is 
requested by CMoS in its current iteration. They now want the author's 
name only where they would have had "ibid." before.

It's quite easy to change this. This here 
(https://gist.github.com/denismaier/21168acf9e9287fc41f32c7351917111) 
should do what you want.

Best,
Denis

Am 13.11.2020 um 03:46 schrieb Matthew Lynskey:
> Thanks for the help. I will try to go and submit a bug report for this.
> Attached are 1) references from Zotero in Better BibTex, 2) the "Test" 
> md file, and 3) the Test.docx output.
>
> In terms of the style issue regarding the lack of a title. I don't 
> understand code or .csl format and would not be able to tell if it is 
> reading the style correctly. If it is, this seems like an odd format 
> as I have not seen a short-subsequent style that left out the title 
> and only had author's name. If this is the case, do you have any 
> insight into a .csl style that would do short style every time? (see 
> below for an example)
>
> [1]: Kearney, “Introduction,” xvi.
> [2]: Kearney, “Introduction,” 3.
> [3]:  Kearney, “Introduction,” 35.
>
> I appreciate your help and guidance here.
> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 8:51:36 PM UTC-5 John MacFarlane wrote:
>
>
>     It would help to have the bibtex bibliography entry you're using
>     for the Kearney item, and the exact markdown citation you're
>     using.
>
>
>
>     John MacFarlane <j...-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> writes:
>
>     > The second issue probably just reflects the style, which
>     > can use a shortened form when the work has just been cited.
>     > Do you have reason to believe pandoc is not following
>     > the rules in the csl file?
>     >
>     > The first issue may be something we can improve. Why
>     > don't you submit a bug report on our tracker, with
>     > full information sufficient for reproducing it, so we
>     > don't lose track? https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues
>     <https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues>
>     >
>     > Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes:
>     >
>     >> Alright. I am upgraded to version 2.11.1.1. Thanks for the help
>     here.
>     >>
>     >> When I process the BibTex Key through Pandoc I end up with
>     citations like
>     >> below. The same issues as described above seem to be occurring.
>     (Notice the *punctuation
>     >> issue* [which seems to happen with journal articles/book
>     sections that have
>     >> quotation marks but works fairly good with books which get
>     italicized] and
>     >> also that the *second reference* does not produce the title
>     only the
>     >> author).
>     >>
>     >> [1] Kearney, “Introduction.”, xvi.
>     >> [2] Kearney, 3.
>     >>
>     >> Any thoughts?
>     >> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 7:05:26 PM UTC-5
>     jmuc...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote:
>     >>
>     >>> "brew upgrade" should do it all by itself. Homebrew has
>     version 2.11.1.1
>     >>> as of my writing:
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>> On Thursday, 12 November 2020 at 18:01:10 UTC-5
>     ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org
>     >>> wrote:
>     >>>
>     >>>> Thanks for the advice here.
>     >>>>
>     >>>> I updated Pandoc via Terminal using *brew upgrade pandoc* but
>     it only
>     >>>> brought it to *pandoc 2.10.1*. Any advice on how to get it to
>     pandoc
>     >>>> 2.11.1.1?
>     >>>>
>     >>>> Again, I am a newbie here and would appreciate any guidance?
>     >>>>
>     >>>> Many thanks in advance!
>     >>>>
>     >>>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:55:00 PM UTC-5 John
>     MacFarlane wrote:
>     >>>>
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> Ah. Try getting the latest version of pandoc (2.11.1.1).
>     >>>>> Citation support was completely overhauled in 2.11
>     >>>>> (so the pandoc-citeproc filter is no longer necessary;
>     >>>>> instead, you use the --citeproc option). It should
>     >>>>> be much better in general, so see if you get the same
>     >>>>> results with the latest pandoc.
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes:
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> > Thanks for the question. I checked this in terminal and
>     this is what
>     >>>>> the
>     >>>>> > output is:
>     >>>>> >
>     >>>>> > pandoc 2.10.1
>     >>>>> >
>     >>>>> > Compiled with pandoc-types 1.21, texmath 0.12.0.2,
>     skylighting 0.8.5
>     >>>>> >
>     >>>>> > Copyright (C) 2006-2020 John MacFarlane
>     >>>>> >
>     >>>>> > On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:10:28 PM UTC-5 John
>     MacFarlane
>     >>>>> wrote:
>     >>>>> >
>     >>>>> >>
>     >>>>> >>
>     >>>>> >> It's very important to know here what pandoc --version says.
>     >>>>> >>
>     >>>>> >> Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes:
>     >>>>> >>
>     >>>>> >> > Hello. I am fairly new to Pandoc. I am seeking to use
>     the Chicago
>     >>>>> Short
>     >>>>> >> > Note .csl from Zotero. I believe I have downloaded the
>     most recent
>     >>>>> >> version.
>     >>>>> >> > I am also using the BibTex citation key in a footnote
>     of a Markdown
>     >>>>> that
>     >>>>> >> > outputs to .docx. My goal is to process these through
>     Pandoc.
>     >>>>> >> >
>     >>>>> >> > When I use the .csl short note style and the citation
>     key and
>     >>>>> process it
>     >>>>> >> > through Pandoc (i.e., DocDown). I have two
>     (interrelated?) issues
>     >>>>> that
>     >>>>> >> come
>     >>>>> >> > up. I am trying to resolve and would appreciate any
>     help and
>     >>>>> guidance.
>     >>>>> >> >
>     >>>>> >> > 1. *Punctuation*: My BibTex key for the following
>     resource is
>     >>>>> >> > @KearneyIntroduction2006. This is a book section and
>     when I write
>     >>>>> >> > @KearneyIntroduction2006, xvi the .csl file output
>     comes out like
>     >>>>> this:
>     >>>>> >> >
>     >>>>> >> > Kearney, “Introduction.”, xvi
>     >>>>> >> >
>     >>>>> >> > I have added the comma but the period does not go away.
>     >>>>> Interestingly,
>     >>>>> >> when
>     >>>>> >> > I use a BibTex citation key for a book (an item that
>     does not have
>     >>>>> >> > quotation marks in its output like a journal or book
>     section), it
>     >>>>> seems
>     >>>>> >> to
>     >>>>> >> > work fine. For example,
>     @Hubscher-DavidsonTranslation2017, 3-4
>     >>>>> comes out
>     >>>>> >> > like Hubscher-Davidson, Translation and Emotion, 3-4.
>     Notice that I
>     >>>>> >> added
>     >>>>> >> > the comma and this time it removed (what I think would
>     be) a
>     >>>>> naturally
>     >>>>> >> > generated period by Zotero.
>     >>>>> >> >
>     >>>>> >> > 2. *Subsequent References*: Additionally, when I have two
>     >>>>> references
>     >>>>> >> > following each other in sequence I get the following
>     result.
>     >>>>> >> >
>     >>>>> >> > Hubscher-Davidson, *Translation and Emotion*, 3-4.
>     >>>>> >> > Hubscher-Davidson, 7.
>     >>>>> >> >
>     >>>>> >> > I do not want to use ibid style.
>     >>>>> >> >
>     >>>>> >> > *Ideally, I would like the short note to reproduce the
>     author and
>     >>>>> short
>     >>>>> >> > title each time.* (i.e., I would like to produce
>     Hubscher-Davidson,
>     >>>>> >> *Translation
>     >>>>> >> > and Emotion* for all citations and then point this
>     short reference
>     >>>>> to my
>     >>>>> >> > bibliography.)
>     >>>>> >> >
>     >>>>> >> > Does anyone have any guidance on this issue(s)?
>     >>>>> >> >
>     >>>>> >> > Thank you for any guidance. This might be a basic
>     question asked in
>     >>>>> >> > ignorance. I appreciate your help in guiding a novice
>     along this
>     >>>>> way. :)
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Re: Pandoc Citation Error with Zotero BibTex Key for Short Note

[Matthew Lynskey]

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Thanks you very much! This .csl is exactly the style I was looking for. 
Many, many thanks for this!

This still does not resolve the punctuation issue, especially with Book 
Sections and Journal Articles (i.e., perhaps anything with quotations 
marks). I will try to submit a bug report for this particular concern.

Very thankful for all of your helps here.

On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 11:44:17 PM UTC-5 Denis Maier wrote:

> Hi, I guess you're using the chicago-note-bibliography.csl style, right? 
> (I couldn't find a chicago-short-note.csl on the repo. Anyway, the results 
> you're getting may look odd to you, but this is exactly what is requested 
> by CMoS in its current iteration. They now want the author's name only 
> where they would have had "ibid." before. 
>
> It's quite easy to change this. This here (
> https://gist.github.com/denismaier/21168acf9e9287fc41f32c7351917111) 
> should do what you want.
>
> Best,
> Denis 
>
> Am 13.11.2020 um 03:46 schrieb Matthew Lynskey:
>
> Thanks for the help. I will try to go and submit a bug report for this.
>
> Attached are 1) references from Zotero in Better BibTex, 2) the "Test" md 
> file, and 3) the Test.docx output. 
>
> In terms of the style issue regarding the lack of a title. I don't 
> understand code or .csl format and would not be able to tell if it is 
> reading the style correctly. If it is, this seems like an odd format as I 
> have not seen a short-subsequent style that left out the title and only had 
> author's name. If this is the case, do you have any insight into a .csl 
> style that would do short style every time? (see below for an example) 
>
> [1]: Kearney, “Introduction,” xvi. 
> [2]: Kearney, “Introduction,” 3. 
> [3]:  Kearney, “Introduction,” 35. 
>
> I appreciate your help and guidance here.
> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 8:51:36 PM UTC-5 John MacFarlane wrote:
>
>>
>> It would help to have the bibtex bibliography entry you're using 
>> for the Kearney item, and the exact markdown citation you're 
>> using. 
>>
>>
>>
>> John MacFarlane <j...-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>>
>> > The second issue probably just reflects the style, which 
>> > can use a shortened form when the work has just been cited. 
>> > Do you have reason to believe pandoc is not following 
>> > the rules in the csl file? 
>> > 
>> > The first issue may be something we can improve. Why 
>> > don't you submit a bug report on our tracker, with 
>> > full information sufficient for reproducing it, so we 
>> > don't lose track? https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues 
>> > 
>> > Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>> > 
>> >> Alright. I am upgraded to version 2.11.1.1. Thanks for the help here. 
>> >> 
>> >> When I process the BibTex Key through Pandoc I end up with citations 
>> like 
>> >> below. The same issues as described above seem to be occurring. 
>> (Notice the *punctuation 
>> >> issue* [which seems to happen with journal articles/book sections that 
>> have 
>> >> quotation marks but works fairly good with books which get italicized] 
>> and 
>> >> also that the *second reference* does not produce the title only the 
>> >> author). 
>> >> 
>> >> [1] Kearney, “Introduction.”, xvi. 
>> >> [2] Kearney, 3. 
>> >> 
>> >> Any thoughts? 
>> >> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 7:05:26 PM UTC-5 jmuc...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org 
>> wrote: 
>> >> 
>> >>> "brew upgrade" should do it all by itself. Homebrew has version 
>> 2.11.1.1 
>> >>> as of my writing: 
>> >>> 
>> >>> 
>> >>> 
>> >>> On Thursday, 12 November 2020 at 18:01:10 UTC-5 
>> ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org 
>> >>> wrote: 
>> >>> 
>> >>>> Thanks for the advice here. 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> I updated Pandoc via Terminal using *brew upgrade pandoc* but it 
>> only 
>> >>>> brought it to *pandoc 2.10.1*. Any advice on how to get it to pandoc 
>> >>>> 2.11.1.1? 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> Again, I am a newbie here and would appreciate any guidance? 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> Many thanks in advance! 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:55:00 PM UTC-5 John MacFarlane 
>> wrote: 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> Ah. Try getting the latest version of pandoc (2.11.1.1). 
>> >>>>> Citation support was completely overhauled in 2.11 
>> >>>>> (so the pandoc-citeproc filter is no longer necessary; 
>> >>>>> instead, you use the --citeproc option). It should 
>> >>>>> be much better in general, so see if you get the same 
>> >>>>> results with the latest pandoc. 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> > Thanks for the question. I checked this in terminal and this is 
>> what 
>> >>>>> the 
>> >>>>> > output is: 
>> >>>>> > 
>> >>>>> > pandoc 2.10.1 
>> >>>>> > 
>> >>>>> > Compiled with pandoc-types 1.21, texmath 0.12.0.2, skylighting 
>> 0.8.5 
>> >>>>> > 
>> >>>>> > Copyright (C) 2006-2020 John MacFarlane 
>> >>>>> > 
>> >>>>> > On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:10:28 PM UTC-5 John 
>> MacFarlane 
>> >>>>> wrote: 
>> >>>>> > 
>> >>>>> >> 
>> >>>>> >> 
>> >>>>> >> It's very important to know here what pandoc --version says. 
>> >>>>> >> 
>> >>>>> >> Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>> >>>>> >> 
>> >>>>> >> > Hello. I am fairly new to Pandoc. I am seeking to use the 
>> Chicago 
>> >>>>> Short 
>> >>>>> >> > Note .csl from Zotero. I believe I have downloaded the most 
>> recent 
>> >>>>> >> version. 
>> >>>>> >> > I am also using the BibTex citation key in a footnote of a 
>> Markdown 
>> >>>>> that 
>> >>>>> >> > outputs to .docx. My goal is to process these through Pandoc. 
>> >>>>> >> > 
>> >>>>> >> > When I use the .csl short note style and the citation key and 
>> >>>>> process it 
>> >>>>> >> > through Pandoc (i.e., DocDown). I have two (interrelated?) 
>> issues 
>> >>>>> that 
>> >>>>> >> come 
>> >>>>> >> > up. I am trying to resolve and would appreciate any help and 
>> >>>>> guidance. 
>> >>>>> >> > 
>> >>>>> >> > 1. *Punctuation*: My BibTex key for the following resource is 
>> >>>>> >> > @KearneyIntroduction2006. This is a book section and when I 
>> write 
>> >>>>> >> > @KearneyIntroduction2006, xvi the .csl file output comes out 
>> like 
>> >>>>> this: 
>> >>>>> >> > 
>> >>>>> >> > Kearney, “Introduction.”, xvi 
>> >>>>> >> > 
>> >>>>> >> > I have added the comma but the period does not go away. 
>> >>>>> Interestingly, 
>> >>>>> >> when 
>> >>>>> >> > I use a BibTex citation key for a book (an item that does not 
>> have 
>> >>>>> >> > quotation marks in its output like a journal or book section), 
>> it 
>> >>>>> seems 
>> >>>>> >> to 
>> >>>>> >> > work fine. For example, @Hubscher-DavidsonTranslation2017, 3-4 
>> >>>>> comes out 
>> >>>>> >> > like Hubscher-Davidson, Translation and Emotion, 3-4. Notice 
>> that I 
>> >>>>> >> added 
>> >>>>> >> > the comma and this time it removed (what I think would be) a 
>> >>>>> naturally 
>> >>>>> >> > generated period by Zotero. 
>> >>>>> >> > 
>> >>>>> >> > 2. *Subsequent References*: Additionally, when I have two 
>> >>>>> references 
>> >>>>> >> > following each other in sequence I get the following result. 
>> >>>>> >> > 
>> >>>>> >> > Hubscher-Davidson, *Translation and Emotion*, 3-4. 
>> >>>>> >> > Hubscher-Davidson, 7. 
>> >>>>> >> > 
>> >>>>> >> > I do not want to use ibid style. 
>> >>>>> >> > 
>> >>>>> >> > *Ideally, I would like the short note to reproduce the author 
>> and 
>> >>>>> short 
>> >>>>> >> > title each time.* (i.e., I would like to produce 
>> Hubscher-Davidson, 
>> >>>>> >> *Translation 
>> >>>>> >> > and Emotion* for all citations and then point this short 
>> reference 
>> >>>>> to my 
>> >>>>> >> > bibliography.) 
>> >>>>> >> > 
>> >>>>> >> > Does anyone have any guidance on this issue(s)? 
>> >>>>> >> > 
>> >>>>> >> > Thank you for any guidance. This might be a basic question 
>> asked in 
>> >>>>> >> > ignorance. I appreciate your help in guiding a novice along 
>> this 
>> >>>>> way. :) 
>> >>>>> >> > 
>> >>>>> >> > -- 
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>> >>>>> >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from 
>> it, 
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>> >>>>> >> > To view this discussion on the web visit 
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Re: Pandoc Citation Error with Zotero BibTex Key for Short Note

[Matthew Lynskey]

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Thank you so very much! This .csl is exactly the style I was looking for. 
Many, many thanks for this!

This still does not resolve the punctuation issue, especially with Book 
Sections and Journal Articles (i.e., perhaps anything with quotations 
marks). I will try to submit a bug report for this particular concern.

Very thankful for all of your help here!

On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 11:44:17 PM UTC-5 Denis Maier wrote:

