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I tried this version, but unfortunately, there was no change in the output= =20 PDF (i.e., the Japanese font is used for the curly quotes). > If all else fails use Unicode curly quotes throughout and try this in the= =20 preamble: >=20 > \newfontfamily{\GeorgiaFont}{Georgia} > \usepackage{newunicodechar} > \newunicodechar{=E2=80=98}{{\GeorgiaFont =E2=80=98}} > \newunicodechar{=E2=80=99}{{\GeorgiaFont =E2=80=99}} > \newunicodechar{=E2=80=9C}{{\GeorgiaFont =E2=80=9C}} > \newunicodechar{=E2=80=9D}{{\GeorgiaFont =E2=80=9D}} I tried this as well, but unfortunately, there was no change in the output= =20 PDF. Initially, I suspected it was something in bxjsarticle that I had set in=20 documentclass. However, this problem does not occur when I output PDF with= =20 xelatex from an equivalent source, rather than converting from Pandoc to=20 TeX. I will investigate this a bit further. Best, Shigeru On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 7:01:45=E2=80=AFAM UTC+9 BPJ wrote: Den tis 11 apr. 2023 07:53Shigeru Kobayashi skrev: Dear Bastien DUMONT, Thank you very much for your reply. I tried as follows and got no changes.= =20 I'm sorry if I misunderstood your suggestion. *preamble.tex:* \usepackage{fontspec} \setmainfont{Georgia} \setjamainfont{BIZ UDMincho Medium} \babelfont[english]{rm}{Georgia} *input.md:* --- documentclass: bxjsarticle classoption: pandoc papersize: a4 --- [That person said, "Hello, world!"]{lang=3Den} And if you use Unicode curly quotes inside the span? If all else fails use Unicode curly quotes throughout and try this in the= =20 preamble: \newfontfamily{\GeorgiaFont}{Georgia} \usepackage{newunicodechar} \newunicodechar{=E2=80=98}{{\GeorgiaFont =E2=80=98}} \newunicodechar{=E2=80=99}{{\GeorgiaFont =E2=80=99}} \newunicodechar{=E2=80=9C}{{\GeorgiaFont =E2=80=9C}} \newunicodechar{=E2=80=9D}{{\GeorgiaFont =E2=80=9D}} Inspect the LaTeX output by pandoc and make sure you get curly quotes in=20 the LaTeX source, otherwise experiment with the +smart/-smart extension on= =20 input and output format till you get curly quotes in the LaTeX source. *shell:* $ pandoc -V lang=3Dja input.md -o input.pdf --pdf-engine=3Dxelatex -V pando= c -H=20 preamble.tex On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 2:32:57=E2=80=AFPM UTC+9 Bastien DUMONT wrote= : An if you put the English parts in language spans as I said and add in=20 header-includes \babelfont[english]{rm}{Georgia}?=20 Le Monday 10 April 2023 =C3=A0 04:30:37PM, Shigeru Kobayashi a =C3=A9crit := =20 > Dear Bastien DUMONT and John MacFarlane,=20 >=20 > Thank you very much for your reply.=20 >=20 > Regarding issue 1, I will use Unicode curly quotes instead of strait=20 quotes to=20 > avoid misinterpretation.=20 >=20 > Regarding issue 2, I tried marking the English text as [That person said,= =20 > "Hello, world!"]{lang=3Den}, but the result was the same (i.e., quotes ar= e=20 > typeset with the Japanese font instead of the English font). I also tried= =20 > Unicode curly quotes.=20 >=20 > I have confirmed that "pandoc input.md -t input.tex" generates a code as= =20 > expected as follows:=20 > \foreignlanguage{english}{That person said, ``Hello, world!''}=20 >=20 > Therefore, this is puzzling to me...=20 >=20 >=20 > Best regards,=20 > Shigeru KOBAYASHI=20 >=20 >=20 > On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 2:34:40=E2=80=AFAM UTC+9 John MacFarlane wr= ote:=20 >=20 > I would recommend using unicode curly quotes in the markdown when you're= =20 > working in a language without interword spacing. We rely on interword=20 > spacing for heuristics about smart quotes.=20 >=20 > > On Apr 9, 2023, at 4:53 PM, Shigeru Kobayashi =20 wrote:=20 > >=20 > > Dear Pandoc community,=20 > >=20 > > I have encountered two issues regarding Pandoc's handling of quotation= =20 > marks in cases where Japanese and English texts are mixed.=20 > >=20 > > I am using Pandoc version 3.1.2 on macOS 12.6.3, and I can reproduce=20 > these issues. If these are indeed bugs, I am planning to submit them as= =20 > issues on GitHub. However, I would appreciate any guidance if these=20 issues=20 > arise from my incorrect usage.