Re: Suppressing author in citation

[Tom McLean <thomaspaulmclean-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>]

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Yeah, keen to avoid that. I'm not doing anything complicated enough to 
warrant it – and I suspect I've overcomplicated plenty already!!

On Monday, 10 May 2021 at 11:50:48 UTC+2 denis...-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org wrote:

> The biblatex-chicago comes with a myriad of commands for basically every 
> kind of situation you can possibly think of. I’m quite sure you can find a 
> command there that works in your particular situation. However, that would 
> mean writing latex directly, which may not be what you want. High-level 
> wrappers like autocite only get you so far ...
>
>  
>
> *Von:* pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> *Im 
> Auftrag von *Tom McLean
> *Gesendet:* Montag, 10. Mai 2021 11:37
> *An:* pandoc-discuss <pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
> *Betreff:* Re: Suppressing author in citation
>
>  
>
> Thank you – that looks perfect!
>
>  
>
> (It does break the slight bodge I had made on some of my more extended 
> footnotes, but I will either have to adjust that, or dump less material in 
> my footnotes...)
>
> On Monday, 10 May 2021 at 10:35:02 UTC+2 denis...-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org wrote:
>
> Ok. Biblatex-chicago comes with a command \headlesscite with is already 
> quite close to what you want. The definition is: 
>
> ``` 
> \DeclareCiteCommand{\headlesscite} 
> {\usebibmacro{prenote}} 
> {\usebibmacro{citeindex}% 
> \toggletrue{cms@headlessnote}% 
> \usebibmacro{clear+labelname}% 
> \usebibmacro \clearname{labelname}% 
> {cite}% 
> \global\toggletrue{cms@noidem}}% 
> {\multicitedelim} 
> {\usebibmacro{cite:postnote}} 
> ``` 
>
> We can now simply take that definiton for the starred variant of footcite: 
>
> ``` 
> \DeclareCiteCommand*{\footcite}[\mkbibfootnote] 
> {\usebibmacro{prenote}} 
> {\usebibmacro{citeindex}% 
> \toggletrue{cms@headlessnote}% 
> \usebibmacro{clear+labelname}% 
> \clearname{labelname}% 
> \usebibmacro{cite}% 
> \global\toggletrue{cms@noidem}}% 
> {\multicitedelim} 
> {\usebibmacro{cite:postnote}} 
> ``` 
>
> It will start working for \autocite* after these two lines: 
>
> ``` 
> \DeclareAutoCiteCommand{footnote}[l]{\footcite}{\footcites} 
> \ExecuteBibliographyOptions{autocite=footnote} 
> ``` 
>
> MWE below, PDF attached. 
>
> HTH, 
> Denis 
>
> ================================================ 
> \documentclass{article} 
> \begin{filecontents}[overwrite]{test.bib} 
> @book{schillebeeckx1952, 
> title = {De {{Sacramentele Heilseconomie}}}, 
> author = {Schillebeeckx, Henricus}, 
> year = {1952}, 
> publisher = {{'T Groeit}}, 
> address = {{Antwerpen}} 
> } 
>
> @book{schillebeeckx1964, 
> title = {Christus Sacrament van de Godsontmoeting}, 
> author = {Schillebeeckx, Edward}, 
> year = {1964}, 
> edition = {7de dr.}, 
> publisher = {{Nelissen}}, 
> address = {{Bilthoven}} 
> } 
>
> @book{schillebeeckx1967a, 
> title = {Christus' Tegenwoordigheid in de Eucharistie}, 
> author = {Schillebeeckx, Edward}, 
> year = {1967}, 
> publisher = {{Nelissen}}, 
> address = {{Bilthoven}} 
> } 
>
> @book{schillebeeckx2005, 
> title = {The {{Eucharist}}}, 
> author = {Schillebeeckx, Edward}, 
> year = {2005}, 
> edition = {First published 1967}, 
> publisher = {{Burns \& Oates}}, 
> address = {{London}}, 
> isbn = {978-0-86012-400-9}, 
> keywords = {Transubstantiation}, 
> lccn = {BX2220 .S3513 2005} 
> } 
>
> @book{schillebeeckx2014n, 
> title = {Christ the Sacrament of the Encounter of {{God}}}, 
> shorttitle = {Christ the {{Sacrament}}}, 
> author = {Schillebeeckx, Edward}, 
> year = {2014}, 
> edition = {First published 1959}, 
> publisher = {{Bloomsbury}}, 
> address = {{London}}, 
> isbn = {978-0-567-41723-7 978-1-4725-5834-3 978-1-4725-5833-6}, 
> keywords = {Catholic Church,Sacraments}, 
> number = {1}, 
> series = {The Collected Works of {{Edward Schillebeeckx}}} 
> } 
> \end{filecontents} 
>
> \usepackage[notes,backend=biber]{biblatex-chicago} 
> \addbibresource{test.bib} 
>
> % Declare footcite* just as headlesscite, but wrap it in a footnote 
> \DeclareCiteCommand*{\footcite}[\mkbibfootnote] 
> {\usebibmacro{prenote}} 
> {\usebibmacro{citeindex}% 
> \toggletrue{cms@headlessnote}% 
> \usebibmacro{clear+labelname}% 
> \clearname{labelname}% 
> \usebibmacro{cite}% 
> \global\toggletrue{cms@noidem}}% 
> {\multicitedelim} 
> {\usebibmacro{cite:postnote}} 
>
> % This is needed for these changes to take effect. 
