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[165.212.64.31]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h4-20020a25d004000000b00ba7249f1c3csi456365ybg.3.2023.06.09.16.50.50 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 09 Jun 2023 16:50:50 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of dstaal-Jdbf3xiKgS8@public.gmane.org designates 165.212.64.31 as permitted sender) client-ip=165.212.64.31; Original-Received: from co01.mbox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by co01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QdHs61rKBz1NShpn for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2023 23:50:50 +0000 (UTC) X-USANET-Received: from co01.mbox.net [127.0.0.1] by co01.mbox.net via mtad (C8.MAIN.4.26U) with ESMTP id 676bFiXYS4400M01; Fri, 09 Jun 2023 23:50:44 -0000 X-USANET-Routed: 3 gwsout-vs Q:cmvirus X-USANET-Routed: 3 gwsout-vs Q:cmvirus X-USANET-GWS2-Tenant: usa.net X-USANET-GWS2-Tagid: UNKN Original-Received: from ca31.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.131] by co01.mbox.net via smtad (GIT.BUILD.5.0.3124) with ESMTP id XID668bFiXYS3361X01; Fri, 09 Jun 2023 23:50:44 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.131 OUT DStaal-Jdbf3xiKgS8@public.gmane.org ca31.cms.usa.net CLR X-USANET-MsgId: XID668bFiXYS3361X01 Original-Received: from [192.168.1.27] [71.191.170.84] by ca31.cms.usa.net (ESMTPSA/dstaal-Jdbf3xiKgS8@public.gmane.org) via mtad (GIT.BUILD.5.0.3133) with ESMTPSA id 071bFiXYS8608M31 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256); Fri, 09 Jun 2023 23:50:44 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 71.191.170.84 AUTH dstaal-Jdbf3xiKgS8@public.gmane.org [192.168.1.27] TLS Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <947553D1-2D58-4BDA-AE1F-27DDE27029C5-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> Z-USANET-MsgId: XID071bFiXYS8608X31 X-Original-Sender: DStaal-Jdbf3xiKgS8@public.gmane.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of dstaal-Jdbf3xiKgS8@public.gmane.org designates 165.212.64.31 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=DStaal-Jdbf3xiKgS8@public.gmane.org; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=usa.net Precedence: list Mailing-list: list pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org; contact pandoc-discuss+owners-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1007024079513 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.text.pandoc:32986 On 6/9/23 5:33 PM, John MacFarlane wrote: > It depends what you mean by "just fine." Embedded HTML is perfectly fine in Textile, and in this case it is needed in order to preserve the semantic information about column widths. (Btw, can't see these links - it says the file is in owner's trash.) As someone else who occasinally gets bit by this: I think the main issue really is that the Markdown reader often seems to assume column widths that I didn't actually mean. Especially if I do something like hand-write a table, use Pandoc to format it, and then edit it, if I then format it to Textile I'll be surprised that there's widths assigned. Pipe tables are particularly prone to it, as the 'nice' way to write them is to have the header seperator line match the widths of the headers (or the width of the longest element in the column) - but that implies widths, when really all I'm normally looking for is the column boundries to match up in my text. And if it's then going into Redmine (which is my common usecase for this conversion as well), then converting to embedded HTML makes it look ugly and be hard to edit further in the wiki. Not sure what the correct response is, really. Since the real issue is that I'm effectively trying to use a subset of the full syntax. Daniel T. Staal -- --------------------------------------------------------------- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. ---------------------------------------------------------------