Textile document looks bad in RedMine, Pandoc 3.1.3 for Win

Textile document looks bad in RedMine, Pandoc 3.1.3 for Win

[Tatiana Kallaur]

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Hey, guys!

Textile document looks bad in RedMine, Pandoc 3.1.3 for Win 

The formatting command works ok, the file is saved in textile format, but 
the content in the file looks as html 

Also, when I copy/paste the content to redmine - it looks as html

What can it be?

Thank you in advance.

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Re: Textile document looks bad in RedMine, Pandoc 3.1.3 for Win

[BP Jonsson]

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Have you used the -t textile command line option? Pandoc outputs html by
default. Sometimes it can guess the input and output formats from the file
extensions (if you have specified an output file name) but in principle you
have to use the -f INPUTFORMAT and -t OUTPUTFORMAT (with the capitalized
words replaced with actual format names). The default for input format is
markdown.

Den ons 7 juni 2023 16:18Tatiana Kallaur <t.kallaur-/x1ayaorDlXIb2jZbfQ/kQ@public.gmane.org> skrev:

> Hey, guys!
>
> Textile document looks bad in RedMine, Pandoc 3.1.3 for Win
>
> The formatting command works ok, the file is saved in textile format, but
> the content in the file looks as html
>
> Also, when I copy/paste the content to redmine - it looks as html
>
> What can it be?
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
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Re: Textile document looks bad in RedMine, Pandoc 3.1.3 for Win

[Tatiana Kallaur]

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>
> Have you used the -t textile command line option?


Yes, sure, that is why I'm at a loss... my command is *-f docx -t textile
-s -o name.textile*

Any guesses what can be the problem?


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On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 6:24 PM BP Jonsson <bpjonsson-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> Have you used the -t textile command line option? Pandoc outputs html by
> default. Sometimes it can guess the input and output formats from the file
> extensions (if you have specified an output file name) but in principle you
> have to use the -f INPUTFORMAT and -t OUTPUTFORMAT (with the capitalized
> words replaced with actual format names). The default for input format is
> markdown.
>
> Den ons 7 juni 2023 16:18Tatiana Kallaur <t.kallaur-/x1ayaorDlXIb2jZbfQ/kQ@public.gmane.org>
> skrev:
>
>> Hey, guys!
>>
>> Textile document looks bad in RedMine, Pandoc 3.1.3 for Win
>>
>> The formatting command works ok, the file is saved in textile format, but
>> the content in the file looks as html
>>
>> Also, when I copy/paste the content to redmine - it looks as html
>>
>> What can it be?
>>
>> Thank you in advance.
>>
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Re: Textile document looks bad in RedMine, Pandoc 3.1.3 for Win

[BPJ]

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Do you get *only* HTML or a mixture of textile and HTML? It may be that
Pandoc falls back on HTML for things which can't be expressed in regular
textile like complicated tables.

Can you produce a minimal example which shows the problem? What does -t
native give for the same example?


Den tors 8 juni 2023 08:19Tatiana Kallaur <t.kallaur-/x1ayaorDlXIb2jZbfQ/kQ@public.gmane.org>
skrev:

> Have you used the -t textile command line option?
>
>
> Yes, sure, that is why I'm at a loss... my command is *-f docx -t textile
> -s -o name.textile*
>
> Any guesses what can be the problem?
>
>
> Best regards,
> *Tatiana Kallaur*
> Business Analyst
> Invento Labs
> web: www.invento-labs.com <https://invento-labs.com/>
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>
>
> On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 6:24 PM BP Jonsson <bpjonsson-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
>> Have you used the -t textile command line option? Pandoc outputs html by
>> default. Sometimes it can guess the input and output formats from the file
>> extensions (if you have specified an output file name) but in principle you
>> have to use the -f INPUTFORMAT and -t OUTPUTFORMAT (with the capitalized
>> words replaced with actual format names). The default for input format is
>> markdown.
>>
>> Den ons 7 juni 2023 16:18Tatiana Kallaur <t.kallaur-/x1ayaorDlXIb2jZbfQ/kQ@public.gmane.org>
>> skrev:
>>
>>> Hey, guys!
>>>
>>> Textile document looks bad in RedMine, Pandoc 3.1.3 for Win
>>>
>>> The formatting command works ok, the file is saved in textile format,
>>> but the content in the file looks as html
>>>
>>> Also, when I copy/paste the content to redmine - it looks as html
>>>
>>> What can it be?
>>>
>>> Thank you in advance.
>>>
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Re: Textile document looks bad in RedMine, Pandoc 3.1.3 for Win