=20 > >=20 > > Issue 1: Conversion of English phrases within Japanese text=20 > >=20 > > I have observed the following issue. "input.md" is the input file, and= =20 > "input.tex" is the output file.=20 > >=20 > > $ pandoc input.md -o input.tex=20 > >=20 > > input.md:=20 > > =E3=81=9D=E3=81=AE=E4=BA=BA=E3=81=AF"Hello, world!"=E3=81=A8=E8=A8=80= =E3=81=84=E3=81=BE=E3=81=97=E3=81=9F=E3=80=82=20 > >=20 > > input.tex:=20 > > =E3=81=9D=E3=81=AE=E4=BA=BA=E3=81=AF''Hello, world!{}``=E3=81=A8=E8=A8= =80=E3=81=84=E3=81=BE=E3=81=97=E3=81=9F=E3=80=82=20 > >=20 > > However, the conversion is correct when spaces are added before and=20 after=20 > the double quotation marks.=20 > >=20 > > input.md:=20 > > =E3=81=9D=E3=81=AE=E4=BA=BA=E3=81=AF "Hello, world!" =E3=81=A8=E8=A8=80= =E3=81=84=E3=81=BE=E3=81=97=E3=81=9F=E3=80=82=20 > >=20 > > input.tex:=20 > > =E3=81=9D=E3=81=AE=E4=BA=BA=E3=81=AF ``Hello, world!'' =E3=81=A8=E8=A8= =80=E3=81=84=E3=81=BE=E3=81=97=E3=81=9F=E3=80=82=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Issue 2: The quotation marks are treated as Japanese text=20 > >=20 > > When converting with Pandoc, the quotation marks are treated as=20 Japanese=20 > text, resulting in an unnaturally wide gap. I have confirmed this using= =20 two=20 > files, "preamble.tex" and "input.md," and specifying as follows:=20 > >=20 > > $ pandoc input.md -o input.pdf --pdf-engine=3Dxelatex -H preamble.tex.= =20 > >=20 > > preamble.tex:=20 > > \usepackage{fontspec}=20 > >=20 > > \setmainfont{Georgia}=20 > > \setjamainfont{BIZ UDMincho Medium}=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > input.md:=20 > > ---=20 > > documentclass: bxjsarticle=20 > > classoption: pandoc=20 > > papersize: a4=20 > > fontsize: 10pt=20 > > ---=20 > >=20 > > # =E3=81=AF=E3=81=98=E3=82=81=E3=81=AB=20 > >=20 > > =E3=81=9D=E3=81=AE=E4=BA=BA=E3=81=AF "Hello, world!" =E3=81=A8=E8=A8=80= =E3=81=84=E3=81=BE=E3=81=97=E3=81=9F=E3=80=82=20 > >=20 > > That person said, "Hello, world!"=20 > >=20 > > =20 > >=20 > > In contrast, when I directly write the content in TeX and output it=20 using=20 > $ xelatex test.tex, the quotation marks are treated as English text, and= =20 > the expected output is obtained.=20 > >=20 > > test.tex:=20 > > \documentclass[a4paper,xelatex,ja=3Dstandard]{bxjsarticle}=20 > >=20 > > \usepackage{fontspec}=20 > > \setmainfont{Georgia}=20 > > \setjamainfont{BIZ UDMincho Medium}=20 > >=20 > > \title{=E3=83=86=E3=82=B9=E3=83=88}=20 > > \begin{document}=20 > > \maketitle=20 > >=20 > > \section{=E3=81=AF=E3=81=98=E3=82=81=E3=81=AB}=20 > >=20 > > =E3=81=9D=E3=81=AE=E4=BA=BA=E3=81=AF ``Hello, world!'' =E3=81=A8=E8=A8= =80=E3=81=84=E3=81=BE=E3=81=97=E3=81=9F=E3=80=82=20 > >=20 > > That person said, ``Hello, world!''=20 > >=20 > > \end{document}=20 > >=20 > > =20 > >=20 > > Shigeru Kobayashi=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > --=20 > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google=20 Groups=20 > "pandoc-discuss" group.=20 > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send= =20 an=20 > email to pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org=20 > > To view this discussion on the web visit [1]https://groups.google.com/d= /=20 > msgid/pandoc-discuss/=20 > 4a0eafdc-b4a2-4a6a-9488-d2a1c9ef8351n%40googlegroups.com.=20 > > =20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= =20 > "pandoc-discuss" group.=20 > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an= =20 email=20 > to [2]pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org=20 > To view this discussion on the web visit [3] https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/=20 > pandoc-discuss/602edc59-8983-4459-bbbb-85cee5f013b3n%40googlegroups.com.= =20 >=20 > References:=20 >=20 > [1]=20 https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/4a0eafdc-b4a2-4a6a-9488-d2= a1c9ef8351n%40googlegroups.com=20 > [2] mailto:pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org=20 > [3]=20 https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/602edc59-8983-4459-bbbb-85= cee5f013b3n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=3Demail&utm_source=3Dfooter=20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= =20 "pandoc-discuss" group. 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Thank you very much for your= suggestions.