> Hi, I guess you're using the chicago-note-bibliography.csl style, right? 
> (I couldn't find a chicago-short-note.csl on the repo. Anyway, the results 
> you're getting may look odd to you, but this is exactly what is requested 
> by CMoS in its current iteration. They now want the author's name only 
> where they would have had "ibid." before. 
>
> It's quite easy to change this. This here (
> https://gist.github.com/denismaier/21168acf9e9287fc41f32c7351917111) 
> should do what you want.
>
> Best,
> Denis 
>
> Am 13.11.2020 um 03:46 schrieb Matthew Lynskey:
>
> Thanks for the help. I will try to go and submit a bug report for this.
>
> Attached are 1) references from Zotero in Better BibTex, 2) the "Test" md 
> file, and 3) the Test.docx output. 
>
> In terms of the style issue regarding the lack of a title. I don't 
> understand code or .csl format and would not be able to tell if it is 
> reading the style correctly. If it is, this seems like an odd format as I 
> have not seen a short-subsequent style that left out the title and only had 
> author's name. If this is the case, do you have any insight into a .csl 
> style that would do short style every time? (see below for an example) 
>
> [1]: Kearney, “Introduction,” xvi. 
> [2]: Kearney, “Introduction,” 3. 
> [3]:  Kearney, “Introduction,” 35. 
>
> I appreciate your help and guidance here.
> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 8:51:36 PM UTC-5 John MacFarlane wrote:
>
>>
>> It would help to have the bibtex bibliography entry you're using 
>> for the Kearney item, and the exact markdown citation you're 
>> using. 
>>
>>
>>
>> John MacFarlane <j...-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>>
>> > The second issue probably just reflects the style, which 
>> > can use a shortened form when the work has just been cited. 
>> > Do you have reason to believe pandoc is not following 
>> > the rules in the csl file? 
>> > 
>> > The first issue may be something we can improve. Why 
>> > don't you submit a bug report on our tracker, with 
>> > full information sufficient for reproducing it, so we 
>> > don't lose track? https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues 
>> > 
>> > Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>> > 
>> >> Alright. I am upgraded to version 2.11.1.1. Thanks for the help here. 
>> >> 
>> >> When I process the BibTex Key through Pandoc I end up with citations 
>> like 
>> >> below. The same issues as described above seem to be occurring. 
>> (Notice the *punctuation 
>> >> issue* [which seems to happen with journal articles/book sections that 
>> have 
>> >> quotation marks but works fairly good with books which get italicized] 
>> and 
>> >> also that the *second reference* does not produce the title only the 
>> >> author). 
>> >> 
>> >> [1] Kearney, “Introduction.”, xvi. 
>> >> [2] Kearney, 3. 
>> >> 
>> >> Any thoughts? 
>> >> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 7:05:26 PM UTC-5 jmuc...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org 
>> wrote: 
>> >> 
>> >>> "brew upgrade" should do it all by itself. Homebrew has version 
>> 2.11.1.1 
>> >>> as of my writing: 
>> >>> 
>> >>> 
>> >>> 
>> >>> On Thursday, 12 November 2020 at 18:01:10 UTC-5 
>> ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org 
>> >>> wrote: 
>> >>> 
>> >>>> Thanks for the advice here. 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> I updated Pandoc via Terminal using *brew upgrade pandoc* but it 
>> only 
>> >>>> brought it to *pandoc 2.10.1*. Any advice on how to get it to pandoc 
>> >>>> 2.11.1.1? 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> Again, I am a newbie here and would appreciate any guidance? 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> Many thanks in advance! 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:55:00 PM UTC-5 John MacFarlane 
>> wrote: 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> Ah. Try getting the latest version of pandoc (2.11.1.1). 
>> >>>>> Citation support was completely overhauled in 2.11 
>> >>>>> (so the pandoc-citeproc filter is no longer necessary; 
>> >>>>> instead, you use the --citeproc option). It should 
>> >>>>> be much better in general, so see if you get the same 
>> >>>>> results with the latest pandoc. 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> > Thanks for the question. I checked this in terminal and this is 
>> what 
>> >>>>> the 
>> >>>>> > output is: 
>> >>>>> > 
>> >>>>> > pandoc 2.10.1 
>> >>>>> > 
>> >>>>> > Compiled with pandoc-types 1.21, texmath 0.12.0.2, skylighting 
>> 0.8.5 
>> >>>>> > 
>> >>>>> > Copyright (C) 2006-2020 John MacFarlane 
>> >>>>> > 
>> >>>>> > On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:10:28 PM UTC-5 John 
>> MacFarlane 
>> >>>>> wrote: 
>> >>>>> > 
>> >>>>> >> 
>> >>>>> >> 
>> >>>>> >> It's very important to know here what pandoc --version says. 
>> >>>>> >> 
>> >>>>> >> Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>> >>>>> >> 
>> >>>>> >> > Hello. I am fairly new to Pandoc. I am seeking to use the 
>> Chicago 
>> >>>>> Short 
>> >>>>> >> > Note .csl from Zotero. I believe I have downloaded the most 
>> recent 
>> >>>>> >> version. 
>> >>>>> >> > I am also using the BibTex citation key in a footnote of a 
>> Markdown 
>> >>>>> that 
>> >>>>> >> > outputs to .docx. My goal is to process these through Pandoc. 
>> >>>>> >> > 
>> >>>>> >> > When I use the .csl short note style and the citation key and 
>> >>>>> process it 
>> >>>>> >> > through Pandoc (i.e., DocDown). I have two (interrelated?) 
>> issues 
>> >>>>> that 
>> >>>>> >> come 
>> >>>>> >> > up. I am trying to resolve and would appreciate any help and 
>> >>>>> guidance. 
>> >>>>> >> > 
>> >>>>> >> > 1. *Punctuation*: My BibTex key for the following resource is 
>> >>>>> >> > @KearneyIntroduction2006. This is a book section and when I 
>> write 
>> >>>>> >> > @KearneyIntroduction2006, xvi the .csl file output comes out 
>> like 
>> >>>>> this: 
>> >>>>> >> > 
>> >>>>> >> > Kearney, “Introduction.”, xvi 
>> >>>>> >> > 
>> >>>>> >> > I have added the comma but the period does not go away. 
>> >>>>> Interestingly, 
>> >>>>> >> when 
>> >>>>> >> > I use a BibTex citation key for a book (an item that does not 
>> have 
>> >>>>> >> > quotation marks in its output like a journal or book section), 
>> it 
>> >>>>> seems 
>> >>>>> >> to 
>> >>>>> >> > work fine. For example, @Hubscher-DavidsonTranslation2017, 3-4 
>> >>>>> comes out 
>> >>>>> >> > like Hubscher-Davidson, Translation and Emotion, 3-4. Notice 
>> that I 
>> >>>>> >> added 
>> >>>>> >> > the comma and this time it removed (what I think would be) a 
>> >>>>> naturally 
>> >>>>> >> > generated period by Zotero. 
>> >>>>> >> > 
>> >>>>> >> > 2. *Subsequent References*: Additionally, when I have two 
>> >>>>> references 
>> >>>>> >> > following each other in sequence I get the following result. 
>> >>>>> >> > 
>> >>>>> >> > Hubscher-Davidson, *Translation and Emotion*, 3-4. 
>> >>>>> >> > Hubscher-Davidson, 7. 
>> >>>>> >> > 
>> >>>>> >> > I do not want to use ibid style. 
>> >>>>> >> > 
>> >>>>> >> > *Ideally, I would like the short note to reproduce the author 
>> and 
>> >>>>> short 
>> >>>>> >> > title each time.* (i.e., I would like to produce 
>> Hubscher-Davidson, 
>> >>>>> >> *Translation 
>> >>>>> >> > and Emotion* for all citations and then point this short 
>> reference 
>> >>>>> to my 
>> >>>>> >> > bibliography.) 
>> >>>>> >> > 
>> >>>>> >> > Does anyone have any guidance on this issue(s)? 
>> >>>>> >> > 
>> >>>>> >> > Thank you for any guidance. This might be a basic question 
>> asked in 
>> >>>>> >> > ignorance. I appreciate your help in guiding a novice along 
>> this 
>> >>>>> way. :) 
>> >>>>> >> > 
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Re: Pandoc Citation Error with Zotero BibTex Key for Short Note

[fiddlosopher]

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The correct way to do the citation would be

[^4]: @KearneyIntroduction2006 [p. xvi].

This ensures that citeproc can tell you've got a locator, and that it's a 
page -- if you do this, all the punctuation will be correct (and don't 
worry, the 'p.' won't show in the final result, since the style says not to 
use it).
On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 3:27:58 AM UTC-8 ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org 
wrote:

> Thank you so very much! This .csl is exactly the style I was looking for. 
> Many, many thanks for this!
>
> This still does not resolve the punctuation issue, especially with Book 
> Sections and Journal Articles (i.e., perhaps anything with quotations 
> marks). I will try to submit a bug report for this particular concern.
>
> Very thankful for all of your help here!
>
> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 11:44:17 PM UTC-5 Denis Maier wrote:
>
>> Hi, I guess you're using the chicago-note-bibliography.csl style, right? 
>> (I couldn't find a chicago-short-note.csl on the repo. Anyway, the results 
>> you're getting may look odd to you, but this is exactly what is requested 
>> by CMoS in its current iteration. They now want the author's name only 
>> where they would have had "ibid." before. 
>>
>> It's quite easy to change this. This here (
>> https://gist.github.com/denismaier/21168acf9e9287fc41f32c7351917111) 
>> should do what you want.
>>
>> Best,
>> Denis 
>>
>> Am 13.11.2020 um 03:46 schrieb Matthew Lynskey:
>>
>> Thanks for the help. I will try to go and submit a bug report for this.
>>
>> Attached are 1) references from Zotero in Better BibTex, 2) the "Test" md 
>> file, and 3) the Test.docx output. 
>>
>> In terms of the style issue regarding the lack of a title. I don't 
>> understand code or .csl format and would not be able to tell if it is 
>> reading the style correctly. If it is, this seems like an odd format as I 
>> have not seen a short-subsequent style that left out the title and only had 
>> author's name. If this is the case, do you have any insight into a .csl 
>> style that would do short style every time? (see below for an example) 
>>
>> [1]: Kearney, “Introduction,” xvi. 
>> [2]: Kearney, “Introduction,” 3. 
>> [3]:  Kearney, “Introduction,” 35. 
>>
>> I appreciate your help and guidance here.
>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 8:51:36 PM UTC-5 John MacFarlane wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> It would help to have the bibtex bibliography entry you're using 
>>> for the Kearney item, and the exact markdown citation you're 
>>> using. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John MacFarlane <j...-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>>>
>>> > The second issue probably just reflects the style, which 
>>> > can use a shortened form when the work has just been cited. 
>>> > Do you have reason to believe pandoc is not following 
>>> > the rules in the csl file? 
>>> > 
>>> > The first issue may be something we can improve. Why 
>>> > don't you submit a bug report on our tracker, with 
>>> > full information sufficient for reproducing it, so we 
>>> > don't lose track? https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues 
>>> > 
>>> > Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>>> > 
>>> >> Alright. I am upgraded to version 2.11.1.1. Thanks for the help here. 
>>> >> 
>>> >> When I process the BibTex Key through Pandoc I end up with citations 
>>> like 
>>> >> below. The same issues as described above seem to be occurring. 
>>> (Notice the *punctuation 
>>> >> issue* [which seems to happen with journal articles/book sections 
>>> that have 
>>> >> quotation marks but works fairly good with books which get 
>>> italicized] and 
>>> >> also that the *second reference* does not produce the title only the 
>>> >> author). 
>>> >> 
>>> >> [1] Kearney, “Introduction.”, xvi. 
>>> >> [2] Kearney, 3. 
>>> >> 
>>> >> Any thoughts? 
>>> >> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 7:05:26 PM UTC-5 jmuc...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org 
>>> wrote: 
>>> >> 
>>> >>> "brew upgrade" should do it all by itself. Homebrew has version 
>>> 2.11.1.1 
>>> >>> as of my writing: 
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> On Thursday, 12 November 2020 at 18:01:10 UTC-5 
>>> ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org 
>>> >>> wrote: 
>>> >>> 
>>> >>>> Thanks for the advice here. 
>>> >>>> 
>>> >>>> I updated Pandoc via Terminal using *brew upgrade pandoc* but it 
>>> only 
>>> >>>> brought it to *pandoc 2.10.1*. Any advice on how to get it to 
>>> pandoc 
>>> >>>> 2.11.1.1? 
>>> >>>> 
>>> >>>> Again, I am a newbie here and would appreciate any guidance? 
>>> >>>> 
>>> >>>> Many thanks in advance! 
>>> >>>> 
>>> >>>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:55:00 PM UTC-5 John MacFarlane 
>>> wrote: 
>>> >>>> 
>>> >>>>> 
>>> >>>>> Ah. Try getting the latest version of pandoc (2.11.1.1). 
>>> >>>>> Citation support was completely overhauled in 2.11 
>>> >>>>> (so the pandoc-citeproc filter is no longer necessary; 
>>> >>>>> instead, you use the --citeproc option). It should 
>>> >>>>> be much better in general, so see if you get the same 
>>> >>>>> results with the latest pandoc. 
>>> >>>>> 
>>> >>>>> Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>>> >>>>> 
>>> >>>>> > Thanks for the question. I checked this in terminal and this is 
>>> what 
>>> >>>>> the 
>>> >>>>> > output is: 
>>> >>>>> > 
>>> >>>>> > pandoc 2.10.1 
>>> >>>>> > 
>>> >>>>> > Compiled with pandoc-types 1.21, texmath 0.12.0.2, skylighting 
>>> 0.8.5 
>>> >>>>> > 
>>> >>>>> > Copyright (C) 2006-2020 John MacFarlane 
>>> >>>>> > 
>>> >>>>> > On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:10:28 PM UTC-5 John 
>>> MacFarlane 
>>> >>>>> wrote: 
>>> >>>>> > 
>>> >>>>> >> 
>>> >>>>> >> 
>>> >>>>> >> It's very important to know here what pandoc --version says. 
>>> >>>>> >> 
>>> >>>>> >> Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>>> >>>>> >> 
>>> >>>>> >> > Hello. I am fairly new to Pandoc. I am seeking to use the 
>>> Chicago 
>>> >>>>> Short 
>>> >>>>> >> > Note .csl from Zotero. I believe I have downloaded the most 
>>> recent 
>>> >>>>> >> version. 
>>> >>>>> >> > I am also using the BibTex citation key in a footnote of a 
>>> Markdown 
>>> >>>>> that 
>>> >>>>> >> > outputs to .docx. My goal is to process these through Pandoc. 
>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>> >>>>> >> > When I use the .csl short note style and the citation key and 
>>> >>>>> process it 
>>> >>>>> >> > through Pandoc (i.e., DocDown). I have two (interrelated?) 
>>> issues 
>>> >>>>> that 
>>> >>>>> >> come 
>>> >>>>> >> > up. I am trying to resolve and would appreciate any help and 
>>> >>>>> guidance. 
>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>> >>>>> >> > 1. *Punctuation*: My BibTex key for the following resource is 
>>> >>>>> >> > @KearneyIntroduction2006. This is a book section and when I 
>>> write 
>>> >>>>> >> > @KearneyIntroduction2006, xvi the .csl file output comes out 
>>> like 
>>> >>>>> this: 
>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>> >>>>> >> > Kearney, “Introduction.”, xvi 
>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>> >>>>> >> > I have added the comma but the period does not go away. 
>>> >>>>> Interestingly, 
>>> >>>>> >> when 
>>> >>>>> >> > I use a BibTex citation key for a book (an item that does not 
>>> have 
>>> >>>>> >> > quotation marks in its output like a journal or book 
>>> section), it 
>>> >>>>> seems 
>>> >>>>> >> to 
>>> >>>>> >> > work fine. For example, @Hubscher-DavidsonTranslation2017, 
>>> 3-4 
>>> >>>>> comes out 
>>> >>>>> >> > like Hubscher-Davidson, Translation and Emotion, 3-4. Notice 
>>> that I 
>>> >>>>> >> added 
>>> >>>>> >> > the comma and this time it removed (what I think would be) a 
>>> >>>>> naturally 
>>> >>>>> >> > generated period by Zotero. 
>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>> >>>>> >> > 2. *Subsequent References*: Additionally, when I have two 
>>> >>>>> references 
>>> >>>>> >> > following each other in sequence I get the following result. 
>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>> >>>>> >> > Hubscher-Davidson, *Translation and Emotion*, 3-4. 
>>> >>>>> >> > Hubscher-Davidson, 7. 
>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>> >>>>> >> > I do not want to use ibid style. 
>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>> >>>>> >> > *Ideally, I would like the short note to reproduce the author 
>>> and 
>>> >>>>> short 
>>> >>>>> >> > title each time.* (i.e., I would like to produce 
>>> Hubscher-Davidson, 
>>> >>>>> >> *Translation 
>>> >>>>> >> > and Emotion* for all citations and then point this short 
>>> reference 
>>> >>>>> to my 
>>> >>>>> >> > bibliography.) 
>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>> >>>>> >> > Does anyone have any guidance on this issue(s)? 
>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>> >>>>> >> > Thank you for any guidance. This might be a basic question 
>>> asked in 
>>> >>>>> >> > ignorance. I appreciate your help in guiding a novice along 
>>> this 
>>> >>>>> way. :) 
>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>> >>>>> >> > -- 
>>> >>>>> >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the 
>>> Google 
>>> >>>>> >> Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. 
>>> >>>>> >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from 
>>> it, 
>>> >>>>> send 
>>> >>>>> >> an email to pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org 
>>> >>>>> >> > To view this discussion on the web visit 
>>> >>>>> >> 
>>> >>>>> 
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Re: Pandoc Citation Error with Zotero BibTex Key for Short Note

[Matthew Lynskey]

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Yes. This seems to work great. I gave it a shot on my end and it renders it 
correctly. Many, many thanks for your help here!

On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 1:28:16 PM UTC-5 fiddlosopher wrote:

> The correct way to do the citation would be
>
> [^4]: @KearneyIntroduction2006 [p. xvi].
>
> This ensures that citeproc can tell you've got a locator, and that it's a 
> page -- if you do this, all the punctuation will be correct (and don't 
> worry, the 'p.' won't show in the final result, since the style says not to 
> use it).
> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 3:27:58 AM UTC-8 ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOMXa4x6EXUF0@public.gmane.orgg 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you so very much! This .csl is exactly the style I was looking for. 
>> Many, many thanks for this!
>>
>> This still does not resolve the punctuation issue, especially with Book 
>> Sections and Journal Articles (i.e., perhaps anything with quotations 
>> marks). I will try to submit a bug report for this particular concern.
>>
>> Very thankful for all of your help here!
>>
>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 11:44:17 PM UTC-5 Denis Maier wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, I guess you're using the chicago-note-bibliography.csl style, right? 
>>> (I couldn't find a chicago-short-note.csl on the repo. Anyway, the results 
>>> you're getting may look odd to you, but this is exactly what is requested 
>>> by CMoS in its current iteration. They now want the author's name only 
>>> where they would have had "ibid." before. 
>>>
>>> It's quite easy to change this. This here (
>>> https://gist.github.com/denismaier/21168acf9e9287fc41f32c7351917111) 
>>> should do what you want.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Denis 
>>>
>>> Am 13.11.2020 um 03:46 schrieb Matthew Lynskey:
>>>
>>> Thanks for the help. I will try to go and submit a bug report for this.
>>>
>>> Attached are 1) references from Zotero in Better BibTex, 2) the "Test" 
>>> md file, and 3) the Test.docx output. 
>>>
>>> In terms of the style issue regarding the lack of a title. I don't 
>>> understand code or .csl format and would not be able to tell if it is 
>>> reading the style correctly. If it is, this seems like an odd format as I 
>>> have not seen a short-subsequent style that left out the title and only had 
>>> author's name. If this is the case, do you have any insight into a .csl 
>>> style that would do short style every time? (see below for an example) 
>>>
>>> [1]: Kearney, “Introduction,” xvi. 
>>> [2]: Kearney, “Introduction,” 3. 
>>> [3]:  Kearney, “Introduction,” 35. 
>>>
>>> I appreciate your help and guidance here.
>>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 8:51:36 PM UTC-5 John MacFarlane wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> It would help to have the bibtex bibliography entry you're using 
>>>> for the Kearney item, and the exact markdown citation you're 
>>>> using. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John MacFarlane <j...-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>>>>
>>>> > The second issue probably just reflects the style, which 
>>>> > can use a shortened form when the work has just been cited. 
>>>> > Do you have reason to believe pandoc is not following 
>>>> > the rules in the csl file? 
>>>> > 
>>>> > The first issue may be something we can improve. Why 
>>>> > don't you submit a bug report on our tracker, with 
>>>> > full information sufficient for reproducing it, so we 
>>>> > don't lose track? https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues 
>>>> > 
>>>> > Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>>>> > 
>>>> >> Alright. I am upgraded to version 2.11.1.1. Thanks for the help 
>>>> here. 
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> When I process the BibTex Key through Pandoc I end up with citations 
>>>> like 
>>>> >> below. The same issues as described above seem to be occurring. 
>>>> (Notice the *punctuation 
>>>> >> issue* [which seems to happen with journal articles/book sections 
>>>> that have 
>>>> >> quotation marks but works fairly good with books which get 
>>>> italicized] and 
>>>> >> also that the *second reference* does not produce the title only the 
>>>> >> author). 
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> [1] Kearney, “Introduction.”, xvi. 
>>>> >> [2] Kearney, 3. 
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> Any thoughts? 
>>>> >> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 7:05:26 PM UTC-5 jmuc...-Re5JQEeQqe8@public.gmane.orgm 
>>>> wrote: 
>>>> >> 
>>>> >>> "brew upgrade" should do it all by itself. Homebrew has version 
>>>> 2.11.1.1 
>>>> >>> as of my writing: 
>>>> >>> 
>>>> >>> 
>>>> >>> 
>>>> >>> On Thursday, 12 November 2020 at 18:01:10 UTC-5 
>>>> ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org 
>>>> >>> wrote: 
>>>> >>> 
>>>> >>>> Thanks for the advice here. 
>>>> >>>> 
>>>> >>>> I updated Pandoc via Terminal using *brew upgrade pandoc* but it 
>>>> only 
>>>> >>>> brought it to *pandoc 2.10.1*. Any advice on how to get it to 
>>>> pandoc 
>>>> >>>> 2.11.1.1? 
>>>> >>>> 
>>>> >>>> Again, I am a newbie here and would appreciate any guidance? 
>>>> >>>> 
>>>> >>>> Many thanks in advance! 
>>>> >>>> 
>>>> >>>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:55:00 PM UTC-5 John MacFarlane 
>>>> wrote: 
>>>> >>>> 
>>>> >>>>> 
>>>> >>>>> Ah. Try getting the latest version of pandoc (2.11.1.1). 
>>>> >>>>> Citation support was completely overhauled in 2.11 
>>>> >>>>> (so the pandoc-citeproc filter is no longer necessary; 
>>>> >>>>> instead, you use the --citeproc option). It should 
>>>> >>>>> be much better in general, so see if you get the same 
>>>> >>>>> results with the latest pandoc. 
>>>> >>>>> 
>>>> >>>>> Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>>>> >>>>> 
>>>> >>>>> > Thanks for the question. I checked this in terminal and this is 
>>>> what 
>>>> >>>>> the 
>>>> >>>>> > output is: 
>>>> >>>>> > 
>>>> >>>>> > pandoc 2.10.1 
>>>> >>>>> > 
>>>> >>>>> > Compiled with pandoc-types 1.21, texmath 0.12.0.2, skylighting 
>>>> 0.8.5 
>>>> >>>>> > 
>>>> >>>>> > Copyright (C) 2006-2020 John MacFarlane 
>>>> >>>>> > 
>>>> >>>>> > On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:10:28 PM UTC-5 John 
>>>> MacFarlane 
>>>> >>>>> wrote: 
>>>> >>>>> > 
>>>> >>>>> >> 
>>>> >>>>> >> 
>>>> >>>>> >> It's very important to know here what pandoc --version says. 
>>>> >>>>> >> 
>>>> >>>>> >> Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>>>> >>>>> >> 
>>>> >>>>> >> > Hello. I am fairly new to Pandoc. I am seeking to use the 
>>>> Chicago 
>>>> >>>>> Short 
>>>> >>>>> >> > Note .csl from Zotero. I believe I have downloaded the most 
>>>> recent 
>>>> >>>>> >> version. 
>>>> >>>>> >> > I am also using the BibTex citation key in a footnote of a 
>>>> Markdown 
>>>> >>>>> that 
>>>> >>>>> >> > outputs to .docx. My goal is to process these through 
>>>> Pandoc. 
>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>> >>>>> >> > When I use the .csl short note style and the citation key 
>>>> and 
>>>> >>>>> process it 
>>>> >>>>> >> > through Pandoc (i.e., DocDown). I have two (interrelated?) 
>>>> issues 
>>>> >>>>> that 
>>>> >>>>> >> come 
>>>> >>>>> >> > up. I am trying to resolve and would appreciate any help and 
>>>> >>>>> guidance. 
>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>> >>>>> >> > 1. *Punctuation*: My BibTex key for the following resource 
>>>> is 
>>>> >>>>> >> > @KearneyIntroduction2006. This is a book section and when I 
>>>> write 
>>>> >>>>> >> > @KearneyIntroduction2006, xvi the .csl file output comes out 
>>>> like 
>>>> >>>>> this: 
>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>> >>>>> >> > Kearney, “Introduction.”, xvi 
>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>> >>>>> >> > I have added the comma but the period does not go away. 
>>>> >>>>> Interestingly, 
>>>> >>>>> >> when 
>>>> >>>>> >> > I use a BibTex citation key for a book (an item that does 
>>>> not have 
>>>> >>>>> >> > quotation marks in its output like a journal or book 
>>>> section), it 
>>>> >>>>> seems 
>>>> >>>>> >> to 
>>>> >>>>> >> > work fine. For example, @Hubscher-DavidsonTranslation2017, 
>>>> 3-4 
>>>> >>>>> comes out 
>>>> >>>>> >> > like Hubscher-Davidson, Translation and Emotion, 3-4. Notice 
>>>> that I 
>>>> >>>>> >> added 
>>>> >>>>> >> > the comma and this time it removed (what I think would be) a 
>>>> >>>>> naturally 
>>>> >>>>> >> > generated period by Zotero. 
>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>> >>>>> >> > 2. *Subsequent References*: Additionally, when I have two 
>>>> >>>>> references 
>>>> >>>>> >> > following each other in sequence I get the following result. 
>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>> >>>>> >> > Hubscher-Davidson, *Translation and Emotion*, 3-4. 
>>>> >>>>> >> > Hubscher-Davidson, 7. 
>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>> >>>>> >> > I do not want to use ibid style. 
>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>> >>>>> >> > *Ideally, I would like the short note to reproduce the 
>>>> author and 
>>>> >>>>> short 
>>>> >>>>> >> > title each time.* (i.e., I would like to produce 
>>>> Hubscher-Davidson, 
>>>> >>>>> >> *Translation 
>>>> >>>>> >> > and Emotion* for all citations and then point this short 
>>>> reference 
>>>> >>>>> to my 
>>>> >>>>> >> > bibliography.) 
>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>> >>>>> >> > Does anyone have any guidance on this issue(s)? 
>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>> >>>>> >> > Thank you for any guidance. This might be a basic question 
>>>> asked in 
>>>> >>>>> >> > ignorance. I appreciate your help in guiding a novice along 
>>>> this 
>>>> >>>>> way. :) 
>>>> >>>>> >> > 
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Re: Pandoc Citation Error with Zotero BibTex Key for Short Note