> \DeclareAutoCiteCommand{footnote}[l]{\footcite}{\footcites} 
> \ExecuteBibliographyOptions{autocite=footnote} 
>
>
> \begin{document} 
>
> \autocite*{schillebeeckx1952} 
>
> %\footcite*{schillebeeckx1952} 
>
> \end{document} 
>
> ================================================ 
>
>
>
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- 
> > Von: pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc- 
> > dis...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> Im Auftrag von denis...-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org 
> > Gesendet: Montag, 10. Mai 2021 00:07 
> > An: pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org 
> > Betreff: AW: Suppressing author in citation 
> > 
> > \DeclareCiteCommand*{\footcite}[\mkbibfootnote] 
> > {\usebibmacro{prenote}}%\bibsentence 
> > {\usebibmacro{citeindex}% 
> > %\usebibmacro{cite} 
> > \usebibmacro{cite-without-author}} 
> > {\multicitedelim} 
> > {\usebibmacro{cite:postnote}} 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ________________________________________ 
> > Von: Maier, Denis Christian (UB) 
> > Gesendet: Montag, 10. Mai 2021 00:02:15 
> > An: pandoc-discuss 
> > Betreff: AW: Suppressing author in citation 
> > 
> > Biblatex-chicago defines autocite as footcute. The star is simply being 
> passed 
> > through. As there us no definition for footcite*, footcite* uses 
> footcite* as a 
> > fallback. 
> > So, we need a definition for footcite* (\DeclareCiteCommand). In that 
> > definition, call a big macro that doesn't print the authors. 
> > 
> > ________________________________________ 
> > Von: pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc- 
> > dis...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> im Auftrag von Tom McLean 
> > <thomaspa...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> 
> > Gesendet: Sonntag, 9. Mai 2021 23:24:07 
> > An: pandoc-discuss 
> > Betreff: Re: Suppressing author in citation 
> > 
> > Can't renewcommand and newcommand both only take one optional 
> > argument? autocite takes two (comments before and after the reference), 
> > and while I don't think that causes me a problem in this instance, I'd 
> rather a 
> > solution that doesn't limit that if that's possible. 
> > 
> > 
> > On Sunday, 9 May 2021 at 21:39:06 UTC+2 denis...-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org wrote: 
> > I don't think renewcommand is the best solution. There's a special 
> interface 
> > for citation commands. 
> > ________________________________________ 
> > Von: pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> im 
> > Auftrag von Bastien DUMONT <bastien...-VwIFZPTo/vqsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> 
> > Gesendet: Sonntag, 9. Mai 2021 21:31:05 
> > An: pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org 
> > Betreff: Re: Suppressing author in citation 
> > 
> > Renewing \autocite* seems to be a good approach. So please try again and 
> > reproduce your exact commands if the error persists! 
> > 
> > Le Sunday 09 May 2021 à 12:14:40PM, Tom McLean a écrit : 
> > > Wouldn't that method also require me to manually insert 
> > > \clearname{author} for all the relevant citations? At least, my quick 
> > > attempt didn't seem happy with either \newcommand{\autocite*} or 
> > > \renewcomand{\autocite*} – the former objecting because the unstarred 
> > > version exists, and the latter because the starred doesn't. (Though I 
> > > don't rule out the possibility of an error in the rest of the 
> > > arguments to \(re)newcommand being part of the problem...) 
> > > 
> > > On Sunday, 9 May 2021 at 17:04:59 UTC+2 jcr wrote: 
> > > 
> > > I meant \clearname{author} 
> > > 
> > > On Sunday, May 9, 2021 at 5:01:57 PM UTC+2 jcr wrote: 
> > > 
> > > See the first answer to this question: 
> > > https://tex.stackexchange.com/a/ 262472/ I don't know if exactly the 
> > > same code will work with biblatex-chicago, but it shows the general 
> > > approach. You want to make a command to suppress printing of the 
> > > author (in the linked answer, it's called \int@suppauth), and then 
> > > invoke it at the beginning of the starred cite commands you declare. 
