Confused about citeproc vs pandoc-citeproc

Confused about citeproc vs pandoc-citeproc

[Ashim Kapoor]

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Dear All,

I am reading this : https://github.com/jgm/pandoc-citeproc

It says : 

*Note: This package is no longer maintained. Pandoc now uses the citeproc 
<https://github.com/jgm/citeproc> library, and no external filter is 
needed.*

<https://github.com/jgm/pandoc-citeproc/actions>

This package provides a library and executable to facilitate the use of 
citeproc with pandoc 1.12 and greater. (Earlier versions of pandoc have 
integrated citeproc support.)

What I do not understand is :

Should not the LATER versions of pandoc have integrated citeproc support ? 
How can the  NEW citeproc library be integrated into the EARLIER versions 
of pandoc? 

Please clarify.

Thank you,

Ashim


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AW: Confused about citeproc vs pandoc-citeproc

[denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0]

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IIUC, this means:

1. versions before 1.12 had integrated citeproc support (don’t know how exaclty).
2. versions beginning with 1.12 rely on an external library.
2a) first that was pandoc-citeproc
2b) now citeproc is used...

John will know the details, but that is how I’d understand this.

Best,
Denis

Von: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> Im Auftrag von Ashim Kapoor
Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Juli 2021 09:08
An: pandoc-discuss <pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
Betreff: Confused about citeproc vs pandoc-citeproc

Dear All,

I am reading this : https://github.com/jgm/pandoc-citeproc

It says :

Note: This package is no longer maintained. Pandoc now uses the citeproc<https://github.com/jgm/citeproc> library, and no external filter is needed.

This package provides a library and executable to facilitate the use of citeproc with pandoc 1.12 and greater. (Earlier versions of pandoc have integrated citeproc support.)

What I do not understand is :

Should not the LATER versions of pandoc have integrated citeproc support ? How can the  NEW citeproc library be integrated into the EARLIER versions of pandoc?

Please clarify.

Thank you,

Ashim


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Re: Confused about citeproc vs pandoc-citeproc

[Ashim Kapoor]

Dear Denis,

So if I get it right,

1. Versions before 1.12 did not have an external library. The citeproc
code was a part of pandoc.
2. Then this code was factored out in pandoc-citeproc.
3. Then citeproc was born out of (2).

Is that correct?

Many thanks,
Ashim

On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 12:53 PM <denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
> IIUC, this means:
>
>
>
> 1. versions before 1.12 had integrated citeproc support (don’t know how exaclty).
>
> 2. versions beginning with 1.12 rely on an external library.
>
> 2a) first that was pandoc-citeproc
>
> 2b) now citeproc is used...
>
>
>
> John will know the details, but that is how I’d understand this.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Denis
>
>
>
> Von: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> Im Auftrag von Ashim Kapoor
> Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Juli 2021 09:08
> An: pandoc-discuss <pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
> Betreff: Confused about citeproc vs pandoc-citeproc
>
>
>
> Dear All,
>
>
>
> I am reading this : https://github.com/jgm/pandoc-citeproc
>
>
>
> It says :
>
>
>
> Note: This package is no longer maintained. Pandoc now uses the citeproc library, and no external filter is needed.
>
> This package provides a library and executable to facilitate the use of citeproc with pandoc 1.12 and greater. (Earlier versions of pandoc have integrated citeproc support.)
>
> What I do not understand is :
>
> Should not the LATER versions of pandoc have integrated citeproc support ? How can the  NEW citeproc library be integrated into the EARLIER versions of pandoc?
>
> Please clarify.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Ashim
>
>
>
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AW: Confused about citeproc vs pandoc-citeproc

[denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0]

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
> Im Auftrag von Ashim Kapoor
> Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Juli 2021 10:00
> An: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
> Betreff: Re: Confused about citeproc vs pandoc-citeproc
> 
> Dear Denis,
> 
> So if I get it right,
> 
> 1. Versions before 1.12 did not have an external library. The citeproc code was
> a part of pandoc.
Yes.

> 2. Then this code was factored out in pandoc-citeproc.
Yes.

> 3. Then citeproc was born out of (2).
No. The new citeproc is a complete rewrite from scratch and does not depend on pandoc-citeproc.

But again, I may misunderstand something. Let's wait for John to clarify that.