[Pranesh Prakash]

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Dear Matthew,
I just wanted to note that, given you are using chicago-note-bibliography 
which uses footnotes, you can also achieve the same result by writing:

```
Test [@KearneyIntroduction2006, p. xvi]
```

instead of:

```
Test [^4]

[^4]:   @KearneyIntroduction2006 [p. xvi]
```

Pandoc with the help of the CSL will automatically convert that (inline) 
citation into a footnote.  That makes writing the citations easier.  
Another benefit of doing that is that if you ever need to change the 
citations into an inline-citation style, then you won't need to go and 
remove all the footnote references: you would only need to change the CSL 
file.

Regards,
Pranesh
On Saturday, 14 November, 2020 at 1:34:35 am UTC+5:30 
ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org wrote:

> Yes. This seems to work great. I gave it a shot on my end and it renders 
> it correctly. Many, many thanks for your help here!
>
> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 1:28:16 PM UTC-5 fiddlosopher wrote:
>
>> The correct way to do the citation would be
>>
>> [^4]: @KearneyIntroduction2006 [p. xvi].
>>
>> This ensures that citeproc can tell you've got a locator, and that it's a 
>> page -- if you do this, all the punctuation will be correct (and don't 
>> worry, the 'p.' won't show in the final result, since the style says not to 
>> use it).
>> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 3:27:58 AM UTC-8 
>> ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you so very much! This .csl is exactly the style I was looking 
>>> for. Many, many thanks for this!
>>>
>>> This still does not resolve the punctuation issue, especially with Book 
>>> Sections and Journal Articles (i.e., perhaps anything with quotations 
>>> marks). I will try to submit a bug report for this particular concern.
>>>
>>> Very thankful for all of your help here!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 11:44:17 PM UTC-5 Denis Maier wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi, I guess you're using the chicago-note-bibliography.csl style, 
>>>> right? (I couldn't find a chicago-short-note.csl on the repo. Anyway, the 
>>>> results you're getting may look odd to you, but this is exactly what is 
>>>> requested by CMoS in its current iteration. They now want the author's name 
>>>> only where they would have had "ibid." before. 
>>>>
>>>> It's quite easy to change this. This here (
>>>> https://gist.github.com/denismaier/21168acf9e9287fc41f32c7351917111) 
>>>> should do what you want.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Denis 
>>>>
>>>> Am 13.11.2020 um 03:46 schrieb Matthew Lynskey:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the help. I will try to go and submit a bug report for this.
>>>>
>>>> Attached are 1) references from Zotero in Better BibTex, 2) the "Test" 
>>>> md file, and 3) the Test.docx output. 
>>>>
>>>> In terms of the style issue regarding the lack of a title. I don't 
>>>> understand code or .csl format and would not be able to tell if it is 
>>>> reading the style correctly. If it is, this seems like an odd format as I 
>>>> have not seen a short-subsequent style that left out the title and only had 
>>>> author's name. If this is the case, do you have any insight into a .csl 
>>>> style that would do short style every time? (see below for an example) 
>>>>
>>>> [1]: Kearney, “Introduction,” xvi. 
>>>> [2]: Kearney, “Introduction,” 3. 
>>>> [3]:  Kearney, “Introduction,” 35. 
>>>>
>>>> I appreciate your help and guidance here.
>>>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 8:51:36 PM UTC-5 John MacFarlane 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It would help to have the bibtex bibliography entry you're using 
>>>>> for the Kearney item, and the exact markdown citation you're 
>>>>> using. 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> John MacFarlane <j...-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>>>>>
>>>>> > The second issue probably just reflects the style, which 
>>>>> > can use a shortened form when the work has just been cited. 
>>>>> > Do you have reason to believe pandoc is not following 
>>>>> > the rules in the csl file? 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > The first issue may be something we can improve. Why 
>>>>> > don't you submit a bug report on our tracker, with 
>>>>> > full information sufficient for reproducing it, so we 
>>>>> > don't lose track? https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> >> Alright. I am upgraded to version 2.11.1.1. Thanks for the help 
>>>>> here. 
>>>>> >> 
>>>>> >> When I process the BibTex Key through Pandoc I end up with 
>>>>> citations like 
>>>>> >> below. The same issues as described above seem to be occurring. 
>>>>> (Notice the *punctuation 
>>>>> >> issue* [which seems to happen with journal articles/book sections 
>>>>> that have 
>>>>> >> quotation marks but works fairly good with books which get 
>>>>> italicized] and 
>>>>> >> also that the *second reference* does not produce the title only 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> >> author). 
>>>>> >> 
>>>>> >> [1] Kearney, “Introduction.”, xvi. 
>>>>> >> [2] Kearney, 3. 
>>>>> >> 
>>>>> >> Any thoughts? 
>>>>> >> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 7:05:26 PM UTC-5 
>>>>> jmuc...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote: 
>>>>> >> 
>>>>> >>> "brew upgrade" should do it all by itself. Homebrew has version 
>>>>> 2.11.1.1 
>>>>> >>> as of my writing: 
>>>>> >>> 
>>>>> >>> 
>>>>> >>> 
>>>>> >>> On Thursday, 12 November 2020 at 18:01:10 UTC-5 
>>>>> ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org 
>>>>> >>> wrote: 
>>>>> >>> 
>>>>> >>>> Thanks for the advice here. 
>>>>> >>>> 
>>>>> >>>> I updated Pandoc via Terminal using *brew upgrade pandoc* but it 
>>>>> only 
>>>>> >>>> brought it to *pandoc 2.10.1*. Any advice on how to get it to 
>>>>> pandoc 
>>>>> >>>> 2.11.1.1? 
>>>>> >>>> 
>>>>> >>>> Again, I am a newbie here and would appreciate any guidance? 
>>>>> >>>> 
>>>>> >>>> Many thanks in advance! 
>>>>> >>>> 
>>>>> >>>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:55:00 PM UTC-5 John 
>>>>> MacFarlane wrote: 
>>>>> >>>> 
>>>>> >>>>> 
>>>>> >>>>> Ah. Try getting the latest version of pandoc (2.11.1.1). 
>>>>> >>>>> Citation support was completely overhauled in 2.11 
>>>>> >>>>> (so the pandoc-citeproc filter is no longer necessary; 
>>>>> >>>>> instead, you use the --citeproc option). It should 
>>>>> >>>>> be much better in general, so see if you get the same 
>>>>> >>>>> results with the latest pandoc. 
>>>>> >>>>> 
>>>>> >>>>> Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>>>>> >>>>> 
>>>>> >>>>> > Thanks for the question. I checked this in terminal and this 
>>>>> is what 
>>>>> >>>>> the 
>>>>> >>>>> > output is: 
>>>>> >>>>> > 
>>>>> >>>>> > pandoc 2.10.1 
>>>>> >>>>> > 
>>>>> >>>>> > Compiled with pandoc-types 1.21, texmath 0.12.0.2, skylighting 
>>>>> 0.8.5 
>>>>> >>>>> > 
>>>>> >>>>> > Copyright (C) 2006-2020 John MacFarlane 
>>>>> >>>>> > 
>>>>> >>>>> > On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:10:28 PM UTC-5 John 
>>>>> MacFarlane 
>>>>> >>>>> wrote: 
>>>>> >>>>> > 
>>>>> >>>>> >> 
>>>>> >>>>> >> 
>>>>> >>>>> >> It's very important to know here what pandoc --version says. 
>>>>> >>>>> >> 
>>>>> >>>>> >> Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>>>>> >>>>> >> 
>>>>> >>>>> >> > Hello. I am fairly new to Pandoc. I am seeking to use the 
>>>>> Chicago 
>>>>> >>>>> Short 
>>>>> >>>>> >> > Note .csl from Zotero. I believe I have downloaded the most 
>>>>> recent 
>>>>> >>>>> >> version. 
>>>>> >>>>> >> > I am also using the BibTex citation key in a footnote of a 
>>>>> Markdown 
>>>>> >>>>> that 
>>>>> >>>>> >> > outputs to .docx. My goal is to process these through 
>>>>> Pandoc. 
>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>>> >>>>> >> > When I use the .csl short note style and the citation key 
>>>>> and 
>>>>> >>>>> process it 
>>>>> >>>>> >> > through Pandoc (i.e., DocDown). I have two (interrelated?) 
>>>>> issues 
>>>>> >>>>> that 
>>>>> >>>>> >> come 
>>>>> >>>>> >> > up. I am trying to resolve and would appreciate any help 
>>>>> and 
>>>>> >>>>> guidance. 
>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>>> >>>>> >> > 1. *Punctuation*: My BibTex key for the following resource 
>>>>> is 
>>>>> >>>>> >> > @KearneyIntroduction2006. This is a book section and when I 
>>>>> write 
>>>>> >>>>> >> > @KearneyIntroduction2006, xvi the .csl file output comes 
>>>>> out like 
>>>>> >>>>> this: 
>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>>> >>>>> >> > Kearney, “Introduction.”, xvi 
>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>>> >>>>> >> > I have added the comma but the period does not go away. 
>>>>> >>>>> Interestingly, 
>>>>> >>>>> >> when 
>>>>> >>>>> >> > I use a BibTex citation key for a book (an item that does 
>>>>> not have 
>>>>> >>>>> >> > quotation marks in its output like a journal or book 
>>>>> section), it 
>>>>> >>>>> seems 
>>>>> >>>>> >> to 
>>>>> >>>>> >> > work fine. For example, @Hubscher-DavidsonTranslation2017, 
>>>>> 3-4 
>>>>> >>>>> comes out 
>>>>> >>>>> >> > like Hubscher-Davidson, Translation and Emotion, 3-4. 
>>>>> Notice that I 
>>>>> >>>>> >> added 
>>>>> >>>>> >> > the comma and this time it removed (what I think would be) 
>>>>> a 
>>>>> >>>>> naturally 
>>>>> >>>>> >> > generated period by Zotero. 
>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>>> >>>>> >> > 2. *Subsequent References*: Additionally, when I have two 
>>>>> >>>>> references 
>>>>> >>>>> >> > following each other in sequence I get the following 
>>>>> result. 
>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>>> >>>>> >> > Hubscher-Davidson, *Translation and Emotion*, 3-4. 
>>>>> >>>>> >> > Hubscher-Davidson, 7. 
>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>>> >>>>> >> > I do not want to use ibid style. 
>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>>> >>>>> >> > *Ideally, I would like the short note to reproduce the 
>>>>> author and 
>>>>> >>>>> short 
>>>>> >>>>> >> > title each time.* (i.e., I would like to produce 
>>>>> Hubscher-Davidson, 
>>>>> >>>>> >> *Translation 
>>>>> >>>>> >> > and Emotion* for all citations and then point this short 
>>>>> reference 
>>>>> >>>>> to my 
>>>>> >>>>> >> > bibliography.) 
>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>>> >>>>> >> > Does anyone have any guidance on this issue(s)? 
>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>>> >>>>> >> > Thank you for any guidance. This might be a basic question 
>>>>> asked in 
>>>>> >>>>> >> > ignorance. I appreciate your help in guiding a novice along 
>>>>> this 
>>>>> >>>>> way. :) 
>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
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Re: Pandoc Citation Error with Zotero BibTex Key for Short Note

[Matthew Lynskey]

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Pranesh,

Thank you kindly for this additional clarification on citation formatting 
for Pandoc. It is helpful to know this for in-line citations.

Many thanks.

Kind Regards,
Matt

On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 4:48:37 PM UTC-5 the.so...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote:

> Dear Matthew,
> I just wanted to note that, given you are using chicago-note-bibliography 
> which uses footnotes, you can also achieve the same result by writing:
>
> ```
> Test [@KearneyIntroduction2006, p. xvi]
> ```
>
> instead of:
>
> ```
> Test [^4]
>
> [^4]:   @KearneyIntroduction2006 [p. xvi]
> ```
>
> Pandoc with the help of the CSL will automatically convert that (inline) 
> citation into a footnote.  That makes writing the citations easier.  
> Another benefit of doing that is that if you ever need to change the 
> citations into an inline-citation style, then you won't need to go and 
> remove all the footnote references: you would only need to change the CSL 
> file.
>
> Regards,
> Pranesh
> On Saturday, 14 November, 2020 at 1:34:35 am UTC+5:30 
> ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org wrote:
>
>> Yes. This seems to work great. I gave it a shot on my end and it renders 
>> it correctly. Many, many thanks for your help here!
>>
>> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 1:28:16 PM UTC-5 fiddlosopher wrote:
>>
>>> The correct way to do the citation would be
>>>
>>> [^4]: @KearneyIntroduction2006 [p. xvi].
>>>
>>> This ensures that citeproc can tell you've got a locator, and that it's 
>>> a page -- if you do this, all the punctuation will be correct (and don't 
>>> worry, the 'p.' won't show in the final result, since the style says not to 
>>> use it).
>>> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 3:27:58 AM UTC-8 
>>> ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you so very much! This .csl is exactly the style I was looking 
>>>> for. Many, many thanks for this!
>>>>
>>>> This still does not resolve the punctuation issue, especially with Book 
>>>> Sections and Journal Articles (i.e., perhaps anything with quotations 
>>>> marks). I will try to submit a bug report for this particular concern.
>>>>
>>>> Very thankful for all of your help here!
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 11:44:17 PM UTC-5 Denis Maier wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi, I guess you're using the chicago-note-bibliography.csl style, 
>>>>> right? (I couldn't find a chicago-short-note.csl on the repo. Anyway, the 
>>>>> results you're getting may look odd to you, but this is exactly what is 
>>>>> requested by CMoS in its current iteration. They now want the author's name 
>>>>> only where they would have had "ibid." before. 
>>>>>
>>>>> It's quite easy to change this. This here (
>>>>> https://gist.github.com/denismaier/21168acf9e9287fc41f32c7351917111) 
>>>>> should do what you want.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Denis 
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 13.11.2020 um 03:46 schrieb Matthew Lynskey:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the help. I will try to go and submit a bug report for this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Attached are 1) references from Zotero in Better BibTex, 2) the "Test" 
>>>>> md file, and 3) the Test.docx output. 
>>>>>
>>>>> In terms of the style issue regarding the lack of a title. I don't 
>>>>> understand code or .csl format and would not be able to tell if it is 
>>>>> reading the style correctly. If it is, this seems like an odd format as I 
>>>>> have not seen a short-subsequent style that left out the title and only had 
>>>>> author's name. If this is the case, do you have any insight into a .csl 
>>>>> style that would do short style every time? (see below for an example) 
>>>>>
>>>>> [1]: Kearney, “Introduction,” xvi. 
>>>>> [2]: Kearney, “Introduction,” 3. 
>>>>> [3]:  Kearney, “Introduction,” 35. 
>>>>>
>>>>> I appreciate your help and guidance here.
>>>>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 8:51:36 PM UTC-5 John MacFarlane 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would help to have the bibtex bibliography entry you're using 
>>>>>> for the Kearney item, and the exact markdown citation you're 
>>>>>> using. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John MacFarlane <j...-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > The second issue probably just reflects the style, which 
>>>>>> > can use a shortened form when the work has just been cited. 
>>>>>> > Do you have reason to believe pandoc is not following 
>>>>>> > the rules in the csl file? 
>>>>>> > 
>>>>>> > The first issue may be something we can improve. Why 
>>>>>> > don't you submit a bug report on our tracker, with 
>>>>>> > full information sufficient for reproducing it, so we 
>>>>>> > don't lose track? https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues 
>>>>>> > 
>>>>>> > Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>>>>>> > 
>>>>>> >> Alright. I am upgraded to version 2.11.1.1. Thanks for the help 
>>>>>> here. 
>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>> >> When I process the BibTex Key through Pandoc I end up with 
>>>>>> citations like 
>>>>>> >> below. The same issues as described above seem to be occurring. 
>>>>>> (Notice the *punctuation 
>>>>>> >> issue* [which seems to happen with journal articles/book sections 
>>>>>> that have 
>>>>>> >> quotation marks but works fairly good with books which get 
>>>>>> italicized] and 
>>>>>> >> also that the *second reference* does not produce the title only 
>>>>>> the 
>>>>>> >> author). 
>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>> >> [1] Kearney, “Introduction.”, xvi. 
>>>>>> >> [2] Kearney, 3. 
>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>> >> Any thoughts? 
>>>>>> >> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 7:05:26 PM UTC-5 
>>>>>> jmuc...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote: 
>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>> >>> "brew upgrade" should do it all by itself. Homebrew has version 
>>>>>> 2.11.1.1 
>>>>>> >>> as of my writing: 
>>>>>> >>> 
>>>>>> >>> 
>>>>>> >>> 
>>>>>> >>> On Thursday, 12 November 2020 at 18:01:10 UTC-5 
>>>>>> ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org 
>>>>>> >>> wrote: 
>>>>>> >>> 
>>>>>> >>>> Thanks for the advice here. 
>>>>>> >>>> 
>>>>>> >>>> I updated Pandoc via Terminal using *brew upgrade pandoc* but it 
>>>>>> only 
>>>>>> >>>> brought it to *pandoc 2.10.1*. Any advice on how to get it to 
>>>>>> pandoc 
>>>>>> >>>> 2.11.1.1? 
>>>>>> >>>> 
>>>>>> >>>> Again, I am a newbie here and would appreciate any guidance? 
>>>>>> >>>> 
>>>>>> >>>> Many thanks in advance! 
>>>>>> >>>> 
>>>>>> >>>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:55:00 PM UTC-5 John 
>>>>>> MacFarlane wrote: 
>>>>>> >>>> 
>>>>>> >>>>> 
>>>>>> >>>>> Ah. Try getting the latest version of pandoc (2.11.1.1). 
>>>>>> >>>>> Citation support was completely overhauled in 2.11 
>>>>>> >>>>> (so the pandoc-citeproc filter is no longer necessary; 
>>>>>> >>>>> instead, you use the --citeproc option). It should 
>>>>>> >>>>> be much better in general, so see if you get the same 
>>>>>> >>>>> results with the latest pandoc. 
>>>>>> >>>>> 
>>>>>> >>>>> Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>>>>>> >>>>> 
>>>>>> >>>>> > Thanks for the question. I checked this in terminal and this 
>>>>>> is what 
>>>>>> >>>>> the 
>>>>>> >>>>> > output is: 
>>>>>> >>>>> > 
>>>>>> >>>>> > pandoc 2.10.1 
>>>>>> >>>>> > 
>>>>>> >>>>> > Compiled with pandoc-types 1.21, texmath 0.12.0.2, 
>>>>>> skylighting 0.8.5 
>>>>>> >>>>> > 
>>>>>> >>>>> > Copyright (C) 2006-2020 John MacFarlane 
>>>>>> >>>>> > 
>>>>>> >>>>> > On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:10:28 PM UTC-5 John 
>>>>>> MacFarlane 
>>>>>> >>>>> wrote: 
>>>>>> >>>>> > 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> It's very important to know here what pandoc --version says. 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Hello. I am fairly new to Pandoc. I am seeking to use the 
>>>>>> Chicago 
>>>>>> >>>>> Short 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Note .csl from Zotero. I believe I have downloaded the 
>>>>>> most recent 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> version. 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> > I am also using the BibTex citation key in a footnote of a 
>>>>>> Markdown 
>>>>>> >>>>> that 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> > outputs to .docx. My goal is to process these through 
>>>>>> Pandoc. 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> > When I use the .csl short note style and the citation key 
>>>>>> and 
>>>>>> >>>>> process it 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> > through Pandoc (i.e., DocDown). I have two (interrelated?) 
>>>>>> issues 
>>>>>> >>>>> that 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> come 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> > up. I am trying to resolve and would appreciate any help 
>>>>>> and 
>>>>>> >>>>> guidance. 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 1. *Punctuation*: My BibTex key for the following resource 
>>>>>> is 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> > @KearneyIntroduction2006. This is a book section and when 
>>>>>> I write 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> > @KearneyIntroduction2006, xvi the .csl file output comes 
>>>>>> out like 
>>>>>> >>>>> this: 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Kearney, “Introduction.”, xvi 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> > I have added the comma but the period does not go away. 
>>>>>> >>>>> Interestingly, 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> when 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> > I use a BibTex citation key for a book (an item that does 
>>>>>> not have 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> > quotation marks in its output like a journal or book 
>>>>>> section), it 
>>>>>> >>>>> seems 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> to 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> > work fine. For example, @Hubscher-DavidsonTranslation2017, 
>>>>>> 3-4 
>>>>>> >>>>> comes out 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> > like Hubscher-Davidson, Translation and Emotion, 3-4. 
>>>>>> Notice that I 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> added 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> > the comma and this time it removed (what I think would be) 
>>>>>> a 
>>>>>> >>>>> naturally 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> > generated period by Zotero. 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 2. *Subsequent References*: Additionally, when I have two 
>>>>>> >>>>> references 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> > following each other in sequence I get the following 
>>>>>> result. 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Hubscher-Davidson, *Translation and Emotion*, 3-4. 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Hubscher-Davidson, 7. 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> > I do not want to use ibid style. 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> > *Ideally, I would like the short note to reproduce the 
>>>>>> author and 
>>>>>> >>>>> short 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> > title each time.* (i.e., I would like to produce 
>>>>>> Hubscher-Davidson, 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> *Translation 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> > and Emotion* for all citations and then point this short 
>>>>>> reference 
>>>>>> >>>>> to my 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> > bibliography.) 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Does anyone have any guidance on this issue(s)? 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Thank you for any guidance. This might be a basic question 
>>>>>> asked in 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> > ignorance. I appreciate your help in guiding a novice 
>>>>>> along this 
>>>>>> >>>>> way. :) 
>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
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Re: Pandoc Citation Error with Zotero BibTex Key for Short Note