> And if you use Un= icode curly quotes inside the span?

I tried this version, but unfortunately, there was no change in the = output PDF (i.e., the Japanese font is used for the curly quotes).


&= gt; If all else fails use Unicode curly quotes throughout and try this in t= he preamble:
>=C2=A0
> \newfontfamily{\GeorgiaFont}{Georgia}
> \usepackage{newunicodechar}
> \new= unicodechar{=E2=80=98}{{\GeorgiaFont =E2=80=98}}
>= ; \newunicodechar{=E2=80=99}{{\GeorgiaFont =E2=80=99}}
> \newunicodechar{=E2=80=9C}{{\GeorgiaFont =E2=80=9C}}
> \newunicodechar{=E2=80=9D}{{\GeorgiaFont =E2=80=9D}}

I tried this as well, but unfortuna= tely, there was no change in the output PDF.

Initially, I suspec= ted it was something in bxjsarticle that I had set in documentclass. Howeve= r, this problem does not occur when I output PDF with xelatex from an equiv= alent source, rather than converting from Pandoc to TeX.

I will = investigate this a bit further.


Best,
Shigeru


=
On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 7:01:45=E2=80=AFAM UTC+9 = BPJ wrote:





shell:
$ pandoc -V lang=3Dja input.= md -o input.pdf --pdf-engine=3Dxelatex -V pandoc -H preamble.tex
=


On Tue= sday, April 11, 2023 at 2:32:57=E2=80=AFPM UTC+9 Bastien DUMONT wrote:
An if you put the English parts = in language spans as I said and add in header-includes \babelfont[english]{= rm}{Georgia}?

