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[129.206.119.212]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j23si122417wmh.3.2019.09.06.16.18.51 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 06 Sep 2019 16:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of maria.shinoto-7M2J4GrLiDedPOQpRHQ53DeJuz7u0hKX@public.gmane.org designates 129.206.119.212 as permitted sender) client-ip=129.206.119.212; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2DPAwCo3XJdffxkzoFlHQEBBQEHBQG?= =?us-ascii?q?BVQYBCwGDBANQMiqEGgePDIIPiWKPORSBEANUCQEBAQEBAQEBASAPCAEBhD8?= =?us-ascii?q?CgjcjNgcOAgMJAQEFAQEBAQEGBBQBARY6hTUMhUsBAgIBIyswCwsaAiYCAiE?= =?us-ascii?q?QBCIOBwQBGgIEgwEBgWoDDg4BD6lSgTKIFA1hgUMGgQwoAYVhhhaBWD+BOB+?= =?us-ascii?q?CTD6CGkcCAoEsARIBBxhNgj4ygiYEjFOJSZVcQQeBPGdkBIYViXWEGoI0izA?= =?us-ascii?q?FixKPNYZIggaLToURCyU4DSNxMxokLksBgkE+ghAXg0+KYjEzAQEOjhqCRQE?= =?us-ascii?q?B?= Original-Received: from mail01.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.252]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de with ESMTP; 07 Sep 2019 01:18:51 +0200 Original-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (dhcp23-153.ctb.ne.jp [211.19.246.153]) (Authenticated sender: ke239) by mail01.uni-heidelberg.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9354E300719FC for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2019 01:18:50 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-Original-Sender: maria.shinoto-7M2J4GrLiDedPOQpRHQ53DeJuz7u0hKX@public.gmane.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of maria.shinoto-7M2J4GrLiDedPOQpRHQ53DeJuz7u0hKX@public.gmane.org designates 129.206.119.212 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=maria.shinoto-7M2J4GrLiDedPOQpRHQ53DeJuz7u0hKX@public.gmane.org Precedence: list Mailing-list: list pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org; contact pandoc-discuss+owners-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1007024079513 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.text.pandoc:23396 Archived-At: I have the same problem with different writing systems, translations, and t= ransliterations in citations.=20 To me the problem turned out that there is not one solution that will work = with all journals etc. My conclusion was to store the literature privately = as I need it, then export the data into Bib(La)tex data (or CSL, which I di= d not use yet) that will create a standard bibliography as requested by the= journal.=20 E.g. do some journals request an English translation as title and the origi= nal text in brackets just behind the title. In that case, I export my priva= te fields "title-transl-en" + " [" + "title-orig-jap" + "]" into the title = field of a Bibtex database for just this article. In other cases, I would u= se just "title-transl-en" in the title field and a comment at the end of th= e citation "in Japanese", etc. -- So I am free with my own data, and I am i= n command of my export scripts (to CSL, Bibtex etc.), the exported text fil= e then works as if it was ordinary Western bibliography.=20 A bit different approach, until now it worked well for me.=20 Maria > Am 07.09.2019 um 04:49 schrieb BPJ : >=20 > Thanks everyone, especially Denis for the interesting information. Not wh= at I had hoped for but kind of what I had expected. Usability with Pandoc= =E2=86=92LaTeX is a must for me. I guess I could write my own code to locat= e references, look up the data, invoke something which produces a bibliogra= phy in HTML, then massage that HTML into something Pandoc will convert into= LaTeX appropriately. Sounds like a lot of work though =E2=80=94 although n= ot as much as implementing a whole citation processor! >=20 > Another question is whether pandoc-citeproc will ignore unknown fields or= throw an error? If the former I can have custom fields with the separate o= riginal and transliterated fields, as I need for my searching purposes and = automatically update the combined version in the official fields. If the la= tter I'll need to produce a special version for Pandoc's consumption with t= he custom fields removed, which complicates things considerably. >=20 > Den ons 4 sep. 2019 09:33BPJ skrev: > Does anyone know how to handle transliterated titles and names in=20 > citations, when you want to include both the transliteration and the=20 > original? Does CSL have any fields for that? >=20 > TIA, >=20 > /bpj >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "pandoc-discuss" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an= email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgi= d/pandoc-discuss/CADAJKhAd8iPOD%3D-gaZn_7-03t07HjSTq0SiH9Bq%3DHJ%3DymtSU1A%= 40mail.gmail.com. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pandoc-discuss" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= pandoc-discuss/A4E70922-943A-49D3-9D9A-F5AC38E025AA%40zaw.uni-heidelberg.de= .