[Joshua]

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I'd like to piggyback here. I have a similar problem, but without a locator 
(Pandoc v2.11.1.1).

*Markdown input:*

Do plants perceive?^[On the subject of plant perception, see 
@runyonVolatileChemicalCues2006 and @gaglianoOutSightNot2012. To compare 
formatting for a book citation, see @TudgeTreeNaturalHistory2007. For a 
discussion of specifically optical perception in plants, see 
@baluskaVisionPlantsPlantSpecific2016.]

*Footnote output:*

[1] On the subject of plant perception, see Runyon, “Volatile Chemical Cues 
Guide Host Location and Host Selection by Parasitic Plants.” and Gagliano 
et al., “Out of Sight but Not Out of Mind.”. To compare formatting for a 
book citation, see Tudge, *The Tree*. For a discussion of specifically 
optical perception in plants, see Baluška and Mancuso, “Vision in Plants 
via Plant-Specific Ocelli?”.

So I'm getting a lot of rogue periods. I *assume* this is user error, but 
I've tried a bunch of things to no avail.

Many thanks,
Joshua

On Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:50:02 AM UTC-8 ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org 
wrote:

> Pranesh,
>
> Thank you kindly for this additional clarification on citation formatting 
> for Pandoc. It is helpful to know this for in-line citations.
>
> Many thanks.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Matt
>
> On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 4:48:37 PM UTC-5 the.so...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org 
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Matthew,
>> I just wanted to note that, given you are using chicago-note-bibliography 
>> which uses footnotes, you can also achieve the same result by writing:
>>
>> ```
>> Test [@KearneyIntroduction2006, p. xvi]
>> ```
>>
>> instead of:
>>
>> ```
>> Test [^4]
>>
>> [^4]:   @KearneyIntroduction2006 [p. xvi]
>> ```
>>
>> Pandoc with the help of the CSL will automatically convert that (inline) 
>> citation into a footnote.  That makes writing the citations easier.  
>> Another benefit of doing that is that if you ever need to change the 
>> citations into an inline-citation style, then you won't need to go and 
>> remove all the footnote references: you would only need to change the CSL 
>> file.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Pranesh
>> On Saturday, 14 November, 2020 at 1:34:35 am UTC+5:30 
>> ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org wrote:
>>
>>> Yes. This seems to work great. I gave it a shot on my end and it renders 
>>> it correctly. Many, many thanks for your help here!
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 1:28:16 PM UTC-5 fiddlosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> The correct way to do the citation would be
>>>>
>>>> [^4]: @KearneyIntroduction2006 [p. xvi].
>>>>
>>>> This ensures that citeproc can tell you've got a locator, and that it's 
>>>> a page -- if you do this, all the punctuation will be correct (and don't 
>>>> worry, the 'p.' won't show in the final result, since the style says not to 
>>>> use it).
>>>> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 3:27:58 AM UTC-8 
>>>> ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you so very much! This .csl is exactly the style I was looking 
>>>>> for. Many, many thanks for this!
>>>>>
>>>>> This still does not resolve the punctuation issue, especially with 
>>>>> Book Sections and Journal Articles (i.e., perhaps anything with quotations 
>>>>> marks). I will try to submit a bug report for this particular concern.
>>>>>
>>>>> Very thankful for all of your help here!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 11:44:17 PM UTC-5 Denis Maier wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi, I guess you're using the chicago-note-bibliography.csl style, 
>>>>>> right? (I couldn't find a chicago-short-note.csl on the repo. Anyway, the 
>>>>>> results you're getting may look odd to you, but this is exactly what is 
>>>>>> requested by CMoS in its current iteration. They now want the author's name 
>>>>>> only where they would have had "ibid." before. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's quite easy to change this. This here (
>>>>>> https://gist.github.com/denismaier/21168acf9e9287fc41f32c7351917111) 
>>>>>> should do what you want.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Denis 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 13.11.2020 um 03:46 schrieb Matthew Lynskey:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the help. I will try to go and submit a bug report for 
>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Attached are 1) references from Zotero in Better BibTex, 2) the 
>>>>>> "Test" md file, and 3) the Test.docx output. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In terms of the style issue regarding the lack of a title. I don't 
>>>>>> understand code or .csl format and would not be able to tell if it is 
>>>>>> reading the style correctly. If it is, this seems like an odd format as I 
>>>>>> have not seen a short-subsequent style that left out the title and only had 
>>>>>> author's name. If this is the case, do you have any insight into a .csl 
>>>>>> style that would do short style every time? (see below for an example) 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1]: Kearney, “Introduction,” xvi. 
>>>>>> [2]: Kearney, “Introduction,” 3. 
>>>>>> [3]:  Kearney, “Introduction,” 35. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I appreciate your help and guidance here.
>>>>>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 8:51:36 PM UTC-5 John MacFarlane 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It would help to have the bibtex bibliography entry you're using 
>>>>>>> for the Kearney item, and the exact markdown citation you're 
>>>>>>> using. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John MacFarlane <j...-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > The second issue probably just reflects the style, which 
>>>>>>> > can use a shortened form when the work has just been cited. 
>>>>>>> > Do you have reason to believe pandoc is not following 
>>>>>>> > the rules in the csl file? 
>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>> > The first issue may be something we can improve. Why 
>>>>>>> > don't you submit a bug report on our tracker, with 
>>>>>>> > full information sufficient for reproducing it, so we 
>>>>>>> > don't lose track? https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues 
>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>> > Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>> >> Alright. I am upgraded to version 2.11.1.1. Thanks for the help 
>>>>>>> here. 
>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>> >> When I process the BibTex Key through Pandoc I end up with 
>>>>>>> citations like 
>>>>>>> >> below. The same issues as described above seem to be occurring. 
>>>>>>> (Notice the *punctuation 
>>>>>>> >> issue* [which seems to happen with journal articles/book sections 
>>>>>>> that have 
>>>>>>> >> quotation marks but works fairly good with books which get 
>>>>>>> italicized] and 
>>>>>>> >> also that the *second reference* does not produce the title only 
>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>> >> author). 
>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>> >> [1] Kearney, “Introduction.”, xvi. 
>>>>>>> >> [2] Kearney, 3. 
>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>> >> Any thoughts? 
>>>>>>> >> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 7:05:26 PM UTC-5 
>>>>>>> jmuc...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote: 
>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>> >>> "brew upgrade" should do it all by itself. Homebrew has version 
>>>>>>> 2.11.1.1 
>>>>>>> >>> as of my writing: 
>>>>>>> >>> 
>>>>>>> >>> 
>>>>>>> >>> 
>>>>>>> >>> On Thursday, 12 November 2020 at 18:01:10 UTC-5 
>>>>>>> ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org 
>>>>>>> >>> wrote: 
>>>>>>> >>> 
>>>>>>> >>>> Thanks for the advice here. 
>>>>>>> >>>> 
>>>>>>> >>>> I updated Pandoc via Terminal using *brew upgrade pandoc* but 
>>>>>>> it only 
>>>>>>> >>>> brought it to *pandoc 2.10.1*. Any advice on how to get it to 
>>>>>>> pandoc 
>>>>>>> >>>> 2.11.1.1? 
>>>>>>> >>>> 
>>>>>>> >>>> Again, I am a newbie here and would appreciate any guidance? 
>>>>>>> >>>> 
>>>>>>> >>>> Many thanks in advance! 
>>>>>>> >>>> 
>>>>>>> >>>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:55:00 PM UTC-5 John 
>>>>>>> MacFarlane wrote: 
>>>>>>> >>>> 
>>>>>>> >>>>> 
>>>>>>> >>>>> Ah. Try getting the latest version of pandoc (2.11.1.1). 
>>>>>>> >>>>> Citation support was completely overhauled in 2.11 
>>>>>>> >>>>> (so the pandoc-citeproc filter is no longer necessary; 
>>>>>>> >>>>> instead, you use the --citeproc option). It should 
>>>>>>> >>>>> be much better in general, so see if you get the same 
>>>>>>> >>>>> results with the latest pandoc. 
>>>>>>> >>>>> 
>>>>>>> >>>>> Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>>>>>>> >>>>> 
>>>>>>> >>>>> > Thanks for the question. I checked this in terminal and this 
>>>>>>> is what 
>>>>>>> >>>>> the 
>>>>>>> >>>>> > output is: 
>>>>>>> >>>>> > 
>>>>>>> >>>>> > pandoc 2.10.1 
>>>>>>> >>>>> > 
>>>>>>> >>>>> > Compiled with pandoc-types 1.21, texmath 0.12.0.2, 
>>>>>>> skylighting 0.8.5 
>>>>>>> >>>>> > 
>>>>>>> >>>>> > Copyright (C) 2006-2020 John MacFarlane 
>>>>>>> >>>>> > 
>>>>>>> >>>>> > On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:10:28 PM UTC-5 John 
>>>>>>> MacFarlane 
>>>>>>> >>>>> wrote: 
>>>>>>> >>>>> > 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> It's very important to know here what pandoc --version 
>>>>>>> says. 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Hello. I am fairly new to Pandoc. I am seeking to use the 
>>>>>>> Chicago 
>>>>>>> >>>>> Short 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Note .csl from Zotero. I believe I have downloaded the 
>>>>>>> most recent 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> version. 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > I am also using the BibTex citation key in a footnote of 
>>>>>>> a Markdown 
>>>>>>> >>>>> that 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > outputs to .docx. My goal is to process these through 
>>>>>>> Pandoc. 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > When I use the .csl short note style and the citation key 
>>>>>>> and 
>>>>>>> >>>>> process it 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > through Pandoc (i.e., DocDown). I have two 
>>>>>>> (interrelated?) issues 
>>>>>>> >>>>> that 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> come 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > up. I am trying to resolve and would appreciate any help 
>>>>>>> and 
>>>>>>> >>>>> guidance. 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 1. *Punctuation*: My BibTex key for the following 
>>>>>>> resource is 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > @KearneyIntroduction2006. This is a book section and when 
>>>>>>> I write 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > @KearneyIntroduction2006, xvi the .csl file output comes 
>>>>>>> out like 
>>>>>>> >>>>> this: 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Kearney, “Introduction.”, xvi 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > I have added the comma but the period does not go away. 
>>>>>>> >>>>> Interestingly, 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> when 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > I use a BibTex citation key for a book (an item that does 
>>>>>>> not have 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > quotation marks in its output like a journal or book 
>>>>>>> section), it 
>>>>>>> >>>>> seems 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> to 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > work fine. For example, 
>>>>>>> @Hubscher-DavidsonTranslation2017, 3-4 
>>>>>>> >>>>> comes out 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > like Hubscher-Davidson, Translation and Emotion, 3-4. 
>>>>>>> Notice that I 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> added 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > the comma and this time it removed (what I think would 
>>>>>>> be) a 
>>>>>>> >>>>> naturally 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > generated period by Zotero. 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 2. *Subsequent References*: Additionally, when I have two 
>>>>>>> >>>>> references 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > following each other in sequence I get the following 
>>>>>>> result. 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Hubscher-Davidson, *Translation and Emotion*, 3-4. 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Hubscher-Davidson, 7. 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > I do not want to use ibid style. 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > *Ideally, I would like the short note to reproduce the 
>>>>>>> author and 
>>>>>>> >>>>> short 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > title each time.* (i.e., I would like to produce 
>>>>>>> Hubscher-Davidson, 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> *Translation 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > and Emotion* for all citations and then point this short 
>>>>>>> reference 
>>>>>>> >>>>> to my 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > bibliography.) 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Does anyone have any guidance on this issue(s)? 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Thank you for any guidance. This might be a basic 
>>>>>>> question asked in 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > ignorance. I appreciate your help in guiding a novice 
>>>>>>> along this 
>>>>>>> >>>>> way. :) 
>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
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Re: Pandoc Citation Error with Zotero BibTex Key for Short Note

[John MacFarlane]

Very likely this is something we can improve, but we'd
need a complete recipe for reproducnig this:  not
just the md input, but the bibliographic data and style
you used.  (If it's user error, we could also determine
that from a complete example.)

Joshua <joshua.kerr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:

> I'd like to piggyback here. I have a similar problem, but without a locator 
> (Pandoc v2.11.1.1).
>
> *Markdown input:*
>
> Do plants perceive?^[On the subject of plant perception, see 
> @runyonVolatileChemicalCues2006 and @gaglianoOutSightNot2012. To compare 
> formatting for a book citation, see @TudgeTreeNaturalHistory2007. For a 
> discussion of specifically optical perception in plants, see 
> @baluskaVisionPlantsPlantSpecific2016.]
>
> *Footnote output:*
>
> [1] On the subject of plant perception, see Runyon, “Volatile Chemical Cues 
> Guide Host Location and Host Selection by Parasitic Plants.” and Gagliano 
> et al., “Out of Sight but Not Out of Mind.”. To compare formatting for a 
> book citation, see Tudge, *The Tree*. For a discussion of specifically 
> optical perception in plants, see Baluška and Mancuso, “Vision in Plants 
> via Plant-Specific Ocelli?”.
>
> So I'm getting a lot of rogue periods. I *assume* this is user error, but 
> I've tried a bunch of things to no avail.
>
> Many thanks,
> Joshua
>
> On Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:50:02 AM UTC-8 ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOMXa4x6EXUF0@public.gmane.orgg 
> wrote:
>
>> Pranesh,
>>
>> Thank you kindly for this additional clarification on citation formatting 
>> for Pandoc. It is helpful to know this for in-line citations.
>>
>> Many thanks.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>> Matt
>>
>> On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 4:48:37 PM UTC-5 the.so...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Matthew,
>>> I just wanted to note that, given you are using chicago-note-bibliography 
>>> which uses footnotes, you can also achieve the same result by writing:
>>>
>>> ```
>>> Test [@KearneyIntroduction2006, p. xvi]
>>> ```
>>>
>>> instead of:
>>>
>>> ```
>>> Test [^4]
>>>
>>> [^4]:   @KearneyIntroduction2006 [p. xvi]
>>> ```
>>>
>>> Pandoc with the help of the CSL will automatically convert that (inline) 
>>> citation into a footnote.  That makes writing the citations easier.  
>>> Another benefit of doing that is that if you ever need to change the 
>>> citations into an inline-citation style, then you won't need to go and 
>>> remove all the footnote references: you would only need to change the CSL 
>>> file.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Pranesh
>>> On Saturday, 14 November, 2020 at 1:34:35 am UTC+5:30 
>>> ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes. This seems to work great. I gave it a shot on my end and it renders 
>>>> it correctly. Many, many thanks for your help here!
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 1:28:16 PM UTC-5 fiddlosopher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The correct way to do the citation would be
>>>>>
>>>>> [^4]: @KearneyIntroduction2006 [p. xvi].
>>>>>
>>>>> This ensures that citeproc can tell you've got a locator, and that it's 
>>>>> a page -- if you do this, all the punctuation will be correct (and don't 
>>>>> worry, the 'p.' won't show in the final result, since the style says not to 
>>>>> use it).
>>>>> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 3:27:58 AM UTC-8 
>>>>> ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you so very much! This .csl is exactly the style I was looking 
>>>>>> for. Many, many thanks for this!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This still does not resolve the punctuation issue, especially with 
>>>>>> Book Sections and Journal Articles (i.e., perhaps anything with quotations 
>>>>>> marks). I will try to submit a bug report for this particular concern.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Very thankful for all of your help here!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 11:44:17 PM UTC-5 Denis Maier wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi, I guess you're using the chicago-note-bibliography.csl style, 
>>>>>>> right? (I couldn't find a chicago-short-note.csl on the repo. Anyway, the 
>>>>>>> results you're getting may look odd to you, but this is exactly what is 
>>>>>>> requested by CMoS in its current iteration. They now want the author's name 
>>>>>>> only where they would have had "ibid." before. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's quite easy to change this. This here (
>>>>>>> https://gist.github.com/denismaier/21168acf9e9287fc41f32c7351917111) 
>>>>>>> should do what you want.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>> Denis 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 13.11.2020 um 03:46 schrieb Matthew Lynskey:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for the help. I will try to go and submit a bug report for 
>>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Attached are 1) references from Zotero in Better BibTex, 2) the 
>>>>>>> "Test" md file, and 3) the Test.docx output. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In terms of the style issue regarding the lack of a title. I don't 
>>>>>>> understand code or .csl format and would not be able to tell if it is 
>>>>>>> reading the style correctly. If it is, this seems like an odd format as I 
>>>>>>> have not seen a short-subsequent style that left out the title and only had 
>>>>>>> author's name. If this is the case, do you have any insight into a .csl 
>>>>>>> style that would do short style every time? (see below for an example) 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1]: Kearney, “Introduction,” xvi. 
>>>>>>> [2]: Kearney, “Introduction,” 3. 
>>>>>>> [3]:  Kearney, “Introduction,” 35. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I appreciate your help and guidance here.
>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 8:51:36 PM UTC-5 John MacFarlane 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It would help to have the bibtex bibliography entry you're using 
>>>>>>>> for the Kearney item, and the exact markdown citation you're 
>>>>>>>> using. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John MacFarlane <j...-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > The second issue probably just reflects the style, which 
>>>>>>>> > can use a shortened form when the work has just been cited. 
>>>>>>>> > Do you have reason to believe pandoc is not following 
>>>>>>>> > the rules in the csl file? 
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> > The first issue may be something we can improve. Why 
>>>>>>>> > don't you submit a bug report on our tracker, with 
>>>>>>>> > full information sufficient for reproducing it, so we 
>>>>>>>> > don't lose track? https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues 
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> > Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> >> Alright. I am upgraded to version 2.11.1.1. Thanks for the help 
>>>>>>>> here. 
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> When I process the BibTex Key through Pandoc I end up with 
>>>>>>>> citations like 
>>>>>>>> >> below. The same issues as described above seem to be occurring. 
>>>>>>>> (Notice the *punctuation 
>>>>>>>> >> issue* [which seems to happen with journal articles/book sections 
>>>>>>>> that have 
>>>>>>>> >> quotation marks but works fairly good with books which get 
>>>>>>>> italicized] and 
>>>>>>>> >> also that the *second reference* does not produce the title only 
>>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>>> >> author). 
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> [1] Kearney, “Introduction.”, xvi. 
>>>>>>>> >> [2] Kearney, 3. 
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> Any thoughts? 
>>>>>>>> >> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 7:05:26 PM UTC-5 
>>>>>>>> jmuc...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote: 
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >>> "brew upgrade" should do it all by itself. Homebrew has version 
>>>>>>>> 2.11.1.1 
>>>>>>>> >>> as of my writing: 
>>>>>>>> >>> 
>>>>>>>> >>> 
>>>>>>>> >>> 
>>>>>>>> >>> On Thursday, 12 November 2020 at 18:01:10 UTC-5 
>>>>>>>> ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org 
>>>>>>>> >>> wrote: 
>>>>>>>> >>> 
>>>>>>>> >>>> Thanks for the advice here. 
>>>>>>>> >>>> 
>>>>>>>> >>>> I updated Pandoc via Terminal using *brew upgrade pandoc* but 
>>>>>>>> it only 
>>>>>>>> >>>> brought it to *pandoc 2.10.1*. Any advice on how to get it to 
>>>>>>>> pandoc 
>>>>>>>> >>>> 2.11.1.1? 
>>>>>>>> >>>> 
>>>>>>>> >>>> Again, I am a newbie here and would appreciate any guidance? 
>>>>>>>> >>>> 
>>>>>>>> >>>> Many thanks in advance! 
>>>>>>>> >>>> 
>>>>>>>> >>>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:55:00 PM UTC-5 John 
>>>>>>>> MacFarlane wrote: 
>>>>>>>> >>>> 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> Ah. Try getting the latest version of pandoc (2.11.1.1). 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> Citation support was completely overhauled in 2.11 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> (so the pandoc-citeproc filter is no longer necessary; 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> instead, you use the --citeproc option). It should 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> be much better in general, so see if you get the same 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> results with the latest pandoc. 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> > Thanks for the question. I checked this in terminal and this 
>>>>>>>> is what 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> the 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> > output is: 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> > pandoc 2.10.1 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> > Compiled with pandoc-types 1.21, texmath 0.12.0.2, 
>>>>>>>> skylighting 0.8.5 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> > Copyright (C) 2006-2020 John MacFarlane 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> > On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:10:28 PM UTC-5 John 
>>>>>>>> MacFarlane 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> wrote: 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> It's very important to know here what pandoc --version 
>>>>>>>> says. 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Hello. I am fairly new to Pandoc. I am seeking to use the 
>>>>>>>> Chicago 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> Short 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Note .csl from Zotero. I believe I have downloaded the 
>>>>>>>> most recent 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> version. 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > I am also using the BibTex citation key in a footnote of 
>>>>>>>> a Markdown 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> that 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > outputs to .docx. My goal is to process these through 
>>>>>>>> Pandoc. 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > When I use the .csl short note style and the citation key 
>>>>>>>> and 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> process it 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > through Pandoc (i.e., DocDown). I have two 
>>>>>>>> (interrelated?) issues 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> that 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> come 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > up. I am trying to resolve and would appreciate any help 
>>>>>>>> and 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> guidance. 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 1. *Punctuation*: My BibTex key for the following 
>>>>>>>> resource is 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > @KearneyIntroduction2006. This is a book section and when 
>>>>>>>> I write 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > @KearneyIntroduction2006, xvi the .csl file output comes 
>>>>>>>> out like 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> this: 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Kearney, “Introduction.”, xvi 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > I have added the comma but the period does not go away. 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> Interestingly, 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> when 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > I use a BibTex citation key for a book (an item that does 
>>>>>>>> not have 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > quotation marks in its output like a journal or book 
>>>>>>>> section), it 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> seems 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> to 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > work fine. For example, 
>>>>>>>> @Hubscher-DavidsonTranslation2017, 3-4 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> comes out 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > like Hubscher-Davidson, Translation and Emotion, 3-4. 
>>>>>>>> Notice that I 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> added 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > the comma and this time it removed (what I think would 
>>>>>>>> be) a 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> naturally 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > generated period by Zotero. 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 2. *Subsequent References*: Additionally, when I have two 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> references 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > following each other in sequence I get the following 
>>>>>>>> result. 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Hubscher-Davidson, *Translation and Emotion*, 3-4. 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Hubscher-Davidson, 7. 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > I do not want to use ibid style. 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > *Ideally, I would like the short note to reproduce the 
>>>>>>>> author and 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> short 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > title each time.* (i.e., I would like to produce 
>>>>>>>> Hubscher-Davidson, 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> *Translation 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > and Emotion* for all citations and then point this short 
>>>>>>>> reference 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> to my 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > bibliography.) 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Does anyone have any guidance on this issue(s)? 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Thank you for any guidance. This might be a basic 
>>>>>>>> question asked in 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > ignorance. I appreciate your help in guiding a novice 
>>>>>>>> along this 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> way. :) 
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
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Re: Pandoc Citation Error with Zotero BibTex Key for Short Note

[Joshua]

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Sorry for underestimating what was needed! And thank you for taking the 
time to look.

Pandoc v2.11.1.1
CSL: chicago-note-bibliography.csl
Sample Input (Markdown):

Do plants perceive?^[On the subject of plant perception, see 
@runyonVolatileChemicalCues2006 and @gaglianoOutSightNot2012. To compare 
formatting for a book citation, see @TudgeTreeNaturalHistory2007. For a 
discussion of specifically optical perception in plants, see 
@baluskaVisionPlantsPlantSpecific2016.]
Sample Output (PDF):

[1] On the subject of plant perception, see Runyon, “Volatile Chemical Cues 
Guide Host Location and Host Selection by Parasitic Plants.” and Gagliano 
et al., “Out of Sight but Not Out of Mind.”. To compare formatting for a 
book citation, see Tudge, *The Tree*. For a discussion of specifically 
optical perception in plants, see Baluška and Mancuso, “Vision in Plants 
via Plant-Specific Ocelli?”.
Sample Bibliography (ExportedItems.bib):

@article{baluskaVisionPlantsPlantSpecific2016,
  title = {Vision in {{Plants}} via {{Plant}}-{{Specific Ocelli}}?},
  author = {Baluška, Frantisek and Mancuso, Stefano},
  date = {2016-09},
  journaltitle = {Trends in Plant Science},
  volume = {21},
  pages = {727--730},
  issn = {13601385},
  doi = {10/ghknts},
  url = {https://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S1360138516300930},
  urldate = {2020-11-19},
  langid = {english},
  number = {9}
}

@article{gaglianoOutSightNot2012,
  title = {Out of {{Sight}} but {{Not}} out of {{Mind}}: {{Alternative 
Means}} of {{Communication}} in {{Plants}}},
  shorttitle = {Out of {{Sight}} but {{Not}} out of {{Mind}}},
  author = {Gagliano, Monica and Renton, Michael and Duvdevani, Nili and 
Timmins, Matthew and Mancuso, Stefano},
  editor = {Moora, Mari},
  date = {2012-05-22},
  journaltitle = {PLoS ONE},
  volume = {7},
  pages = {e37382},
  issn = {1932-6203},
  doi = {10/f3zvbt},
  url = {https://dx.plos.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0037382},
  urldate = {2020-11-19},
  langid = {english},
  number = {5}
}

@article{runyonVolatileChemicalCues2006,
  title = {Volatile {{Chemical Cues Guide Host Location}} and {{Host 
Selection}} by {{Parasitic Plants}}},
  author = {Runyon, J. B.},
  date = {2006-09-29},
  journaltitle = {Science},
  volume = {313},
  pages = {1964--1967},
  issn = {0036-8075, 1095-9203},
  doi = {10/dj7dcx},
  url = {https://www.sciencemag.org/lookup/doi/10.1126/science.1131371},
  urldate = {2020-11-19},
  langid = {english},
  number = {5795}
}

@book{tudgeTreeNaturalHistory2007,
  title = {The {{Tree}}: {{A Natural History}} of {{What Trees Are}}, {{How 
They Live}}, and {{Why They Matter}}},
  shorttitle = {The {{Tree}}},
  author = {Tudge, Colin},
  date = {2007},
  publisher = {{Three Rivers Press}},
  location = {{New York}},
  isbn = {978-0-307-39539-9 0-307-39539-1},
  langid = {english}
}

On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 2:38:44 PM UTC-8 John MacFarlane wrote:

>
> Very likely this is something we can improve, but we'd
> need a complete recipe for reproducnig this: not
> just the md input, but the bibliographic data and style
> you used. (If it's user error, we could also determine
> that from a complete example.)
>
> Joshua <joshu...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:
>
> > I'd like to piggyback here. I have a similar problem, but without a 
> locator 
> > (Pandoc v2.11.1.1).
> >
> > *Markdown input:*
> >
> > Do plants perceive?^[On the subject of plant perception, see 
> > @runyonVolatileChemicalCues2006 and @gaglianoOutSightNot2012. To compare 
> > formatting for a book citation, see @TudgeTreeNaturalHistory2007. For a 
> > discussion of specifically optical perception in plants, see 
> > @baluskaVisionPlantsPlantSpecific2016.]
> >
> > *Footnote output:*
> >
> > [1] On the subject of plant perception, see Runyon, “Volatile Chemical 
> Cues 
> > Guide Host Location and Host Selection by Parasitic Plants.” and 
> Gagliano 
> > et al., “Out of Sight but Not Out of Mind.”. To compare formatting for a 
> > book citation, see Tudge, *The Tree*. For a discussion of specifically 
> > optical perception in plants, see Baluška and Mancuso, “Vision in Plants 
> > via Plant-Specific Ocelli?”.
> >
> > So I'm getting a lot of rogue periods. I *assume* this is user error, 
> but 
> > I've tried a bunch of things to no avail.
> >
> > Many thanks,
> > Joshua
> >
> > On Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:50:02 AM UTC-8 
> ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Pranesh,
> >>
> >> Thank you kindly for this additional clarification on citation 
> formatting 
> >> for Pandoc. It is helpful to know this for in-line citations.
> >>
> >> Many thanks.
> >>
> >> Kind Regards,
> >> Matt
> >>
> >> On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 4:48:37 PM UTC-5 the.so...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dear Matthew,
> >>> I just wanted to note that, given you are using 
> chicago-note-bibliography 
> >>> which uses footnotes, you can also achieve the same result by writing:
> >>>
> >>> ```
> >>> Test [@KearneyIntroduction2006, p. xvi]
> >>> ```
> >>>
> >>> instead of:
> >>>
> >>> ```
> >>> Test [^4]
> >>>
> >>> [^4]: @KearneyIntroduction2006 [p. xvi]
> >>> ```
> >>>
> >>> Pandoc with the help of the CSL will automatically convert that 
> (inline) 
> >>> citation into a footnote. That makes writing the citations easier. 
> >>> Another benefit of doing that is that if you ever need to change the 
> >>> citations into an inline-citation style, then you won't need to go and 
> >>> remove all the footnote references: you would only need to change the 
> CSL 
> >>> file.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Pranesh
> >>> On Saturday, 14 November, 2020 at 1:34:35 am UTC+5:30 
> >>> ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Yes. This seems to work great. I gave it a shot on my end and it 
> renders 
> >>>> it correctly. Many, many thanks for your help here!
> >>>>
> >>>> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 1:28:16 PM UTC-5 fiddlosopher wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> The correct way to do the citation would be
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [^4]: @KearneyIntroduction2006 [p. xvi].
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This ensures that citeproc can tell you've got a locator, and that 
> it's 
> >>>>> a page -- if you do this, all the punctuation will be correct (and 
> don't 
> >>>>> worry, the 'p.' won't show in the final result, since the style says 
> not to 
> >>>>> use it).
> >>>>> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 3:27:58 AM UTC-8 
> >>>>> ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Thank you so very much! This .csl is exactly the style I was 
> looking 
> >>>>>> for. Many, many thanks for this!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This still does not resolve the punctuation issue, especially with 
> >>>>>> Book Sections and Journal Articles (i.e., perhaps anything with 
> quotations 
> >>>>>> marks). I will try to submit a bug report for this particular 
> concern.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Very thankful for all of your help here!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 11:44:17 PM UTC-5 Denis Maier 
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi, I guess you're using the chicago-note-bibliography.csl style, 
> >>>>>>> right? (I couldn't find a chicago-short-note.csl on the repo. 
> Anyway, the 
> >>>>>>> results you're getting may look odd to you, but this is exactly 
> what is 
> >>>>>>> requested by CMoS in its current iteration. They now want the 
> author's name 
> >>>>>>> only where they would have had "ibid." before. 
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It's quite easy to change this. This here (
> >>>>>>> 
> https://gist.github.com/denismaier/21168acf9e9287fc41f32c7351917111) 
> >>>>>>> should do what you want.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>>> Denis 
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Am 13.11.2020 um 03:46 schrieb Matthew Lynskey:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks for the help. I will try to go and submit a bug report for 
> >>>>>>> this.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Attached are 1) references from Zotero in Better BibTex, 2) the 
> >>>>>>> "Test" md file, and 3) the Test.docx output. 
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In terms of the style issue regarding the lack of a title. I don't 
> >>>>>>> understand code or .csl format and would not be able to tell if it 
> is 
> >>>>>>> reading the style correctly. If it is, this seems like an odd 
> format as I 
> >>>>>>> have not seen a short-subsequent style that left out the title and 
> only had 
> >>>>>>> author's name. If this is the case, do you have any insight into a 
> .csl 
> >>>>>>> style that would do short style every time? (see below for an 
> example) 
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> [1]: Kearney, “Introduction,” xvi. 
> >>>>>>> [2]: Kearney, “Introduction,” 3. 
> >>>>>>> [3]: Kearney, “Introduction,” 35. 
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I appreciate your help and guidance here.
> >>>>>>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 8:51:36 PM UTC-5 John MacFarlane 
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It would help to have the bibtex bibliography entry you're using 
> >>>>>>>> for the Kearney item, and the exact markdown citation you're 
> >>>>>>>> using. 
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> John MacFarlane <j...-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> writes: 
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> > The second issue probably just reflects the style, which 
> >>>>>>>> > can use a shortened form when the work has just been cited. 
> >>>>>>>> > Do you have reason to believe pandoc is not following 
> >>>>>>>> > the rules in the csl file? 
> >>>>>>>> > 
> >>>>>>>> > The first issue may be something we can improve. Why 
> >>>>>>>> > don't you submit a bug report on our tracker, with 
> >>>>>>>> > full information sufficient for reproducing it, so we 
> >>>>>>>> > don't lose track? https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues 
> >>>>>>>> > 
> >>>>>>>> > Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
> >>>>>>>> > 
> >>>>>>>> >> Alright. I am upgraded to version 2.11.1.1. Thanks for the 
> help 
> >>>>>>>> here. 
> >>>>>>>> >> 
> >>>>>>>> >> When I process the BibTex Key through Pandoc I end up with 
> >>>>>>>> citations like 
> >>>>>>>> >> below. The same issues as described above seem to be 
> occurring. 
> >>>>>>>> (Notice the *punctuation 
> >>>>>>>> >> issue* [which seems to happen with journal articles/book 
> sections 
> >>>>>>>> that have 
> >>>>>>>> >> quotation marks but works fairly good with books which get 
> >>>>>>>> italicized] and 
> >>>>>>>> >> also that the *second reference* does not produce the title 
> only 
> >>>>>>>> the 
> >>>>>>>> >> author). 
> >>>>>>>> >> 
> >>>>>>>> >> [1] Kearney, “Introduction.”, xvi. 
> >>>>>>>> >> [2] Kearney, 3. 
> >>>>>>>> >> 
> >>>>>>>> >> Any thoughts? 
> >>>>>>>> >> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 7:05:26 PM UTC-5 
> >>>>>>>> jmuc...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote: 
> >>>>>>>> >> 
> >>>>>>>> >>> "brew upgrade" should do it all by itself. Homebrew has 
> version 
> >>>>>>>> 2.11.1.1 
> >>>>>>>> >>> as of my writing: 
> >>>>>>>> >>> 
> >>>>>>>> >>> 
> >>>>>>>> >>> 
> >>>>>>>> >>> On Thursday, 12 November 2020 at 18:01:10 UTC-5 
> >>>>>>>> ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org 
> >>>>>>>> >>> wrote: 
> >>>>>>>> >>> 
> >>>>>>>> >>>> Thanks for the advice here. 
> >>>>>>>> >>>> 
> >>>>>>>> >>>> I updated Pandoc via Terminal using *brew upgrade pandoc* 
> but 
> >>>>>>>> it only 
> >>>>>>>> >>>> brought it to *pandoc 2.10.1*. Any advice on how to get it 
> to 
> >>>>>>>> pandoc 
> >>>>>>>> >>>> 2.11.1.1? 
> >>>>>>>> >>>> 
> >>>>>>>> >>>> Again, I am a newbie here and would appreciate any guidance? 
> >>>>>>>> >>>> 
> >>>>>>>> >>>> Many thanks in advance! 
> >>>>>>>> >>>> 
> >>>>>>>> >>>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:55:00 PM UTC-5 John 
> >>>>>>>> MacFarlane wrote: 
> >>>>>>>> >>>> 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> Ah. Try getting the latest version of pandoc (2.11.1.1). 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> Citation support was completely overhauled in 2.11 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> (so the pandoc-citeproc filter is no longer necessary; 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> instead, you use the --citeproc option). It should 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> be much better in general, so see if you get the same 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> results with the latest pandoc. 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> > Thanks for the question. I checked this in terminal and 
> this 
> >>>>>>>> is what 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> the 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> > output is: 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> > 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> > pandoc 2.10.1 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> > 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> > Compiled with pandoc-types 1.21, texmath 0.12.0.2, 
> >>>>>>>> skylighting 0.8.5 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> > 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> > Copyright (C) 2006-2020 John MacFarlane 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> > 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> > On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:10:28 PM UTC-5 John 
> >>>>>>>> MacFarlane 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> wrote: 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> > 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> It's very important to know here what pandoc --version 
> >>>>>>>> says. 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Hello. I am fairly new to Pandoc. I am seeking to use 
> the 
> >>>>>>>> Chicago 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> Short 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Note .csl from Zotero. I believe I have downloaded the 
> >>>>>>>> most recent 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> version. 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > I am also using the BibTex citation key in a footnote 
> of 
> >>>>>>>> a Markdown 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> that 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > outputs to .docx. My goal is to process these through 
> >>>>>>>> Pandoc. 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > When I use the .csl short note style and the citation 
> key 
> >>>>>>>> and 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> process it 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > through Pandoc (i.e., DocDown). I have two 
> >>>>>>>> (interrelated?) issues 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> that 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> come 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > up. I am trying to resolve and would appreciate any 
> help 
> >>>>>>>> and 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> guidance. 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 1. *Punctuation*: My BibTex key for the following 
> >>>>>>>> resource is 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > @KearneyIntroduction2006. This is a book section and 
> when 
> >>>>>>>> I write 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > @KearneyIntroduction2006, xvi the .csl file output 
> comes 
> >>>>>>>> out like 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> this: 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Kearney, “Introduction.”, xvi 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > I have added the comma but the period does not go 
> away. 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> Interestingly, 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> when 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > I use a BibTex citation key for a book (an item that 
> does 
> >>>>>>>> not have 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > quotation marks in its output like a journal or book 
> >>>>>>>> section), it 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> seems 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> to 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > work fine. For example, 
> >>>>>>>> @Hubscher-DavidsonTranslation2017, 3-4 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> comes out 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > like Hubscher-Davidson, Translation and Emotion, 3-4. 
> >>>>>>>> Notice that I 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> added 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > the comma and this time it removed (what I think would 
> >>>>>>>> be) a 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> naturally 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > generated period by Zotero. 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 2. *Subsequent References*: Additionally, when I have 
> two 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> references 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > following each other in sequence I get the following 
> >>>>>>>> result. 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Hubscher-Davidson, *Translation and Emotion*, 3-4. 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Hubscher-Davidson, 7. 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > I do not want to use ibid style. 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > *Ideally, I would like the short note to reproduce the 
> >>>>>>>> author and 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> short 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > title each time.* (i.e., I would like to produce 
> >>>>>>>> Hubscher-Davidson, 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> *Translation 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > and Emotion* for all citations and then point this 
> short 
> >>>>>>>> reference 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> to my 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > bibliography.) 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Does anyone have any guidance on this issue(s)? 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Thank you for any guidance. This might be a basic 
> >>>>>>>> question asked in 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > ignorance. I appreciate your help in guiding a novice 
> >>>>>>>> along this 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> way. :) 
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Re: Pandoc Citation Error with Zotero BibTex Key for Short Note

[Matthew Lynskey]

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I also am having a similar issue. I was able to make the citekey work with 
page numbers, but when I tested this out the same problem occurred. 