[Tatiana Kallaur]

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Here is an example:

<table>
<col width="5%" />
<col width="13%" />
<col width="11%" />
<col width="9%" />
<col width="7%" />
<col width="10%" />
<col width="9%" />
<col width="33%" />
<tbody>
<tr class="odd">
<td align="left">*ID*</td>
<td align="left">*nda*</td>
<td align="left">*nda*</td>
<td align="left">*nda*</td>
<td align="left">*nda*</td>
<td align="left">*nda*</td>
<td align="left">*nda*</td>
<td align="left">*nda*</td>
</tr>


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On Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 10:56 AM BPJ <melroch-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> Do you get *only* HTML or a mixture of textile and HTML? It may be that
> Pandoc falls back on HTML for things which can't be expressed in regular
> textile like complicated tables.
>
> Can you produce a minimal example which shows the problem? What does -t
> native give for the same example?
>
>
> Den tors 8 juni 2023 08:19Tatiana Kallaur <t.kallaur-/x1ayaorDlXIb2jZbfQ/kQ@public.gmane.org>
> skrev:
>
>> Have you used the -t textile command line option?
>>
>>
>> Yes, sure, that is why I'm at a loss... my command is *-f docx -t
>> textile -s -o name.textile*
>>
>> Any guesses what can be the problem?
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>> *Tatiana Kallaur*
>> Business Analyst
>> Invento Labs
>> web: www.invento-labs.com <https://invento-labs.com/>
>> [image: Invento Labs] <https://invento-labs.com/>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 6:24 PM BP Jonsson <bpjonsson-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Have you used the -t textile command line option? Pandoc outputs html by
>>> default. Sometimes it can guess the input and output formats from the file
>>> extensions (if you have specified an output file name) but in principle you
>>> have to use the -f INPUTFORMAT and -t OUTPUTFORMAT (with the capitalized
>>> words replaced with actual format names). The default for input format is
>>> markdown.
>>>
>>> Den ons 7 juni 2023 16:18Tatiana Kallaur <t.kallaur-/x1ayaorDlXIb2jZbfQ/kQ@public.gmane.org>
>>> skrev:
>>>
>>>> Hey, guys!
>>>>
>>>> Textile document looks bad in RedMine, Pandoc 3.1.3 for Win
>>>>
>>>> The formatting command works ok, the file is saved in textile format,
>>>> but the content in the file looks as html
>>>>
>>>> Also, when I copy/paste the content to redmine - it looks as html
>>>>
>>>> What can it be?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you in advance.
>>>>
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Re: Textile document looks bad in RedMine, Pandoc 3.1.3 for Win

[John MacFarlane]

Pandoc will fall back to HTML for content that can't be represented in native Textile.
In this case it's probably the column widths.