Denis
> 
> Is that correct?
> 
> Many thanks,
> Ashim
> 
> On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 12:53 PM <denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> >
> > IIUC, this means:
> >
> >
> >
> > 1. versions before 1.12 had integrated citeproc support (don’t know how
> exaclty).
> >
> > 2. versions beginning with 1.12 rely on an external library.
> >
> > 2a) first that was pandoc-citeproc
> >
> > 2b) now citeproc is used...
> >
> >
> >
> > John will know the details, but that is how I’d understand this.
> >
> >
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Denis
> >
> >
> >
> > Von: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc-
> discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
> > Im Auftrag von Ashim Kapoor
> > Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Juli 2021 09:08
> > An: pandoc-discuss <pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
> > Betreff: Confused about citeproc vs pandoc-citeproc
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> >
> >
> > I am reading this : https://github.com/jgm/pandoc-citeproc
> >
> >
> >
> > It says :
> >
> >
> >
> > Note: This package is no longer maintained. Pandoc now uses the citeproc
> library, and no external filter is needed.
> >
> > This package provides a library and executable to facilitate the use
> > of citeproc with pandoc 1.12 and greater. (Earlier versions of pandoc
> > have integrated citeproc support.)
> >
> > What I do not understand is :
> >
> > Should not the LATER versions of pandoc have integrated citeproc support ?
> How can the  NEW citeproc library be integrated into the EARLIER versions of
> pandoc?
> >
> > Please clarify.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Ashim
> >
> >
> >
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Re: AW: Confused about citeproc vs pandoc-citeproc

[John MacFarlane]

Correct.

<denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org> writes:

>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
>> Im Auftrag von Ashim Kapoor
>> Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Juli 2021 10:00
>> An: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
>> Betreff: Re: Confused about citeproc vs pandoc-citeproc
>> 
>> Dear Denis,
>> 
>> So if I get it right,
>> 
>> 1. Versions before 1.12 did not have an external library. The citeproc code was
>> a part of pandoc.
> Yes.
>
>> 2. Then this code was factored out in pandoc-citeproc.
> Yes.
>
>> 3. Then citeproc was born out of (2).
> No. The new citeproc is a complete rewrite from scratch and does not depend on pandoc-citeproc.
>
> But again, I may misunderstand something. Let's wait for John to clarify that.
>
> Denis
>> 
>> Is that correct?
>> 
>> Many thanks,
>> Ashim
>> 
>> On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 12:53 PM <denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > IIUC, this means:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 1. versions before 1.12 had integrated citeproc support (don’t know how
>> exaclty).
>> >
>> > 2. versions beginning with 1.12 rely on an external library.
>> >
>> > 2a) first that was pandoc-citeproc
>> >
>> > 2b) now citeproc is used...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > John will know the details, but that is how I’d understand this.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > Denis
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Von: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc-
>> discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
>> > Im Auftrag von Ashim Kapoor
>> > Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Juli 2021 09:08
>> > An: pandoc-discuss <pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
>> > Betreff: Confused about citeproc vs pandoc-citeproc
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear All,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I am reading this : https://github.com/jgm/pandoc-citeproc
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > It says :
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Note: This package is no longer maintained. Pandoc now uses the citeproc
>> library, and no external filter is needed.
>> >
>> > This package provides a library and executable to facilitate the use
>> > of citeproc with pandoc 1.12 and greater. (Earlier versions of pandoc
>> > have integrated citeproc support.)
>> >
>> > What I do not understand is :
>> >
>> > Should not the LATER versions of pandoc have integrated citeproc support ?
>> How can the  NEW citeproc library be integrated into the EARLIER versions of
>> pandoc?
>> >
>> > Please clarify.
>> >
>> > Thank you,
>> >
>> > Ashim
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: AW: Confused about citeproc vs pandoc-citeproc

[Ashim Kapoor]

Dear John and Denis,

I have a small query.

The following 2 incantations are generating the SAME demo.html:-

pandoc -F pandoc-crossref  demo.md -o demo.html
--bibliography=sample-bibliography.bib
pandoc -F pandoc-crossref  -F pandoc-citeproc demo.md -o demo.html
--bibliography=sample-bibliography.bib

My pandoc version is:

$ pandoc -v
pandoc 2.2.1
Compiled with pandoc-types 1.17.5.1, texmath 0.11.1, skylighting 0.7.5
Default user data directory: /home/ashim/.pandoc
Copyright (C) 2006-2018 John MacFarlane
Web:  http://pandoc.org
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.
There is no warranty, not even for merchantability or fitness
for a particular purpose.

My query is : Isn't it essential to use the pandoc-citeproc filter ?

In which version of pandoc is pandoc-citeproc vs citeproc used?