I have attached my .md file, .bib file, and .docx output below.

Notice that the issue does not seem to manifest with page numbers correctly 
notated (as delineated above). However, when a source/citekey is listed *without 
page numbers* issues occur. Also, interestingly, it seems to have issues 
with *titles with quotation marks*. Notice in my documents how there is no 
punctuation issue with the book with no page numbers but there is a 
punctuation issue with both the *book section* and *journal article* 
without page numbers.

I too am grateful for any help you can provide. 

Many thanks in advance.

On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 6:00:06 PM UTC-5 Joshua wrote:

> Sorry for underestimating what was needed! And thank you for taking the 
> time to look.
>
> Pandoc v2.11.1.1
> CSL: chicago-note-bibliography.csl
> Sample Input (Markdown):
>
> Do plants perceive?^[On the subject of plant perception, see 
> @runyonVolatileChemicalCues2006 and @gaglianoOutSightNot2012. To compare 
> formatting for a book citation, see @TudgeTreeNaturalHistory2007. For a 
> discussion of specifically optical perception in plants, see 
> @baluskaVisionPlantsPlantSpecific2016.]
> Sample Output (PDF):
>
> [1] On the subject of plant perception, see Runyon, “Volatile Chemical 
> Cues Guide Host Location and Host Selection by Parasitic Plants.” and 
> Gagliano et al., “Out of Sight but Not Out of Mind.”. To compare formatting 
> for a book citation, see Tudge, *The Tree*. For a discussion of 
> specifically optical perception in plants, see Baluška and Mancuso, “Vision 
> in Plants via Plant-Specific Ocelli?”.
> Sample Bibliography (ExportedItems.bib):
>
> @article{baluskaVisionPlantsPlantSpecific2016,
>   title = {Vision in {{Plants}} via {{Plant}}-{{Specific Ocelli}}?},
>   author = {Baluška, Frantisek and Mancuso, Stefano},
>   date = {2016-09},
>   journaltitle = {Trends in Plant Science},
>   volume = {21},
>   pages = {727--730},
>   issn = {13601385},
>   doi = {10/ghknts},
>   url = {https://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S1360138516300930},
>   urldate = {2020-11-19},
>   langid = {english},
>   number = {9}
> }
>
> @article{gaglianoOutSightNot2012,
>   title = {Out of {{Sight}} but {{Not}} out of {{Mind}}: {{Alternative 
> Means}} of {{Communication}} in {{Plants}}},
>   shorttitle = {Out of {{Sight}} but {{Not}} out of {{Mind}}},
>   author = {Gagliano, Monica and Renton, Michael and Duvdevani, Nili and 
> Timmins, Matthew and Mancuso, Stefano},
>   editor = {Moora, Mari},
>   date = {2012-05-22},
>   journaltitle = {PLoS ONE},
>   volume = {7},
>   pages = {e37382},
>   issn = {1932-6203},
>   doi = {10/f3zvbt},
>   url = {https://dx.plos.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0037382},
>   urldate = {2020-11-19},
>   langid = {english},
>   number = {5}
> }
>
> @article{runyonVolatileChemicalCues2006,
>   title = {Volatile {{Chemical Cues Guide Host Location}} and {{Host 
> Selection}} by {{Parasitic Plants}}},
>   author = {Runyon, J. B.},
>   date = {2006-09-29},
>   journaltitle = {Science},
>   volume = {313},
>   pages = {1964--1967},
>   issn = {0036-8075, 1095-9203},
>   doi = {10/dj7dcx},
>   url = {https://www.sciencemag.org/lookup/doi/10.1126/science.1131371},
>   urldate = {2020-11-19},
>   langid = {english},
>   number = {5795}
> }
>
> @book{tudgeTreeNaturalHistory2007,
>   title = {The {{Tree}}: {{A Natural History}} of {{What Trees Are}}, 
> {{How They Live}}, and {{Why They Matter}}},
>   shorttitle = {The {{Tree}}},
>   author = {Tudge, Colin},
>   date = {2007},
>   publisher = {{Three Rivers Press}},
>   location = {{New York}},
>   isbn = {978-0-307-39539-9 0-307-39539-1},
>   langid = {english}
> }
>
> On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 2:38:44 PM UTC-8 John MacFarlane wrote:
>
>>
>> Very likely this is something we can improve, but we'd 
>> need a complete recipe for reproducnig this: not 
>> just the md input, but the bibliographic data and style 
>> you used. (If it's user error, we could also determine 
>> that from a complete example.) 
>>
>> Joshua <joshu...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>>
>> > I'd like to piggyback here. I have a similar problem, but without a 
>> locator 
>> > (Pandoc v2.11.1.1). 
>> > 
>> > *Markdown input:* 
>> > 
>> > Do plants perceive?^[On the subject of plant perception, see 
>> > @runyonVolatileChemicalCues2006 and @gaglianoOutSightNot2012. To 
>> compare 
>> > formatting for a book citation, see @TudgeTreeNaturalHistory2007. For a 
>> > discussion of specifically optical perception in plants, see 
>> > @baluskaVisionPlantsPlantSpecific2016.] 
>> > 
>> > *Footnote output:* 
>> > 
>> > [1] On the subject of plant perception, see Runyon, “Volatile Chemical 
>> Cues 
>> > Guide Host Location and Host Selection by Parasitic Plants.” and 
>> Gagliano 
>> > et al., “Out of Sight but Not Out of Mind.”. To compare formatting for 
>> a 
>> > book citation, see Tudge, *The Tree*. For a discussion of specifically 
>> > optical perception in plants, see Baluška and Mancuso, “Vision in 
>> Plants 
>> > via Plant-Specific Ocelli?”. 
>> > 
>> > So I'm getting a lot of rogue periods. I *assume* this is user error, 
>> but 
>> > I've tried a bunch of things to no avail. 
>> > 
>> > Many thanks, 
>> > Joshua 
>> > 
>> > On Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:50:02 AM UTC-8 
>> ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org 
>> > wrote: 
>> > 
>> >> Pranesh, 
>> >> 
>> >> Thank you kindly for this additional clarification on citation 
>> formatting 
>> >> for Pandoc. It is helpful to know this for in-line citations. 
>> >> 
>> >> Many thanks. 
>> >> 
>> >> Kind Regards, 
>> >> Matt 
>> >> 
>> >> On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 4:48:37 PM UTC-5 the.so...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org 
>> >> wrote: 
>> >> 
>> >>> Dear Matthew, 
>> >>> I just wanted to note that, given you are using 
>> chicago-note-bibliography 
>> >>> which uses footnotes, you can also achieve the same result by 
>> writing: 
>> >>> 
>> >>> ``` 
>> >>> Test [@KearneyIntroduction2006, p. xvi] 
>> >>> ``` 
>> >>> 
>> >>> instead of: 
>> >>> 
>> >>> ``` 
>> >>> Test [^4] 
>> >>> 
>> >>> [^4]: @KearneyIntroduction2006 [p. xvi] 
>> >>> ``` 
>> >>> 
>> >>> Pandoc with the help of the CSL will automatically convert that 
>> (inline) 
>> >>> citation into a footnote. That makes writing the citations easier. 
>> >>> Another benefit of doing that is that if you ever need to change the 
>> >>> citations into an inline-citation style, then you won't need to go 
>> and 
>> >>> remove all the footnote references: you would only need to change the 
>> CSL 
>> >>> file. 
>> >>> 
>> >>> Regards, 
>> >>> Pranesh 
>> >>> On Saturday, 14 November, 2020 at 1:34:35 am UTC+5:30 
>> >>> ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org wrote: 
>> >>> 
>> >>>> Yes. This seems to work great. I gave it a shot on my end and it 
>> renders 
>> >>>> it correctly. Many, many thanks for your help here! 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 1:28:16 PM UTC-5 fiddlosopher wrote: 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>>> The correct way to do the citation would be 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> [^4]: @KearneyIntroduction2006 [p. xvi]. 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> This ensures that citeproc can tell you've got a locator, and that 
>> it's 
>> >>>>> a page -- if you do this, all the punctuation will be correct (and 
>> don't 
>> >>>>> worry, the 'p.' won't show in the final result, since the style 
>> says not to 
>> >>>>> use it). 
>> >>>>> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 3:27:58 AM UTC-8 
>> >>>>> ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org wrote: 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>>> Thank you so very much! This .csl is exactly the style I was 
>> looking 
>> >>>>>> for. Many, many thanks for this! 
>> >>>>>> 
>> >>>>>> This still does not resolve the punctuation issue, especially with 
>> >>>>>> Book Sections and Journal Articles (i.e., perhaps anything with 
>> quotations 
>> >>>>>> marks). I will try to submit a bug report for this particular 
>> concern. 
>> >>>>>> 
>> >>>>>> Very thankful for all of your help here! 
>> >>>>>> 
>> >>>>>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 11:44:17 PM UTC-5 Denis Maier 
>> wrote: 
>> >>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>> Hi, I guess you're using the chicago-note-bibliography.csl style, 
>> >>>>>>> right? (I couldn't find a chicago-short-note.csl on the repo. 
>> Anyway, the 
>> >>>>>>> results you're getting may look odd to you, but this is exactly 
>> what is 
>> >>>>>>> requested by CMoS in its current iteration. They now want the 
>> author's name 
>> >>>>>>> only where they would have had "ibid." before. 
>> >>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>> It's quite easy to change this. This here ( 
>> >>>>>>> 
>> https://gist.github.com/denismaier/21168acf9e9287fc41f32c7351917111) 
>> >>>>>>> should do what you want. 
>> >>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>> Best, 
>> >>>>>>> Denis 
>> >>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>> Am 13.11.2020 um 03:46 schrieb Matthew Lynskey: 
>> >>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>> Thanks for the help. I will try to go and submit a bug report for 
>> >>>>>>> this. 
>> >>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>> Attached are 1) references from Zotero in Better BibTex, 2) the 
>> >>>>>>> "Test" md file, and 3) the Test.docx output. 
>> >>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>> In terms of the style issue regarding the lack of a title. I 
>> don't 
>> >>>>>>> understand code or .csl format and would not be able to tell if 
>> it is 
>> >>>>>>> reading the style correctly. If it is, this seems like an odd 
>> format as I 
>> >>>>>>> have not seen a short-subsequent style that left out the title 
>> and only had 
>> >>>>>>> author's name. If this is the case, do you have any insight into 
>> a .csl 
>> >>>>>>> style that would do short style every time? (see below for an 
>> example) 
>> >>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>> [1]: Kearney, “Introduction,” xvi. 
>> >>>>>>> [2]: Kearney, “Introduction,” 3. 
>> >>>>>>> [3]: Kearney, “Introduction,” 35. 
>> >>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>> I appreciate your help and guidance here. 
>> >>>>>>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 8:51:36 PM UTC-5 John 
>> MacFarlane 
>> >>>>>>> wrote: 
>> >>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>> It would help to have the bibtex bibliography entry you're using 
>> >>>>>>>> for the Kearney item, and the exact markdown citation you're 
>> >>>>>>>> using. 
>> >>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>> John MacFarlane <j...-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>> >>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>> > The second issue probably just reflects the style, which 
>> >>>>>>>> > can use a shortened form when the work has just been cited. 
>> >>>>>>>> > Do you have reason to believe pandoc is not following 
>> >>>>>>>> > the rules in the csl file? 
>> >>>>>>>> > 
>> >>>>>>>> > The first issue may be something we can improve. Why 
>> >>>>>>>> > don't you submit a bug report on our tracker, with 
>> >>>>>>>> > full information sufficient for reproducing it, so we 
>> >>>>>>>> > don't lose track? https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues 
>> >>>>>>>> > 
>> >>>>>>>> > Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>> >>>>>>>> > 
>> >>>>>>>> >> Alright. I am upgraded to version 2.11.1.1. Thanks for the 
>> help 
>> >>>>>>>> here. 
>> >>>>>>>> >> 
>> >>>>>>>> >> When I process the BibTex Key through Pandoc I end up with 
>> >>>>>>>> citations like 
>> >>>>>>>> >> below. The same issues as described above seem to be 
>> occurring. 
>> >>>>>>>> (Notice the *punctuation 
>> >>>>>>>> >> issue* [which seems to happen with journal articles/book 
>> sections 
>> >>>>>>>> that have 
>> >>>>>>>> >> quotation marks but works fairly good with books which get 
>> >>>>>>>> italicized] and 
>> >>>>>>>> >> also that the *second reference* does not produce the title 
>> only 
>> >>>>>>>> the 
>> >>>>>>>> >> author). 
>> >>>>>>>> >> 
>> >>>>>>>> >> [1] Kearney, “Introduction.”, xvi. 
>> >>>>>>>> >> [2] Kearney, 3. 
>> >>>>>>>> >> 
>> >>>>>>>> >> Any thoughts? 
>> >>>>>>>> >> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 7:05:26 PM UTC-5 
>> >>>>>>>> jmuc...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote: 
>> >>>>>>>> >> 
>> >>>>>>>> >>> "brew upgrade" should do it all by itself. Homebrew has 
>> version 
>> >>>>>>>> 2.11.1.1 
>> >>>>>>>> >>> as of my writing: 
>> >>>>>>>> >>> 
>> >>>>>>>> >>> 
>> >>>>>>>> >>> 
>> >>>>>>>> >>> On Thursday, 12 November 2020 at 18:01:10 UTC-5 
>> >>>>>>>> ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org 
>> >>>>>>>> >>> wrote: 
>> >>>>>>>> >>> 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>> Thanks for the advice here. 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>> 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>> I updated Pandoc via Terminal using *brew upgrade pandoc* 
>> but 
>> >>>>>>>> it only 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>> brought it to *pandoc 2.10.1*. Any advice on how to get it 
>> to 
>> >>>>>>>> pandoc 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>> 2.11.1.1? 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>> 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>> Again, I am a newbie here and would appreciate any 
>> guidance? 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>> 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>> Many thanks in advance! 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>> 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:55:00 PM UTC-5 John 
>> >>>>>>>> MacFarlane wrote: 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>> 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> Ah. Try getting the latest version of pandoc (2.11.1.1). 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> Citation support was completely overhauled in 2.11 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> (so the pandoc-citeproc filter is no longer necessary; 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> instead, you use the --citeproc option). It should 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> be much better in general, so see if you get the same 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> results with the latest pandoc. 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> > Thanks for the question. I checked this in terminal and 
>> this 
>> >>>>>>>> is what 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> the 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> > output is: 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> > 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> > pandoc 2.10.1 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> > 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> > Compiled with pandoc-types 1.21, texmath 0.12.0.2, 
>> >>>>>>>> skylighting 0.8.5 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> > 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> > Copyright (C) 2006-2020 John MacFarlane 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> > 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> > On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:10:28 PM UTC-5 John 
>> >>>>>>>> MacFarlane 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> wrote: 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> > 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> It's very important to know here what pandoc --version 
>> >>>>>>>> says. 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Hello. I am fairly new to Pandoc. I am seeking to use 
>> the 
>> >>>>>>>> Chicago 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> Short 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Note .csl from Zotero. I believe I have downloaded 
>> the 
>> >>>>>>>> most recent 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> version. 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > I am also using the BibTex citation key in a footnote 
>> of 
>> >>>>>>>> a Markdown 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> that 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > outputs to .docx. My goal is to process these through 
>> >>>>>>>> Pandoc. 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > When I use the .csl short note style and the citation 
>> key 
>> >>>>>>>> and 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> process it 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > through Pandoc (i.e., DocDown). I have two 
>> >>>>>>>> (interrelated?) issues 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> that 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> come 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > up. I am trying to resolve and would appreciate any 
>> help 
>> >>>>>>>> and 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> guidance. 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 1. *Punctuation*: My BibTex key for the following 
>> >>>>>>>> resource is 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > @KearneyIntroduction2006. This is a book section and 
>> when 
>> >>>>>>>> I write 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > @KearneyIntroduction2006, xvi the .csl file output 
>> comes 
>> >>>>>>>> out like 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> this: 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Kearney, “Introduction.”, xvi 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > I have added the comma but the period does not go 
>> away. 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> Interestingly, 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> when 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > I use a BibTex citation key for a book (an item that 
>> does 
>> >>>>>>>> not have 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > quotation marks in its output like a journal or book 
>> >>>>>>>> section), it 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> seems 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> to 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > work fine. For example, 
>> >>>>>>>> @Hubscher-DavidsonTranslation2017, 3-4 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> comes out 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > like Hubscher-Davidson, Translation and Emotion, 3-4. 
>> >>>>>>>> Notice that I 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> added 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > the comma and this time it removed (what I think 
>> would 
>> >>>>>>>> be) a 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> naturally 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > generated period by Zotero. 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 2. *Subsequent References*: Additionally, when I have 
>> two 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> references 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > following each other in sequence I get the following 
>> >>>>>>>> result. 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Hubscher-Davidson, *Translation and Emotion*, 3-4. 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Hubscher-Davidson, 7. 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > I do not want to use ibid style. 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > *Ideally, I would like the short note to reproduce 
>> the 
>> >>>>>>>> author and 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> short 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > title each time.* (i.e., I would like to produce 
>> >>>>>>>> Hubscher-Davidson, 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> *Translation 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > and Emotion* for all citations and then point this 
>> short 
>> >>>>>>>> reference 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> to my 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > bibliography.) 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Does anyone have any guidance on this issue(s)? 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Thank you for any guidance. This might be a basic 
>> >>>>>>>> question asked in 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > ignorance. I appreciate your help in guiding a novice 
>> >>>>>>>> along this 
>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> way. :) 
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@incollection{DimitrovaCognitive2016,
  title = {Cognitive Aspects of Community: Interpreting toward a Process Model},
  shorttitle = {Cognitive {{Aspects}}},
  booktitle = {Reembedding Translation Process Research},
  author = {Dimitrova, Birgitta Englund and Tiselius, Elisabet},
  editor = {Mu{\~n}oz Mart{\'i}n, Ricardo},
  year = {2016},
  pages = {107--130},
  publisher = {{John Benjamins Publishing Company}},
  address = {{Amsterdam}},
  abstract = {The present paper reports on an experiment to measure the impact of emotions and certain personality traits on translation performance. The study replicates Lehr's (2013) methodology, but also explores the influence of personality factors on the induced emotional impact. Unlike Lehr's study, our experiment focuses exclusively on translation students (Spanish L1/English as L2). A Spanish version of Block and Kremen's (1996) ego-resiliency scale (ER89) was first used to assess trait variation in the participants' psychological resilience. They were then asked to provide a translation of an emotional text, which was rated for accuracy and creativity. After having submitted their translation, they were randomly assigned to a positive or negative feedback group and received false feedback on their performance. Immediately afterwards they were asked to translate a second text, whose ratings for accuracy and creativity were compared to those from their first translation. A self-reporting questionnaire was finally carried out to obtain data on the participants' subjective feelings during experimental time. Results corroborate evidence from Lehr's work, pointing to a differential impact of emotions on different facets of translation performance and suggesting that different emotions may activate different processing styles. Although no statistically significant effect is found for resilient personality traits, data suggest they may also play a role in guiding translational behaviour.},
  file = {/Users/mattlynskey/Dropbox/Research Library/Book Section/Dimitrova, Birgitta Englund and Tiselius, Elisabet - 2016 - Cognitive aspects of community.pdf},
  language = {English},
  number = {128},
  series = {Benjamins Translation Library}
}