> On Jun 8, 2023, at 1:34 AM, Tatiana Kallaur <t.kallaur-/x1ayaorDlXIb2jZbfQ/kQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> 
> Here is an example:
> 
> <table>
> <col width="5%" />
> <col width="13%" />
> <col width="11%" />
> <col width="9%" />
> <col width="7%" />
> <col width="10%" />
> <col width="9%" />
> <col width="33%" />
> <tbody>
> <tr class="odd">
> <td align="left">*ID*</td>
> <td align="left">*nda*</td>
> <td align="left">*nda*</td>
> <td align="left">*nda*</td>
> <td align="left">*nda*</td>
> <td align="left">*nda*</td>
> <td align="left">*nda*</td>
> <td align="left">*nda*</td>
> </tr>
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> Tatiana Kallaur
> Business Analyst
> Invento Labs
> web: www.invento-labs.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 10:56 AM BPJ <melroch-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> Do you get *only* HTML or a mixture of textile and HTML? It may be that Pandoc falls back on HTML for things which can't be expressed in regular textile like complicated tables.
> 
> Can you produce a minimal example which shows the problem? What does -t native give for the same example?
> 
> 
> Den tors 8 juni 2023 08:19Tatiana Kallaur <t.kallaur-/x1ayaorDlXIb2jZbfQ/kQ@public.gmane.org> skrev:
> Have you used the -t textile command line option?
> 
> Yes, sure, that is why I'm at a loss... my command is -f docx -t textile -s -o name.textile
> 
> Any guesses what can be the problem?
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> Tatiana Kallaur
> Business Analyst
> Invento Labs
> web: www.invento-labs.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 6:24 PM BP Jonsson <bpjonsson-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> Have you used the -t textile command line option? Pandoc outputs html by default. Sometimes it can guess the input and output formats from the file extensions (if you have specified an output file name) but in principle you have to use the -f INPUTFORMAT and -t OUTPUTFORMAT (with the capitalized words replaced with actual format names). The default for input format is markdown.
> 
> Den ons 7 juni 2023 16:18Tatiana Kallaur <t.kallaur-/x1ayaorDlXIb2jZbfQ/kQ@public.gmane.org> skrev:
> Hey, guys!
> 
> Textile document looks bad in RedMine, Pandoc 3.1.3 for Win 
> 
> The formatting command works ok, the file is saved in textile format, but the content in the file looks as html 
> 
> Also, when I copy/paste the content to redmine - it looks as html
> 
> What can it be?
> 
> Thank you in advance.
> 
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Re: Textile document looks bad in RedMine, Pandoc 3.1.3 for Win

[Tatiana Kallaur]

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Ok, guys, here is the original docx file
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Xg_UtCi5MEzz-DRcqiXfs7NS_VQC7t8v/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=107913613988745926915&rtpof=true&sd=true>
here is the file, converted by Pandoc 3.1.3 version
<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1aA6QXg1sG1175NotVbDd5YE8Tqh7XHiJ/view?usp=sharing>
(I
did it)
here is the file, converted by Pandoc 2.10.1 version
<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1syUVTF9URtLyHtfsS937a7nnkC5PuJOm/view?usp=sharing>
installed 3 years ago (my colleague did it).

Older version converts to textile fine, the newest doesn't.

Best regards,
*Tatiana Kallaur*
Business Analyst
Invento Labs
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On Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 6:44 PM John MacFarlane <fiddlosopher@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Pandoc will fall back to HTML for content that can't be represented in
> native Textile.
> In this case it's probably the column widths.
>
> > On Jun 8, 2023, at 1:34 AM, Tatiana Kallaur <t.kallaur-/x1ayaorDlXIb2jZbfQ/kQ@public.gmane.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Here is an example:
> >
> > <table>
> > <col width="5%" />
> > <col width="13%" />
> > <col width="11%" />
> > <col width="9%" />
> > <col width="7%" />
> > <col width="10%" />
> > <col width="9%" />
> > <col width="33%" />
> > <tbody>
> > <tr class="odd">
> > <td align="left">*ID*</td>
> > <td align="left">*nda*</td>
> > <td align="left">*nda*</td>
> > <td align="left">*nda*</td>
> > <td align="left">*nda*</td>
> > <td align="left">*nda*</td>
> > <td align="left">*nda*</td>
> > <td align="left">*nda*</td>
> > </tr>
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Tatiana Kallaur
> > Business Analyst
> > Invento Labs
> > web: www.invento-labs.com
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 10:56 AM BPJ <melroch-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > Do you get *only* HTML or a mixture of textile and HTML? It may be that
> Pandoc falls back on HTML for things which can't be expressed in regular
> textile like complicated tables.
> >
> > Can you produce a minimal example which shows the problem? What does -t
> native give for the same example?
> >
> >
> > Den tors 8 juni 2023 08:19Tatiana Kallaur <t.kallaur-/x1ayaorDlXIb2jZbfQ/kQ@public.gmane.org>
> skrev:
> > Have you used the -t textile command line option?
> >
> > Yes, sure, that is why I'm at a loss... my command is -f docx -t textile
> -s -o name.textile
> >
> > Any guesses what can be the problem?
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Tatiana Kallaur
> > Business Analyst
> > Invento Labs
> > web: www.invento-labs.com
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 6:24 PM BP Jonsson <bpjonsson-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > Have you used the -t textile command line option? Pandoc outputs html by
> default. Sometimes it can guess the input and output formats from the file
> extensions (if you have specified an output file name) but in principle you
> have to use the -f INPUTFORMAT and -t OUTPUTFORMAT (with the capitalized
> words replaced with actual format names). The default for input format is
> markdown.
> >
> > Den ons 7 juni 2023 16:18Tatiana Kallaur <t.kallaur-/x1ayaorDlXIb2jZbfQ/kQ@public.gmane.org>
> skrev:
> > Hey, guys!
> >
> > Textile document looks bad in RedMine, Pandoc 3.1.3 for Win
> >
> > The formatting command works ok, the file is saved in textile format,
> but the content in the file looks as html
> >
> > Also, when I copy/paste the content to redmine - it looks as html
> >
> > What can it be?
> >
> > Thank you in advance.
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Re: Textile document looks bad in RedMine, Pandoc 3.1.3 for Win