Le Monday 10 April 2023 =C3=A0 04:30:37PM, Shigeru Kobayashi a =C3=A9= crit :
> Dear=C2=A0Bastien DUMONT and=C2=A0John MacFarlane,
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> Thank you very much for your reply.
>=20
> Regarding issue 1, I will use Unicode curly quotes instead of st= rait quotes to
> avoid misinterpretation.
>=20
> Regarding issue 2, I tried marking the English text as [That per= son said,
> "Hello, world!"]{lang=3Den}, but the result was the same (i.e., = quotes are
> typeset with the Japanese font instead of the English font). I a= lso tried
> Unicode curly quotes.
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> I have confirmed that "pandoc input.md -t input.tex" generates a= code as
> expected as follows:
> \foreignlanguage{english}{That person said, ``Hello, world!''}
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> Therefore, this is puzzling to me...
>=20
>=20
> Best regards,
> Shigeru KOBAYASHI
>=20
>=20
> On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 2:34:40=E2=80=AFAM UTC+9 John MacF= arlane wrote:
>=20
> I would recommend using unicode curly quotes in the markdown= when you're
> working in a language without interword spacing. We rely on = interword
> spacing for heuristics about smart quotes.
>=20
> > On Apr 9, 2023, at 4:53 PM, Shigeru Kobayashi <may...-+k8b35VvZrR3+QwDJ9on6Q@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Pandoc community,
> >
> > I have encountered two issues regarding Pandoc's handli= ng of quotation
> marks in cases where Japanese and English texts are mixed.
> >
> > I am using Pandoc version 3.1.2 on macOS 12.6.3, and I = can reproduce
> these issues. If these are indeed bugs, I am planning to sub= mit them as
> issues on GitHub. However, I would appreciate any guidance i= f these issues
> arise from my incorrect usage.
> >
> > Issue 1: Conversion of English phrases within Japanese = text
> >
> > I have observed the following issue. "input.md" is the = input file, and
> "input.tex" is the output file.
> >
> > $ pandoc input.md -o input.tex
> >
> > input.md:
> > =E3=81=9D=E3=81=AE=E4=BA=BA=E3=81=AF"Hello, world!"=E3= =81=A8=E8=A8=80=E3=81=84=E3=81=BE=E3=81=97=E3=81=9F=E3=80=82
> >
> > input.tex:
> > =E3=81=9D=E3=81=AE=E4=BA=BA=E3=81=AF''Hello, world!{}``= =E3=81=A8=E8=A8=80=E3=81=84=E3=81=BE=E3=81=97=E3=81=9F=E3=80=82
> >
> > However, the conversion is correct when spaces are adde= d before and after
> the double quotation marks.
> >
> > input.md:
> > =E3=81=9D=E3=81=AE=E4=BA=BA=E3=81=AF "Hello, world!" = =E3=81=A8=E8=A8=80=E3=81=84=E3=81=BE=E3=81=97=E3=81=9F=E3=80=82
> >
> > input.tex:
> > =E3=81=9D=E3=81=AE=E4=BA=BA=E3=81=AF ``Hello, world!'' = =E3=81=A8=E8=A8=80=E3=81=84=E3=81=BE=E3=81=97=E3=81=9F=E3=80=82
> >
> >
> > Issue 2: The quotation marks are treated as Japanese te= xt
> >
> > When converting with Pandoc, the quotation marks are tr= eated as Japanese
> text, resulting in an unnaturally wide gap. I have confirmed= this using two
> files, "preamble.tex" and "input.md," and specifying as foll= ows:
> >
> > $ pandoc input.md -o input.pdf --pdf-engine=3Dxelatex -= H preamble.tex.
> >
> > preamble.tex:
> > \usepackage{fontspec}
> >
> > \setmainfont{Georgia}
> > \setjamainfont{BIZ UDMincho Medium}
> >
> >
> > input.md:
> > ---
> > documentclass: bxjsarticle
> > classoption: pandoc
> > papersize: a4
> > fontsize: 10pt
> > ---
> >
> > # =E3=81=AF=E3=81=98=E3=82=81=E3=81=AB
> >
> > =E3=81=9D=E3=81=AE=E4=BA=BA=E3=81=AF "Hello, world!" = =E3=81=A8=E8=A8=80=E3=81=84=E3=81=BE=E3=81=97=E3=81=9F=E3=80=82
> >
> > That person said, "Hello, world!"
> >
> > <pandoc test 2023-04-10 8.47.43.png>
> >
> > In contrast, when I directly write the content in TeX a= nd output it using
> $ xelatex test.tex, the quotation marks are treated as Engli= sh text, and
> the expected output is obtained.
> >
> > test.tex:
> > \documentclass[a4paper,xelatex,ja=3Dstandard]{bxjsartic= le}
> >
> > \usepackage{fontspec}
> > \setmainfont{Georgia}
> > \setjamainfont{BIZ UDMincho Medium}
> >
> > \title{=E3=83=86=E3=82=B9=E3=83=88}
> > \begin{document}
> > \maketitle
> >
> > \section{=E3=81=AF=E3=81=98=E3=82=81=E3=81=AB}
> >
> > =E3=81=9D=E3=81=AE=E4=BA=BA=E3=81=AF ``Hello, world!'' = =E3=81=A8=E8=A8=80=E3=81=84=E3=81=BE=E3=81=97=E3=81=9F=E3=80=82
> >
> > That person said, ``Hello, world!''
> >
> > \end{document}
> >
> > <xelatex test 2023-04-10 8.46.44.png>
> >
> > Shigeru Kobayashi
> >
> >
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