@article{RojoTranslation2015,
  title = {Translation Meets Cognitive Science: The Imprint of Translation on Cognitive Processing},
  shorttitle = {Translation {{Meets Cognitive Science}}},
  author = {Rojo, Ana},
  year = {2015},
  volume = {34},
  pages = {721--746},
  doi = {10.1515/multi-2014-0066},
  abstract = {Translation has long played a role in linguistic and literary studies research. More recently, the theoretical and methodological concerns of process research have given translation an additional role in cognitive science. The interest in the cognitive aspects of translation has led scholars to turn to disciplines such as cognitive linguistics, psycholinguistics or even neurology in search of innovative approaches and research methods. This paper reviews current issues in translation studies, and a variety of empirical studies that may contribute to enlarging our knowledge of translation. The intention is to show that the combined work of disciplines from cognitive science may be influential, not only in defining the factors that underpin the translation process and the translator's work, but also in describing the potential impact that translation research has on communication and language processing.},
  file = {/Users/mattlynskey/Dropbox/Research Library/Journal Article/Rojo, Ana - 2015 - Translation meets cognitive science.pdf},
  journal = {Multilingua},
  language = {en},
  number = {6}
}

@book{ShreveTranslation2010,
  title = {Translation and Cognition},
  shorttitle = {Translation and {{Cognition}}},
  editor = {Shreve, Gregory M. and Angelone, Erik},
  year = {2010},
  publisher = {{John Benjamins Publishing}},
  address = {{Amsterdam}},
  abstract = {"Translation and Cognition" assesses the state of the art in cognitive translation and interpreting studies by examining three important trends: methodological innovation, the evolution of research design, and the continuing integration of translation process research results with the core findings of the cognitive sciences. Several of the volume s essays focus on fruitful new process research methods, such as eye tracking and keystroke logging that have arisen to supplement the use of think-aloud protocols. Another set of contributions investigates how some central theories, concepts, and methods from our sister disciplines of psycholinguistics, cognitive psychology, and neuroscience can inform our understanding of translation processes and their development in novices and experts. Yet another set of essays argues that methodological innovation and integration with the cognitive sciences can lead to more robust research designs and theoretical frameworks to explain the intricacies of cognitive processing during translation and interpreting. Thus, this timely volume actively demonstrates that a new theoretical and methodological consensus in cognitive translation studies is emerging, promising to greatly improve the quality, verifiability, and generalizability of translation process research."},
  googlebooks = {xyITFYcVteoC},
  isbn = {978-90-272-3191-8},
  keywords = {Language Arts \& Disciplines / Translating \& Interpreting},
  language = {en},
  number = {15},
  series = {American Translators Association Scholarly Monograph Series}
}



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[^1]: This is a test of @DimitrovaCognitive2016 as a book section without page numbers.

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Have you tested with the latest version that has just been released? I think some of this should have been fixed.

Von: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> Im Auftrag von Matthew Lynskey
Gesendet: Freitag, 20. November 2020 01:48
An: pandoc-discuss <pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
Betreff: Re: Pandoc Citation Error with Zotero BibTex Key for Short Note

I also am having a similar issue. I was able to make the citekey work with page numbers, but when I tested this out the same problem occurred.

I have attached my .md file, .bib file, and .docx output below.

Notice that the issue does not seem to manifest with page numbers correctly notated (as delineated above). However, when a source/citekey is listed without page numbers issues occur. Also, interestingly, it seems to have issues with titles with quotation marks. Notice in my documents how there is no punctuation issue with the book with no page numbers but there is a punctuation issue with both the book section and journal article without page numbers.

I too am grateful for any help you can provide.

Many thanks in advance.
On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 6:00:06 PM UTC-5 Joshua wrote:
Sorry for underestimating what was needed! And thank you for taking the time to look.

Pandoc v2.11.1.1
CSL: chicago-note-bibliography.csl
Sample Input (Markdown):

Do plants perceive?^[On the subject of plant perception, see @runyonVolatileChemicalCues2006 and @gaglianoOutSightNot2012. To compare formatting for a book citation, see @TudgeTreeNaturalHistory2007. For a discussion of specifically optical perception in plants, see @baluskaVisionPlantsPlantSpecific2016.]
Sample Output (PDF):

[1] On the subject of plant perception, see Runyon, “Volatile Chemical Cues Guide Host Location and Host Selection by Parasitic Plants.” and Gagliano et al., “Out of Sight but Not Out of Mind.”. To compare formatting for a book citation, see Tudge, The Tree. For a discussion of specifically optical perception in plants, see Baluška and Mancuso, “Vision in Plants via Plant-Specific Ocelli?”.
Sample Bibliography (ExportedItems.bib):

@article{baluskaVisionPlantsPlantSpecific2016,
  title = {Vision in {{Plants}} via {{Plant}}-{{Specific Ocelli}}?},
  author = {Baluška, Frantisek and Mancuso, Stefano},
  date = {2016-09},
  journaltitle = {Trends in Plant Science},
  volume = {21},
  pages = {727--730},
  issn = {13601385},
  doi = {10/ghknts},
  url = {https://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S1360138516300930},
  urldate = {2020-11-19},
  langid = {english},
  number = {9}
}

@article{gaglianoOutSightNot2012,
  title = {Out of {{Sight}} but {{Not}} out of {{Mind}}: {{Alternative Means}} of {{Communication}} in {{Plants}}},
  shorttitle = {Out of {{Sight}} but {{Not}} out of {{Mind}}},
  author = {Gagliano, Monica and Renton, Michael and Duvdevani, Nili and Timmins, Matthew and Mancuso, Stefano},
  editor = {Moora, Mari},
  date = {2012-05-22},
  journaltitle = {PLoS ONE},
  volume = {7},
  pages = {e37382},
  issn = {1932-6203},
  doi = {10/f3zvbt},
  url = {https://dx.plos.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0037382},
  urldate = {2020-11-19},
  langid = {english},
  number = {5}
}

@article{runyonVolatileChemicalCues2006,
  title = {Volatile {{Chemical Cues Guide Host Location}} and {{Host Selection}} by {{Parasitic Plants}}},
  author = {Runyon, J. B.},
  date = {2006-09-29},
  journaltitle = {Science},
  volume = {313},
  pages = {1964--1967},
  issn = {0036-8075, 1095-9203},
  doi = {10/dj7dcx},
  url = {https://www.sciencemag.org/lookup/doi/10.1126/science.1131371},
  urldate = {2020-11-19},
  langid = {english},
  number = {5795}
}

@book{tudgeTreeNaturalHistory2007,
  title = {The {{Tree}}: {{A Natural History}} of {{What Trees Are}}, {{How They Live}}, and {{Why They Matter}}},
  shorttitle = {The {{Tree}}},
  author = {Tudge, Colin},
  date = {2007},
  publisher = {{Three Rivers Press}},
  location = {{New York}},
  isbn = {978-0-307-39539-9 0-307-39539-1},
  langid = {english}
}

On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 2:38:44 PM UTC-8 John MacFarlane wrote:

Very likely this is something we can improve, but we'd
need a complete recipe for reproducnig this: not
just the md input, but the bibliographic data and style
you used. (If it's user error, we could also determine
that from a complete example.)

Joshua <joshu...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org<mailto:joshu...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>> writes:

> I'd like to piggyback here. I have a similar problem, but without a locator
> (Pandoc v2.11.1.1).
>
> *Markdown input:*
>
> Do plants perceive?^[On the subject of plant perception, see
> @runyonVolatileChemicalCues2006 and @gaglianoOutSightNot2012. To compare
> formatting for a book citation, see @TudgeTreeNaturalHistory2007. For a
> discussion of specifically optical perception in plants, see
> @baluskaVisionPlantsPlantSpecific2016.]
>
> *Footnote output:*
>
> [1] On the subject of plant perception, see Runyon, “Volatile Chemical Cues
> Guide Host Location and Host Selection by Parasitic Plants.” and Gagliano
> et al., “Out of Sight but Not Out of Mind.”. To compare formatting for a
> book citation, see Tudge, *The Tree*. For a discussion of specifically
> optical perception in plants, see Baluška and Mancuso, “Vision in Plants
> via Plant-Specific Ocelli?”.
>
> So I'm getting a lot of rogue periods. I *assume* this is user error, but
> I've tried a bunch of things to no avail.
>
> Many thanks,
> Joshua
>
> On Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:50:02 AM UTC-8 ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOMXa4x6EXUF0@public.gmane.orgg<mailto:ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Pranesh,
>>
>> Thank you kindly for this additional clarification on citation formatting
>> for Pandoc. It is helpful to know this for in-line citations.
>>
>> Many thanks.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>> Matt
>>
>> On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 4:48:37 PM UTC-5 the.so...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org<mailto:the.so...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Matthew,
>>> I just wanted to note that, given you are using chicago-note-bibliography
>>> which uses footnotes, you can also achieve the same result by writing:
>>>
>>> ```
>>> Test [@KearneyIntroduction2006, p. xvi]
>>> ```
>>>
>>> instead of:
>>>
>>> ```
>>> Test [^4]
>>>
>>> [^4]: @KearneyIntroduction2006 [p. xvi]
>>> ```
>>>
>>> Pandoc with the help of the CSL will automatically convert that (inline)
>>> citation into a footnote. That makes writing the citations easier.
>>> Another benefit of doing that is that if you ever need to change the
>>> citations into an inline-citation style, then you won't need to go and
>>> remove all the footnote references: you would only need to change the CSL
>>> file.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Pranesh
>>> On Saturday, 14 November, 2020 at 1:34:35 am UTC+5:30
>>> ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org<mailto:ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes. This seems to work great. I gave it a shot on my end and it renders
>>>> it correctly. Many, many thanks for your help here!
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 1:28:16 PM UTC-5 fiddlosopher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The correct way to do the citation would be
>>>>>
>>>>> [^4]: @KearneyIntroduction2006 [p. xvi].
>>>>>
>>>>> This ensures that citeproc can tell you've got a locator, and that it's
>>>>> a page -- if you do this, all the punctuation will be correct (and don't
>>>>> worry, the 'p.' won't show in the final result, since the style says not to
>>>>> use it).
>>>>> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 3:27:58 AM UTC-8
>>>>> ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org<mailto:ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you so very much! This .csl is exactly the style I was looking
>>>>>> for. Many, many thanks for this!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This still does not resolve the punctuation issue, especially with
>>>>>> Book Sections and Journal Articles (i.e., perhaps anything with quotations
>>>>>> marks). I will try to submit a bug report for this particular concern.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Very thankful for all of your help here!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 11:44:17 PM UTC-5 Denis Maier wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi, I guess you're using the chicago-note-bibliography.csl style,
>>>>>>> right? (I couldn't find a chicago-short-note.csl on the repo. Anyway, the
>>>>>>> results you're getting may look odd to you, but this is exactly what is
>>>>>>> requested by CMoS in its current iteration. They now want the author's name
>>>>>>> only where they would have had "ibid." before.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's quite easy to change this. This here (
>>>>>>> https://gist.github.com/denismaier/21168acf9e9287fc41f32c7351917111)
>>>>>>> should do what you want.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>> Denis
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 13.11.2020 um 03:46 schrieb Matthew Lynskey:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for the help. I will try to go and submit a bug report for
>>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Attached are 1) references from Zotero in Better BibTex, 2) the
>>>>>>> "Test" md file, and 3) the Test.docx output.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In terms of the style issue regarding the lack of a title. I don't
>>>>>>> understand code or .csl format and would not be able to tell if it is
>>>>>>> reading the style correctly. If it is, this seems like an odd format as I
>>>>>>> have not seen a short-subsequent style that left out the title and only had
>>>>>>> author's name. If this is the case, do you have any insight into a .csl
>>>>>>> style that would do short style every time? (see below for an example)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1]: Kearney, “Introduction,” xvi.
>>>>>>> [2]: Kearney, “Introduction,” 3.
>>>>>>> [3]: Kearney, “Introduction,” 35.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I appreciate your help and guidance here.
>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 8:51:36 PM UTC-5 John MacFarlane
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It would help to have the bibtex bibliography entry you're using
>>>>>>>> for the Kearney item, and the exact markdown citation you're
>>>>>>>> using.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John MacFarlane <j...-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org<mailto:j...-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org>> writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > The second issue probably just reflects the style, which
>>>>>>>> > can use a shortened form when the work has just been cited.
>>>>>>>> > Do you have reason to believe pandoc is not following
>>>>>>>> > the rules in the csl file?
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > The first issue may be something we can improve. Why
>>>>>>>> > don't you submit a bug report on our tracker, with
>>>>>>>> > full information sufficient for reproducing it, so we
>>>>>>>> > don't lose track? https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org<mailto:ma...@noblecollective.org>> writes:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >> Alright. I am upgraded to version 2.11.1.1. Thanks for the help
>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> When I process the BibTex Key through Pandoc I end up with
>>>>>>>> citations like
>>>>>>>> >> below. The same issues as described above seem to be occurring.
>>>>>>>> (Notice the *punctuation
>>>>>>>> >> issue* [which seems to happen with journal articles/book sections
>>>>>>>> that have
>>>>>>>> >> quotation marks but works fairly good with books which get
>>>>>>>> italicized] and
>>>>>>>> >> also that the *second reference* does not produce the title only
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> >> author).
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> [1] Kearney, “Introduction.”, xvi.
>>>>>>>> >> [2] Kearney, 3.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Any thoughts?
>>>>>>>> >> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 7:05:26 PM UTC-5
>>>>>>>> jmuc...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org<mailto:jmuc...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>> "brew upgrade" should do it all by itself. Homebrew has version
>>>>>>>> 2.11.1.1
>>>>>>>> >>> as of my writing:
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> On Thursday, 12 November 2020 at 18:01:10 UTC-5
>>>>>>>> ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org<mailto:ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
>>>>>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>>> Thanks for the advice here.
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>> I updated Pandoc via Terminal using *brew upgrade pandoc* but
>>>>>>>> it only
>>>>>>>> >>>> brought it to *pandoc 2.10.1*. Any advice on how to get it to
>>>>>>>> pandoc
>>>>>>>> >>>> 2.11.1.1?
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>> Again, I am a newbie here and would appreciate any guidance?
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>> Many thanks in advance!
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:55:00 PM UTC-5 John
>>>>>>>> MacFarlane wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>> Ah. Try getting the latest version of pandoc (2.11.1.1).
>>>>>>>> >>>>> Citation support was completely overhauled in 2.11
>>>>>>>> >>>>> (so the pandoc-citeproc filter is no longer necessary;
>>>>>>>> >>>>> instead, you use the --citeproc option). It should
>>>>>>>> >>>>> be much better in general, so see if you get the same
>>>>>>>> >>>>> results with the latest pandoc.
>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>> Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org<mailto:ma...@noblecollective.org>> writes:
>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>> > Thanks for the question. I checked this in terminal and this
>>>>>>>> is what
>>>>>>>> >>>>> the
>>>>>>>> >>>>> > output is:
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>>> > pandoc 2.10.1
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>>> > Compiled with pandoc-types 1.21, texmath 0.12.0.2,
>>>>>>>> skylighting 0.8.5
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>>> > Copyright (C) 2006-2020 John MacFarlane
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>>> > On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:10:28 PM UTC-5 John
>>>>>>>> MacFarlane
>>>>>>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> It's very important to know here what pandoc --version
>>>>>>>> says.
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org<mailto:ma...@noblecollective.org>> writes:
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Hello. I am fairly new to Pandoc. I am seeking to use the
>>>>>>>> Chicago
>>>>>>>> >>>>> Short
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Note .csl from Zotero. I believe I have downloaded the
>>>>>>>> most recent
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> version.
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > I am also using the BibTex citation key in a footnote of
>>>>>>>> a Markdown
>>>>>>>> >>>>> that
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > outputs to .docx. My goal is to process these through
>>>>>>>> Pandoc.
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > When I use the .csl short note style and the citation key
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> >>>>> process it
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > through Pandoc (i.e., DocDown). I have two
>>>>>>>> (interrelated?) issues
>>>>>>>> >>>>> that
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> come
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > up. I am trying to resolve and would appreciate any help
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> >>>>> guidance.
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 1. *Punctuation*: My BibTex key for the following
>>>>>>>> resource is
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > @KearneyIntroduction2006. This is a book section and when
>>>>>>>> I write
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > @KearneyIntroduction2006, xvi the .csl file output comes
>>>>>>>> out like
>>>>>>>> >>>>> this:
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Kearney, “Introduction.”, xvi
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > I have added the comma but the period does not go away.
>>>>>>>> >>>>> Interestingly,
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> when
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > I use a BibTex citation key for a book (an item that does
>>>>>>>> not have
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > quotation marks in its output like a journal or book
>>>>>>>> section), it
>>>>>>>> >>>>> seems
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> to
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > work fine. For example,
>>>>>>>> @Hubscher-DavidsonTranslation2017, 3-4
>>>>>>>> >>>>> comes out
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > like Hubscher-Davidson, Translation and Emotion, 3-4.
>>>>>>>> Notice that I
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> added
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > the comma and this time it removed (what I think would
>>>>>>>> be) a
>>>>>>>> >>>>> naturally
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > generated period by Zotero.
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 2. *Subsequent References*: Additionally, when I have two
>>>>>>>> >>>>> references
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > following each other in sequence I get the following
>>>>>>>> result.
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Hubscher-Davidson, *Translation and Emotion*, 3-4.
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Hubscher-Davidson, 7.
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > I do not want to use ibid style.
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > *Ideally, I would like the short note to reproduce the
>>>>>>>> author and
>>>>>>>> >>>>> short
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > title each time.* (i.e., I would like to produce
>>>>>>>> Hubscher-Davidson,
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> *Translation
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > and Emotion* for all citations and then point this short
>>>>>>>> reference
>>>>>>>> >>>>> to my
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > bibliography.)
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Does anyone have any guidance on this issue(s)?
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Thank you for any guidance. This might be a basic
>>>>>>>> question asked in
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > ignorance. I appreciate your help in guiding a novice
>>>>>>>> along this
>>>>>>>> >>>>> way. :)
>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> >
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Re: Pandoc Citation Error with Zotero BibTex Key for Short Note

[Matthew Lynskey]

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I have just updated to Pandoc 2.11.2 and the same problem persists.