[John MacFarlane]

It depends what you mean by "just fine."  Embedded HTML is perfectly fine in Textile, and in this case it is needed in order to preserve the semantic information about column widths.  (Btw, can't see these links - it says the file is in owner's trash.)

AT least, this used to be true. It looks like in a more recent iteration of Textile, there's a syntax for specifying these things:
https://textile-lang.com/doc/tables
In principle we could support this new syntax, but I'd prefer to aim for a more compatible subset of Textile that would also work with older Textile.

> On Jun 8, 2023, at 11:38 PM, Tatiana Kallaur <t.kallaur-/x1ayaorDlXIb2jZbfQ/kQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> 
> Ok, guys, here is the original docx file
> here is the file, converted by Pandoc 3.1.3 version (I did it)
> here is the file, converted by Pandoc 2.10.1 version installed 3 years ago (my colleague did it).
> 
> Older version converts to textile fine, the newest doesn't.
> 
> Best regards,
> Tatiana Kallaur
> Business Analyst
> Invento Labs
> web: www.invento-labs.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 6:44 PM John MacFarlane <fiddlosopher@gmail.com> wrote:
> Pandoc will fall back to HTML for content that can't be represented in native Textile.
> In this case it's probably the column widths.
> 
> > On Jun 8, 2023, at 1:34 AM, Tatiana Kallaur <t.kallaur-/x1ayaorDlXIb2jZbfQ/kQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > 
> > Here is an example:
> > 
> > <table>
> > <col width="5%" />
> > <col width="13%" />
> > <col width="11%" />
> > <col width="9%" />
> > <col width="7%" />
> > <col width="10%" />
> > <col width="9%" />
> > <col width="33%" />
> > <tbody>
> > <tr class="odd">
> > <td align="left">*ID*</td>
> > <td align="left">*nda*</td>
> > <td align="left">*nda*</td>
> > <td align="left">*nda*</td>
> > <td align="left">*nda*</td>
> > <td align="left">*nda*</td>
> > <td align="left">*nda*</td>
> > <td align="left">*nda*</td>
> > </tr>
> > 
> > 
> > Best regards,
> > Tatiana Kallaur
> > Business Analyst
> > Invento Labs
> > web: www.invento-labs.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 10:56 AM BPJ <melroch-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > Do you get *only* HTML or a mixture of textile and HTML? It may be that Pandoc falls back on HTML for things which can't be expressed in regular textile like complicated tables.
> > 
> > Can you produce a minimal example which shows the problem? What does -t native give for the same example?
> > 
> > 
> > Den tors 8 juni 2023 08:19Tatiana Kallaur <t.kallaur-/x1ayaorDlXIb2jZbfQ/kQ@public.gmane.org> skrev:
> > Have you used the -t textile command line option?
> > 
> > Yes, sure, that is why I'm at a loss... my command is -f docx -t textile -s -o name.textile
> > 
> > Any guesses what can be the problem?
> > 
> > 
> > Best regards,
> > Tatiana Kallaur
> > Business Analyst
> > Invento Labs
> > web: www.invento-labs.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 6:24 PM BP Jonsson <bpjonsson-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > Have you used the -t textile command line option? Pandoc outputs html by default. Sometimes it can guess the input and output formats from the file extensions (if you have specified an output file name) but in principle you have to use the -f INPUTFORMAT and -t OUTPUTFORMAT (with the capitalized words replaced with actual format names). The default for input format is markdown.
> > 
> > Den ons 7 juni 2023 16:18Tatiana Kallaur <t.kallaur-/x1ayaorDlXIb2jZbfQ/kQ@public.gmane.org> skrev:
> > Hey, guys!
> > 
> > Textile document looks bad in RedMine, Pandoc 3.1.3 for Win 
> > 
> > The formatting command works ok, the file is saved in textile format, but the content in the file looks as html 
> > 
> > Also, when I copy/paste the content to redmine - it looks as html
> > 
> > What can it be?
> > 
> > Thank you in advance.
> > 
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Re: Textile document looks bad in RedMine, Pandoc 3.1.3 for Win