> > > If it's sufficient to suppress the author's name, that command can be 
> > > \clearname{authorname}, but Chicago style will substitute an editor or 
> > > translator, so if the citations in question have one of those, you 
> need a 
> > more sophisticated solution. 
> > > 
> > > On Saturday, May 8, 2021 at 4:43:44 PM UTC+2 denis...-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org 
> > > wrote: 
> > > 
> > > Hint: look for declarecitecommand and declareautocitecommand 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ________________________________________ 
> > > Von: pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> im 
> > > Auftrag von Tom McLean <thomaspa...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> 
> > > Gesendet: Samstag, 8. Mai 2021 16:40:12 
> > > An: pandoc-discuss 
> > > Betreff: Re: Suppressing author in citation 
> > > 
> > > Thank you! I'll see if I can get anywhere before then! 
> > > 
> > > On Saturday, 8 May 2021 at 16:32:53 UTC+2 denis...-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org 
> > > wrote: 
> > > I can look into this on Monday. If you an earlier solution you may 
> > > want to look into how the standard styles do this. 
> > > ________________________________________ 
> > > Von: pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> im 
> > > Auftrag von denis...-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org <denis...-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org> 
> > > Gesendet: Samstag, 8. Mai 2021 16:29:39 
> > > An: pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org 
> > > Betreff: AW: Suppressing author in citation 
> > > 
> > > It has nothing to do with biber. Cite-commands are defined in biblatex 
> > > styles. (Can't check at the moment what you need to do.) 
> > > 
> > > Denis 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ________________________________________ 
> > > Von: pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> im 
> > > Auftrag von Tom McLean <thomaspa...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> 
> > > Gesendet: Samstag, 8. Mai 2021 16:13:50 
> > > An: pandoc-discuss 
> > > Betreff: Re: Suppressing author in citation 
> > > 
> > > Regarding Bastien's suggestion on changing the Biber configuration, 
> > > can anyone tell me how to do that? I can't find anything useful on how 
> > > to do so. 
> > > 
> > > Denis – as far as I can see autocite* doesn't seem to be behaving in 
> > > the way described for cite* in the biblatex-chicago manual. 
> > > 
> > > On Saturday, 8 May 2021 at 13:13:39 UTC+2 denis...-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org 
> > > wrote: 
> > > Ok, IIUC this style implements the starred variants ins a somewhat 
> > > unusual way. See starting at p64 in the manual available at https:/ 
> > > /www.ctan.org/pkg/biblatex-chicago<http://www.ctan.org/pkg/biblatex- 
> > ch 
> > > icago> 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ________________________________________ 
> > > Von: pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> im 
> > > Auftrag von Bastien DUMONT <bastien...-VwIFZPTo/vqsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> 
> > > Gesendet: Samstag, 8. Mai 2021 12:39:18 
> > > An: pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org 
> > > Betreff: Re: Suppressing author in citation 
> > > 
> > > biblatex-chicago (via biber) 
> > > 
> > > Le Saturday 08 May 2021 à 10:34:28AM, denis...-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org a écrit 
> > > : 
> > > > What's the citation style? 
> > > > 
> > > > Denis 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ________________________________________ 
> > > > Von: pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> im 
> > > Auftrag von Bastien DUMONT <bastien...-VwIFZPTo/vqsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> 
> > > > Gesendet: Samstag, 8. Mai 2021 11:02:50 
> > > > An: pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org 
> > > > Betreff: Re: Suppressing author in citation 
> > > > 
> > > > With --biblatex, pandoc outputs [-@Smith] as \autocite*{Smith}. 
> > > From biblatex's manual 
> > > > p. 112, "The starred variants of \autocite do not behave 
> > > differently from the regular 
> > > > ones. The asterisk is simply passed on to the backend command." 
> > > So you should probably 
> > > > change biber's configuration in order to make \autocite* a 
> > > no-author command (but I 
> > > > can't tell you more. 
> > > > 
> > > > Le Friday 07 May 2021 à 01:53:43PM, Tom McLean a écrit : 
> > > > > Well at least that means it's not a really obvious mistake!! 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Attached are minimal versions of my md file, my bib file, and a 
> > > pdf that shows 
> > > > > what I'm getting. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Also attached are a shell file and tex file giving the rest of 
> > > what I'm using 
> > > > > in case it's not a pandoc error! 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thank you 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Friday, 7 May 2021 at 20:03:53 UTC+2 gnpan wrote: 
> > > > > 
> > > > > OK, but i cannot reproduce this: citations with -@ within a 
> > > footnote are 
> > > > > formatted correctly, i.e. only the year is shown. Maybe you 
> > > could provide a 
> > > > > minimum markdown file and a bib file that give you this 
> > > problem. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Friday, 7 May 2021 at 20:23:03 UTC+3 thomaspa...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org 
> > > wrote: 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Sorry if I'm not being clear – that is the citation in the 
> > > footnote! 