On Friday, November 20, 2020 at 3:52:34 AM UTC-5 denis...-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org wrote:

> Have you tested with the latest version that has just been released? I 
> think some of this should have been fixed.
>
>  
>
> *Von:* pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> *Im 
> Auftrag von *Matthew Lynskey
> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 20. November 2020 01:48
> *An:* pandoc-discuss <pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
> *Betreff:* Re: Pandoc Citation Error with Zotero BibTex Key for Short Note
>
>  
>
> I also am having a similar issue. I was able to make the citekey work with 
> page numbers, but when I tested this out the same problem occurred. 
>
>  
>
> I have attached my .md file, .bib file, and .docx output below.
>
>  
>
> Notice that the issue does not seem to manifest with page numbers 
> correctly notated (as delineated above). However, when a source/citekey is 
> listed *without page numbers* issues occur. Also, interestingly, it seems 
> to have issues with *titles with quotation marks*. Notice in my documents 
> how there is no punctuation issue with the book with no page numbers but 
> there is a punctuation issue with both the *book section* and *journal 
> article* without page numbers.
>
>  
>
> I too am grateful for any help you can provide. 
>
>  
>
> Many thanks in advance.
>
> On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 6:00:06 PM UTC-5 Joshua wrote:
>
> Sorry for underestimating what was needed! And thank you for taking the 
> time to look.
>
>  
>
> Pandoc v2.11.1.1
>
> CSL: chicago-note-bibliography.csl
>
> Sample Input (Markdown):
>
> Do plants perceive?^[On the subject of plant perception, see 
> @runyonVolatileChemicalCues2006 and @gaglianoOutSightNot2012. To compare 
> formatting for a book citation, see @TudgeTreeNaturalHistory2007. For a 
> discussion of specifically optical perception in plants, see 
> @baluskaVisionPlantsPlantSpecific2016.]
>
> Sample Output (PDF):
>
> [1] On the subject of plant perception, see Runyon, “Volatile Chemical 
> Cues Guide Host Location and Host Selection by Parasitic Plants.” and 
> Gagliano et al., “Out of Sight but Not Out of Mind.”. To compare formatting 
> for a book citation, see Tudge, *The Tree*. For a discussion of 
> specifically optical perception in plants, see Baluška and Mancuso, “Vision 
> in Plants via Plant-Specific Ocelli?”.
>
> Sample Bibliography (ExportedItems.bib):
>
>  
>
> @article{baluskaVisionPlantsPlantSpecific2016,
>   title = {Vision in {{Plants}} via {{Plant}}-{{Specific Ocelli}}?},
>   author = {Baluška, Frantisek and Mancuso, Stefano},
>   date = {2016-09},
>   journaltitle = {Trends in Plant Science},
>   volume = {21},
>   pages = {727--730},
>   issn = {13601385},
>   doi = {10/ghknts},
>   url = {https://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S1360138516300930},
>   urldate = {2020-11-19},
>   langid = {english},
>   number = {9}
> }
>
> @article{gaglianoOutSightNot2012,
>   title = {Out of {{Sight}} but {{Not}} out of {{Mind}}: {{Alternative 
> Means}} of {{Communication}} in {{Plants}}},
>   shorttitle = {Out of {{Sight}} but {{Not}} out of {{Mind}}},
>   author = {Gagliano, Monica and Renton, Michael and Duvdevani, Nili and 
> Timmins, Matthew and Mancuso, Stefano},
>   editor = {Moora, Mari},
>   date = {2012-05-22},
>   journaltitle = {PLoS ONE},
>   volume = {7},
>   pages = {e37382},
>   issn = {1932-6203},
>   doi = {10/f3zvbt},
>   url = {https://dx.plos.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0037382},
>   urldate = {2020-11-19},
>   langid = {english},
>   number = {5}
> }
>
> @article{runyonVolatileChemicalCues2006,
>   title = {Volatile {{Chemical Cues Guide Host Location}} and {{Host 
> Selection}} by {{Parasitic Plants}}},
>   author = {Runyon, J. B.},
>   date = {2006-09-29},
>   journaltitle = {Science},
>   volume = {313},
>   pages = {1964--1967},
>   issn = {0036-8075, 1095-9203},
>   doi = {10/dj7dcx},
>   url = {https://www.sciencemag.org/lookup/doi/10.1126/science.1131371},
>   urldate = {2020-11-19},
>   langid = {english},
>   number = {5795}
> }
>
> @book{tudgeTreeNaturalHistory2007,
>   title = {The {{Tree}}: {{A Natural History}} of {{What Trees Are}}, 
> {{How They Live}}, and {{Why They Matter}}},
>   shorttitle = {The {{Tree}}},
>   author = {Tudge, Colin},
>   date = {2007},
>   publisher = {{Three Rivers Press}},
>   location = {{New York}},
>   isbn = {978-0-307-39539-9 0-307-39539-1},
>   langid = {english}
> }
>
>  
>
> On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 2:38:44 PM UTC-8 John MacFarlane wrote:
>
>
> Very likely this is something we can improve, but we'd 
> need a complete recipe for reproducnig this: not 
> just the md input, but the bibliographic data and style 
> you used. (If it's user error, we could also determine 
> that from a complete example.) 
>
> Joshua <joshu...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes: 
>
> > I'd like to piggyback here. I have a similar problem, but without a 
> locator 
> > (Pandoc v2.11.1.1). 
> > 
> > *Markdown input:* 
> > 
> > Do plants perceive?^[On the subject of plant perception, see 
> > @runyonVolatileChemicalCues2006 and @gaglianoOutSightNot2012. To compare 
> > formatting for a book citation, see @TudgeTreeNaturalHistory2007. For a 
> > discussion of specifically optical perception in plants, see 
> > @baluskaVisionPlantsPlantSpecific2016.] 
> > 
> > *Footnote output:* 
> > 
> > [1] On the subject of plant perception, see Runyon, “Volatile Chemical 
> Cues 
> > Guide Host Location and Host Selection by Parasitic Plants.” and 
> Gagliano 
> > et al., “Out of Sight but Not Out of Mind.”. To compare formatting for a 
> > book citation, see Tudge, *The Tree*. For a discussion of specifically 
> > optical perception in plants, see Baluška and Mancuso, “Vision in Plants 
> > via Plant-Specific Ocelli?”. 
> > 
> > So I'm getting a lot of rogue periods. I *assume* this is user error, 
> but 
> > I've tried a bunch of things to no avail. 
> > 
> > Many thanks, 
> > Joshua 
> > 
> > On Monday, November 16, 2020 at 6:50:02 AM UTC-8 
> ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org 
> > wrote: 
> > 
> >> Pranesh, 
> >> 
> >> Thank you kindly for this additional clarification on citation 
> formatting 
> >> for Pandoc. It is helpful to know this for in-line citations. 
> >> 
> >> Many thanks. 
> >> 
> >> Kind Regards, 
> >> Matt 
> >> 
> >> On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 4:48:37 PM UTC-5 the.so...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org 
> >> wrote: 
> >> 
> >>> Dear Matthew, 
> >>> I just wanted to note that, given you are using 
> chicago-note-bibliography 
> >>> which uses footnotes, you can also achieve the same result by writing: 
> >>> 
> >>> ``` 
> >>> Test [@KearneyIntroduction2006, p. xvi] 
> >>> ``` 
> >>> 
> >>> instead of: 
> >>> 
> >>> ``` 
> >>> Test [^4] 
> >>> 
> >>> [^4]: @KearneyIntroduction2006 [p. xvi] 
> >>> ``` 
> >>> 
> >>> Pandoc with the help of the CSL will automatically convert that 
> (inline) 
> >>> citation into a footnote. That makes writing the citations easier. 
> >>> Another benefit of doing that is that if you ever need to change the 
> >>> citations into an inline-citation style, then you won't need to go and 
> >>> remove all the footnote references: you would only need to change the 
> CSL 
> >>> file. 
> >>> 
> >>> Regards, 
> >>> Pranesh 
> >>> On Saturday, 14 November, 2020 at 1:34:35 am UTC+5:30 
> >>> ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org wrote: 
> >>> 
> >>>> Yes. This seems to work great. I gave it a shot on my end and it 
> renders 
> >>>> it correctly. Many, many thanks for your help here! 
> >>>> 
> >>>> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 1:28:16 PM UTC-5 fiddlosopher wrote: 
> >>>> 
> >>>>> The correct way to do the citation would be 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> [^4]: @KearneyIntroduction2006 [p. xvi]. 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> This ensures that citeproc can tell you've got a locator, and that 
> it's 
> >>>>> a page -- if you do this, all the punctuation will be correct (and 
> don't 
> >>>>> worry, the 'p.' won't show in the final result, since the style says 
> not to 
> >>>>> use it). 
> >>>>> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 3:27:58 AM UTC-8 
> >>>>> ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org wrote: 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>> Thank you so very much! This .csl is exactly the style I was 
> looking 
> >>>>>> for. Many, many thanks for this! 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> This still does not resolve the punctuation issue, especially with 
> >>>>>> Book Sections and Journal Articles (i.e., perhaps anything with 
> quotations 
> >>>>>> marks). I will try to submit a bug report for this particular 
> concern. 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Very thankful for all of your help here! 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 11:44:17 PM UTC-5 Denis Maier 
> wrote: 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Hi, I guess you're using the chicago-note-bibliography.csl style, 
> >>>>>>> right? (I couldn't find a chicago-short-note.csl on the repo. 
> Anyway, the 
> >>>>>>> results you're getting may look odd to you, but this is exactly 
> what is 
> >>>>>>> requested by CMoS in its current iteration. They now want the 
> author's name 
> >>>>>>> only where they would have had "ibid." before. 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> It's quite easy to change this. This here ( 
> >>>>>>> 
> https://gist.github.com/denismaier/21168acf9e9287fc41f32c7351917111) 
> >>>>>>> should do what you want. 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Best, 
> >>>>>>> Denis 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Am 13.11.2020 um 03:46 schrieb Matthew Lynskey: 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Thanks for the help. I will try to go and submit a bug report for 
> >>>>>>> this. 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Attached are 1) references from Zotero in Better BibTex, 2) the 
> >>>>>>> "Test" md file, and 3) the Test.docx output. 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> In terms of the style issue regarding the lack of a title. I don't 
> >>>>>>> understand code or .csl format and would not be able to tell if it 
> is 
> >>>>>>> reading the style correctly. If it is, this seems like an odd 
> format as I 
> >>>>>>> have not seen a short-subsequent style that left out the title and 
> only had 
> >>>>>>> author's name. If this is the case, do you have any insight into a 
> .csl 
> >>>>>>> style that would do short style every time? (see below for an 
> example) 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> [1]: Kearney, “Introduction,” xvi. 
> >>>>>>> [2]: Kearney, “Introduction,” 3. 
> >>>>>>> [3]: Kearney, “Introduction,” 35. 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> I appreciate your help and guidance here. 
> >>>>>>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 8:51:36 PM UTC-5 John MacFarlane 
> >>>>>>> wrote: 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> It would help to have the bibtex bibliography entry you're using 
> >>>>>>>> for the Kearney item, and the exact markdown citation you're 
> >>>>>>>> using. 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> John MacFarlane <j...-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> writes: 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> > The second issue probably just reflects the style, which 
> >>>>>>>> > can use a shortened form when the work has just been cited. 
> >>>>>>>> > Do you have reason to believe pandoc is not following 
> >>>>>>>> > the rules in the csl file? 
> >>>>>>>> > 
> >>>>>>>> > The first issue may be something we can improve. Why 
> >>>>>>>> > don't you submit a bug report on our tracker, with 
> >>>>>>>> > full information sufficient for reproducing it, so we 
> >>>>>>>> > don't lose track? https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues 
> >>>>>>>> > 
> >>>>>>>> > Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
> >>>>>>>> > 
> >>>>>>>> >> Alright. I am upgraded to version 2.11.1.1. Thanks for the 
> help 
> >>>>>>>> here. 
> >>>>>>>> >> 
> >>>>>>>> >> When I process the BibTex Key through Pandoc I end up with 
> >>>>>>>> citations like 
> >>>>>>>> >> below. The same issues as described above seem to be 
> occurring. 
> >>>>>>>> (Notice the *punctuation 
> >>>>>>>> >> issue* [which seems to happen with journal articles/book 
> sections 
> >>>>>>>> that have 
> >>>>>>>> >> quotation marks but works fairly good with books which get 
> >>>>>>>> italicized] and 
> >>>>>>>> >> also that the *second reference* does not produce the title 
> only 
> >>>>>>>> the 
> >>>>>>>> >> author). 
> >>>>>>>> >> 
> >>>>>>>> >> [1] Kearney, “Introduction.”, xvi. 
> >>>>>>>> >> [2] Kearney, 3. 
> >>>>>>>> >> 
> >>>>>>>> >> Any thoughts? 
> >>>>>>>> >> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 7:05:26 PM UTC-5 
> >>>>>>>> jmuc...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote: 
> >>>>>>>> >> 
> >>>>>>>> >>> "brew upgrade" should do it all by itself. Homebrew has 
> version 
> >>>>>>>> 2.11.1.1 
> >>>>>>>> >>> as of my writing: 
> >>>>>>>> >>> 
> >>>>>>>> >>> 
> >>>>>>>> >>> 
> >>>>>>>> >>> On Thursday, 12 November 2020 at 18:01:10 UTC-5 
> >>>>>>>> ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org 
> >>>>>>>> >>> wrote: 
> >>>>>>>> >>> 
> >>>>>>>> >>>> Thanks for the advice here. 
> >>>>>>>> >>>> 
> >>>>>>>> >>>> I updated Pandoc via Terminal using *brew upgrade pandoc* 
> but 
> >>>>>>>> it only 
> >>>>>>>> >>>> brought it to *pandoc 2.10.1*. Any advice on how to get it 
> to 
> >>>>>>>> pandoc 
> >>>>>>>> >>>> 2.11.1.1? 
> >>>>>>>> >>>> 
> >>>>>>>> >>>> Again, I am a newbie here and would appreciate any guidance? 
> >>>>>>>> >>>> 
> >>>>>>>> >>>> Many thanks in advance! 
> >>>>>>>> >>>> 
> >>>>>>>> >>>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:55:00 PM UTC-5 John 
> >>>>>>>> MacFarlane wrote: 
> >>>>>>>> >>>> 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> Ah. Try getting the latest version of pandoc (2.11.1.1). 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> Citation support was completely overhauled in 2.11 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> (so the pandoc-citeproc filter is no longer necessary; 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> instead, you use the --citeproc option). It should 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> be much better in general, so see if you get the same 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> results with the latest pandoc. 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> > Thanks for the question. I checked this in terminal and 
> this 
> >>>>>>>> is what 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> the 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> > output is: 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> > 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> > pandoc 2.10.1 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> > 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> > Compiled with pandoc-types 1.21, texmath 0.12.0.2, 
> >>>>>>>> skylighting 0.8.5 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> > 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> > Copyright (C) 2006-2020 John MacFarlane 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> > 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> > On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:10:28 PM UTC-5 John 
> >>>>>>>> MacFarlane 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> wrote: 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> > 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> It's very important to know here what pandoc --version 
> >>>>>>>> says. 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> Matthew Lynskey <ma...-99kdpPDHh7+H5jm5YRNtOEB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> writes: 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Hello. I am fairly new to Pandoc. I am seeking to use 
> the 
> >>>>>>>> Chicago 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> Short 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Note .csl from Zotero. I believe I have downloaded the 
> >>>>>>>> most recent 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> version. 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > I am also using the BibTex citation key in a footnote 
> of 
> >>>>>>>> a Markdown 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> that 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > outputs to .docx. My goal is to process these through 
> >>>>>>>> Pandoc. 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > When I use the .csl short note style and the citation 
> key 
> >>>>>>>> and 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> process it 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > through Pandoc (i.e., DocDown). I have two 
> >>>>>>>> (interrelated?) issues 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> that 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> come 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > up. I am trying to resolve and would appreciate any 
> help 
> >>>>>>>> and 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> guidance. 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 1. *Punctuation*: My BibTex key for the following 
> >>>>>>>> resource is 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > @KearneyIntroduction2006. This is a book section and 
> when 
> >>>>>>>> I write 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > @KearneyIntroduction2006, xvi the .csl file output 
> comes 
> >>>>>>>> out like 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> this: 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Kearney, “Introduction.”, xvi 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > I have added the comma but the period does not go 
> away. 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> Interestingly, 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> when 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > I use a BibTex citation key for a book (an item that 
> does 
> >>>>>>>> not have 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > quotation marks in its output like a journal or book 
> >>>>>>>> section), it 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> seems 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> to 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > work fine. For example, 
> >>>>>>>> @Hubscher-DavidsonTranslation2017, 3-4 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> comes out 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > like Hubscher-Davidson, Translation and Emotion, 3-4. 
> >>>>>>>> Notice that I 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> added 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > the comma and this time it removed (what I think would 
> >>>>>>>> be) a 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> naturally 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > generated period by Zotero. 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 2. *Subsequent References*: Additionally, when I have 
> two 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> references 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > following each other in sequence I get the following 
> >>>>>>>> result. 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Hubscher-Davidson, *Translation and Emotion*, 3-4. 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Hubscher-Davidson, 7. 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > I do not want to use ibid style. 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > *Ideally, I would like the short note to reproduce the 
> >>>>>>>> author and 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> short 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > title each time.* (i.e., I would like to produce 
> >>>>>>>> Hubscher-Davidson, 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> *Translation 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > and Emotion* for all citations and then point this 
> short 
> >>>>>>>> reference 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> to my 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > bibliography.) 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Does anyone have any guidance on this issue(s)? 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > Thank you for any guidance. This might be a basic 
> >>>>>>>> question asked in 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > ignorance. I appreciate your help in guiding a novice 
> >>>>>>>> along this 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>> way. :) 
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Re: Pandoc Citation Error with Zotero BibTex Key for Short Note

[Joseph Reagle]

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Using your input files, my output looks substantively different that yours...?

```
> pandoc -v
pandoc 2.11.2
Compiled with pandoc-types 1.22, texmath 0.12.0.3, skylighting 0.10.0.3,
citeproc 0.2, ipynb 0.1.0.1
User data directory: /Users/reagle/.local/share/pandoc or /Users/reagle/.pandoc
Copyright (C) 2006-2020 John MacFarlane. Web:  https://pandoc.org
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is no
warranty, not even for merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose.
> pandoc testfile.md --bibliography Exported\ Items.bib --citeproc --csl chicago-note-bibliography.csl -o testfile-r.docx
```

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Re: Pandoc Citation Error with Zotero BibTex Key for Short Note

[Matthew Lynskey]

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Joseph, 

Thanks for the note.

It looks like you are using a different chicago-note-bibliography.csl. I 
had problems with this one earlier. I has switched (see the thread above) 
to *chicago-note-bibliography-always-short.csl* (see here: 
https://gist.github.com/denismaier/21168acf9e9287fc41f32c7351917111) to get 
a format that always produces the short note. With this .csl, the 
punctuation seemed to work with page numbers added, but as Joshua observed, 
there are punctuation issues without page numbers.

I wonder what your results are with the 
chicago-note-bibliography-always-short.csl.

Many thanks for your help here.

Best,
Matt
On Friday, November 20, 2020 at 8:45:05 AM UTC-5 Joseph wrote:

> Using your input files, my output looks substantively different that 
> yours...?
>
> ```
> > pandoc -v
> pandoc 2.11.2
> Compiled with pandoc-types 1.22, texmath 0.12.0.3, skylighting 0.10.0.3,
> citeproc 0.2, ipynb 0.1.0.1
> User data directory: /Users/reagle/.local/share/pandoc or 
> /Users/reagle/.pandoc
> Copyright (C) 2006-2020 John MacFarlane. Web: https://pandoc.org
> This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is no
> warranty, not even for merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose.
> > pandoc testfile.md --bibliography Exported\ Items.bib --citeproc --csl 
> chicago-note-bibliography.csl -o testfile-r.docx
> ```
>
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Re: Pandoc Citation Error with Zotero BibTex Key for Short Note

[Joseph Reagle]

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I grabbed "always-short" in the gist and got the attached, which does not have the period problem yours had.

```
> pandoc -v; pandoc testfile.md --bibliography Exported\ Items.bib --citeproc --csl chicago-note-bibliography-always-short.csl  -o testfile-r1.docx
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Re: Pandoc Citation Error with Zotero BibTex Key for Short Note

[Matthew Lynskey]

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Joseph,

Thanks for testing this out. Does anyone have any insight into 
this...either my files or the ones from Joshua above? Or, any ideas on how 
to troubleshoot this?

I appreciate any guidance here.

Best,
Matt

On Friday, November 20, 2020 at 11:48:50 AM UTC-5 Joseph wrote:

>
> I grabbed "always-short" in the gist and got the attached, which does not 
> have the period problem yours had.
>
> ```
> > pandoc -v; pandoc testfile.md --bibliography Exported\ Items.bib 
> --citeproc --csl chicago-note-bibliography-always-short.csl -o 
> testfile-r1.docx
> ```
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