Docx reader: how much to correct word's mistakes?

Docx reader: how much to correct word's mistakes?

[Jesse Rosenthal]

Dear All,

One problem that I've been encountering in writing the docx reader is
the fact that MS Word, for reasons known only to itself, will sometimes
decide to unformat spaces between formatted chunks of text. So even
though the text looks like:

    This is *italics and **bold italcs***.

word will for some reason produce something which will translate to

    This is *italics* *and **bold italics***.
or 

    This is *italics and* ***bold italics***.

Now, I know it does this even when you don't tell it to because I've
written a lot of one-sentence word docs as tests for the docx reader. 

My question, though, is whether folks would want the reader to *assume*
that this is always a mistake and fix it. In other words, are there ever
times that people would want unformatted spaces between formatted runs
of text?

It would be simple enough to have something like:

~~~
f ((Emph xs) : Space : (Emph ys) : zs) = f ((Emph (xs ++ [Space] ++ ys))
: zs)
~~~

(Not exactly how it would work, but close enough). 

So is this sort of error-correction something pandoc users would want?
Or is it too intrusive?

Best,
Jesse

Re: Docx reader: how much to correct word's mistakes?

[Matthew Pickering]

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I think what you describe is desired behavoir, if i'm not mistaken this is
how you have implemented it in the reader already?
On 22 Jun 2014 06:13, "Jesse Rosenthal" <jrosenthal-4GNroTWusrE@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> One problem that I've been encountering in writing the docx reader is
> the fact that MS Word, for reasons known only to itself, will sometimes
> decide to unformat spaces between formatted chunks of text. So even
> though the text looks like:
>
>     This is *italics and **bold italcs***.
>
> word will for some reason produce something which will translate to
>
>     This is *italics* *and **bold italics***.
> or
>
>     This is *italics and* ***bold italics***.
>
> Now, I know it does this even when you don't tell it to because I've
> written a lot of one-sentence word docs as tests for the docx reader.
>
> My question, though, is whether folks would want the reader to *assume*
> that this is always a mistake and fix it. In other words, are there ever
> times that people would want unformatted spaces between formatted runs
> of text?
>
> It would be simple enough to have something like:
>
> ~~~
> f ((Emph xs) : Space : (Emph ys) : zs) = f ((Emph (xs ++ [Space] ++ ys))
> : zs)
> ~~~
>
> (Not exactly how it would work, but close enough).
>
> So is this sort of error-correction something pandoc users would want?
> Or is it too intrusive?
>
> Best,
> Jesse
>
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Retracting my question [was: Docx reader: how much to correct word's mistakes?]

[Jesse Rosenthal]

Yes -- I was actually just about to write back to the list, and
apologize for the noise. I had been trying to fix another problem with
spaces (the fact that people will turn off their formatting after they
type their spaces, not before), and ended up creating another set of
problems. So I unfairly blamed MSWord for my own bug. On its way to
being fixed. Apologies, Redmond. And sorry to all of your inboxes as
well.

--Jesse

Matthew Pickering <matthewtpickering-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:

> I think what you describe is desired behavoir, if i'm not mistaken this is
> how you have implemented it in the reader already?
> On 22 Jun 2014 06:13, "Jesse Rosenthal" <jrosenthal-4GNroTWusrE@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> One problem that I've been encountering in writing the docx reader is
>> the fact that MS Word, for reasons known only to itself, will sometimes
>> decide to unformat spaces between formatted chunks of text. So even
>> though the text looks like:
>>
>>     This is *italics and **bold italcs***.
>>
>> word will for some reason produce something which will translate to
>>
>>     This is *italics* *and **bold italics***.
>> or
>>
>>     This is *italics and* ***bold italics***.
>>
>> Now, I know it does this even when you don't tell it to because I've
>> written a lot of one-sentence word docs as tests for the docx reader.
>>
>> My question, though, is whether folks would want the reader to *assume*
>> that this is always a mistake and fix it. In other words, are there ever
>> times that people would want unformatted spaces between formatted runs
>> of text?
>>
>> It would be simple enough to have something like:
>>
>> ~~~
>> f ((Emph xs) : Space : (Emph ys) : zs) = f ((Emph (xs ++ [Space] ++ ys))
>> : zs)
>> ~~~
>>
>> (Not exactly how it would work, but close enough).
>>
>> So is this sort of error-correction something pandoc users would want?
>> Or is it too intrusive?
>>
>> Best,
>> Jesse
>>
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Re: Docx reader: how much to correct word's mistakes?

[Ivan Lazar Miljenovic]

Just brainstorming here, but I can think of times that you might not
want it to do so when it would require formatting to go across several
lines, especially if there was a newline before "bold italics".  I
suppose this is the distinction of breaking and non-breaking spaces.

On 22 June 2014 15:41, Matthew Pickering <matthewtpickering-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> I think what you describe is desired behavoir, if i'm not mistaken this is
> how you have implemented it in the reader already?
>
> On 22 Jun 2014 06:13, "Jesse Rosenthal" <jrosenthal-4GNroTWusrE@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> One problem that I've been encountering in writing the docx reader is
>> the fact that MS Word, for reasons known only to itself, will sometimes
>> decide to unformat spaces between formatted chunks of text. So even
>> though the text looks like:
>>
>>     This is *italics and **bold italcs***.
>>
>> word will for some reason produce something which will translate to
>>
>>     This is *italics* *and **bold italics***.
>> or
>>
>>     This is *italics and* ***bold italics***.
>>
>> Now, I know it does this even when you don't tell it to because I've
>> written a lot of one-sentence word docs as tests for the docx reader.
>>
>> My question, though, is whether folks would want the reader to *assume*
>> that this is always a mistake and fix it. In other words, are there ever
>> times that people would want unformatted spaces between formatted runs
>> of text?
>>
>> It would be simple enough to have something like:
>>
>> ~~~
>> f ((Emph xs) : Space : (Emph ys) : zs) = f ((Emph (xs ++ [Space] ++ ys))
>> : zs)
>> ~~~
>>
>> (Not exactly how it would work, but close enough).
>>
>> So is this sort of error-correction something pandoc users would want?
>> Or is it too intrusive?
>>
>> Best,
>> Jesse
>>
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