> > > > > The bibliography appears correctly (including author's name). 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Friday, 7 May 2021 at 19:06:34 UTC+2 gnpan wrote: 
> > > > > 
> > > > > The minus sign will remove the author name only from the 
> > > citation, 
> > > > > not the formatted bibliography. To do the latter, you will need 
> > > to 
> > > > > modify your csl file to omit the author names. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Thursday, 6 May 2021 at 23:22:45 UTC+3 thomaspa...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org 
> > > > > wrote: 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hi – newbie here, so there's a risk that this is a trivial 
> > > > > mistake, but I can't see for looking... 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'm working with citations are in footnotes, and am struggling to 
> > > > > suppress author in the reference. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > The ones I thought were easy are in markdown document as (for 
> > > > > example): 
> > > > > 
> > > > > [-@schillebeeckx1974; -@schillebeeckx1982; -@schillebeeckx1989c] 
> > > > > 
> > > > > which are appearing in a footnote in the PDF once compiled as: 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 3. Edward Schillebeeckx, Jezus: Het Verhaal van Een Levende 
> > > > > (Bloemendaal: Nelissen, 1974); Edward Schillebeeckx, Gerechtigheid 
> > > > > En Liefde: Genade En Bevrijding (Bloemendaal: 
> > > > > Nelissen, 1982); Edward Schillebeeckx, Mensen Als Verhaal van God 
> > > > > (Baarn: Nelissen, 1989). 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I thought that this should be with author's name removed...? 
> > > > > Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I have some more complex references too, which are showing the 
> > > > > same problem, but these occur within an extended footnote, which 
> > > > > I've created as a footnote in the .md file. If there's any tricks 
> > > > > anyone can share on how to fix those (if different), advice 
> > > > > welcomed! 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Many thanks 
> > > > > 
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> > > > > published in English as *The Eucharist*.[-@schillebeeckx1952; 
> > > -@schillebeeckx1964; -@schillebeeckx2014n; -@schillebeeckx1967a; 
> > > -@schillebeeckx2005] In this chapter I argue that Schillebeeckx’s work 
> > > is fundamentally a work of interpretation of the sacramental theology 
> > > of Thomas Aquinas. He is concerned to recast that thought from the 
> > > philosophical framework that Thomas adapts from Aristotle into a 
> > > framework shaped by phenomenology. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > @book{schillebeeckx1952, 
> > > > > title = {De {{Sacramentele Heilseconomie}}}, author = 
> > > > > {Schillebeeckx, Henricus}, year = {1952}, publisher = {{'T 
> > > > > Groeit}}, address = {{Antwerpen}} } 
> > > > > 
> > > > > @book{schillebeeckx1964, 
> > > > > title = {Christus Sacrament van de Godsontmoeting}, author = 
> > > > > {Schillebeeckx, Edward}, year = {1964}, edition = {7de dr.}, 
> > > > > publisher = {{Nelissen}}, address = {{Bilthoven}} } 
> > > > > 
> > > > > @book{schillebeeckx1967a, 
> > > > > title = {Christus' Tegenwoordigheid in de Eucharistie}, author = 
> > > > > {Schillebeeckx, Edward}, year = {1967}, publisher = {{Nelissen}}, 
> > > > > address = {{Bilthoven}} } 
> > > > > 
> > > > > @book{schillebeeckx2005, 
> > > > > title = {The {{Eucharist}}}, 
> > > > > author = {Schillebeeckx, Edward}, 
> > > > > year = {2005}, 
> > > > > edition = {First published 1967}, 
> > > > > publisher = {{Burns \& Oates}}, 
> > > > > address = {{London}}, 
> > > > > isbn = {978-0-86012-400-9}, 
> > > > > keywords = {Transubstantiation}, 
> > > > > lccn = {BX2220 .S3513 2005} 
> > > > > } 
> > > > > 
> > > > > @book{schillebeeckx2014n, 
> > > > > title = {Christ the Sacrament of the Encounter of {{God}}}, 
> > > > > shorttitle = {Christ the {{Sacrament}}}, author = {Schillebeeckx, 
> > > > > Edward}, year = {2014}, edition = {First published 1959}, 
> > > > > publisher = {{Bloomsbury}}, address = {{London}}, isbn = 
> > > > > {978-0-567-41723-7 978-1-4725-5834-3 978-1-4725-5833-6}, keywords 
> > > > > = {Catholic Church,Sacraments}, number = {1}, series = {The 
> > > > > Collected Works of {{Edward Schillebeeckx}}} } 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
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