[Daniel Staal]

On 6/9/23 5:33 PM, John MacFarlane wrote:
> It depends what you mean by "just fine."  Embedded HTML is perfectly fine in Textile, and in this case it is needed in order to preserve the semantic information about column widths.  (Btw, can't see these links - it says the file is in owner's trash.)

As someone else who occasinally gets bit by this: I think the main issue 
really is that the Markdown reader often seems to assume column widths 
that I didn't actually mean.  Especially if I do something like 
hand-write a table, use Pandoc to format it, and then edit it, if I then 
format it to Textile I'll be surprised that there's widths assigned. 
Pipe tables are particularly prone to it, as the 'nice' way to write 
them is to have the header seperator line match the widths of the 
headers (or the width of the longest element in the column) - but that 
implies widths, when really all I'm normally looking for is the column 
boundries to match up in my text.

And if it's then going into Redmine (which is my common usecase for this 
conversion as well), then converting to embedded HTML makes it look ugly 
and be hard to edit further in the wiki.

Not sure what the correct response is, really.  Since the real issue is 
that I'm effectively trying to use a subset of the full syntax.

Daniel T. Staal

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Re: Textile document looks bad in RedMine, Pandoc 3.1.3 for Win

[John MacFarlane]

> On Jun 9, 2023, at 4:50 PM, Daniel Staal <DStaal-Jdbf3xiKgS8@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> 
> On 6/9/23 5:33 PM, John MacFarlane wrote:
>> It depends what you mean by "just fine."  Embedded HTML is perfectly fine in Textile, and in this case it is needed in order to preserve the semantic information about column widths.  (Btw, can't see these links - it says the file is in owner's trash.)
> 
> As someone else who occasinally gets bit by this: I think the main issue really is that the Markdown reader often seems to assume column widths that I didn't actually mean.  Especially if I do something like hand-write a table, use Pandoc to format it, and then edit it, if I then format it to Textile I'll be surprised that there's widths assigned. Pipe tables are particularly prone to it, as the 'nice' way to write them is to have the header seperator line match the widths of the headers (or the width of the longest element in the column) - but that implies widths, when really all I'm normally looking for is the column boundries to match up in my text.

It only implies widths if the overall width of the table exceeds the width set by --columns -- so increasing that is one approach.

> And if it's then going into Redmine (which is my common usecase for this conversion as well), then converting to embedded HTML makes it look ugly and be hard to edit further in the wiki.


One solution might be to use a Lua filter that just sets all the column widths to the default.

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