My sample-bibliography.bib contains this :-

@article{unprocessedCitation,
  title =        {Testing Pandoc},
  author =       {Kapoor,Ashim},
  journal =      {My Quarterly Journal},
  pages =        {1--110},
  year =         {2001},
  publisher =    {JSTOR}
}

I got demo.md from here :
wget https://raw.githubusercontent.com/lierdakil/pandoc-crossref/master/docs/demo/demo.md

Thank you,
Ashim

On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 10:45 PM John MacFarlane <jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
> Correct.
>
> <denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org> writes:
>
> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> >> Von: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
> >> Im Auftrag von Ashim Kapoor
> >> Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Juli 2021 10:00
> >> An: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
> >> Betreff: Re: Confused about citeproc vs pandoc-citeproc
> >>
> >> Dear Denis,
> >>
> >> So if I get it right,
> >>
> >> 1. Versions before 1.12 did not have an external library. The citeproc code was
> >> a part of pandoc.
> > Yes.
> >
> >> 2. Then this code was factored out in pandoc-citeproc.
> > Yes.
> >
> >> 3. Then citeproc was born out of (2).
> > No. The new citeproc is a complete rewrite from scratch and does not depend on pandoc-citeproc.
> >
> > But again, I may misunderstand something. Let's wait for John to clarify that.
> >
> > Denis
> >>
> >> Is that correct?
> >>
> >> Many thanks,
> >> Ashim
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 12:53 PM <denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > IIUC, this means:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 1. versions before 1.12 had integrated citeproc support (don’t know how
> >> exaclty).
> >> >
> >> > 2. versions beginning with 1.12 rely on an external library.
> >> >
> >> > 2a) first that was pandoc-citeproc
> >> >
> >> > 2b) now citeproc is used...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > John will know the details, but that is how I’d understand this.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Best,
> >> >
> >> > Denis
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Von: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc-
> >> discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
> >> > Im Auftrag von Ashim Kapoor
> >> > Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Juli 2021 09:08
> >> > An: pandoc-discuss <pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
> >> > Betreff: Confused about citeproc vs pandoc-citeproc
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Dear All,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I am reading this : https://github.com/jgm/pandoc-citeproc
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > It says :
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Note: This package is no longer maintained. Pandoc now uses the citeproc
> >> library, and no external filter is needed.
> >> >
> >> > This package provides a library and executable to facilitate the use
> >> > of citeproc with pandoc 1.12 and greater. (Earlier versions of pandoc
> >> > have integrated citeproc support.)
> >> >
> >> > What I do not understand is :
> >> >
> >> > Should not the LATER versions of pandoc have integrated citeproc support ?
> >> How can the  NEW citeproc library be integrated into the EARLIER versions of
> >> pandoc?
> >> >
> >> > Please clarify.
> >> >
> >> > Thank you,
> >> >
> >> > Ashim
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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AW: AW: Confused about citeproc vs pandoc-citeproc

[denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0]

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Ashim Kapoor <ashimkapoor-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. Juli 2021 08:46
> An: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
> Cc: Maier, Denis Christian (UB) <denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org>
> Betreff: Re: AW: Confused about citeproc vs pandoc-citeproc
> 
> Dear John and Denis,
> 
> I have a small query.
> 
> The following 2 incantations are generating the SAME demo.html:-
> 
> pandoc -F pandoc-crossref  demo.md -o demo.html --bibliography=sample-
> bibliography.bib
> pandoc -F pandoc-crossref  -F pandoc-citeproc demo.md -o demo.html --
> bibliography=sample-bibliography.bib
> 
> My pandoc version is:
> 
> $ pandoc -v
> pandoc 2.2.1
> Compiled with pandoc-types 1.17.5.1, texmath 0.11.1, skylighting 0.7.5 Default
> user data directory: /home/ashim/.pandoc Copyright (C) 2006-2018 John
> MacFarlane
> Web:  http://pandoc.org
> This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.
> There is no warranty, not even for merchantability or fitness for a particular
> purpose.
> 
> My query is : Isn't it essential to use the pandoc-citeproc filter ?

I think `--bibliography=sample-bibliography.bib` implicitely calls pandoc-citeproc so the two commands are equivalent.

> 
> In which version of pandoc is pandoc-citeproc vs citeproc used?
If my understanding of the changelog is correct, the new citeproc has been included in 2.11
https://pandoc.org/releases.html

> 
> My sample-bibliography.bib contains this :-
> 
> @article{unprocessedCitation,
>   title =        {Testing Pandoc},
>   author =       {Kapoor,Ashim},
>   journal =      {My Quarterly Journal},
>   pages =        {1--110},
>   year =         {2001},
>   publisher =    {JSTOR}
> }
> 
> I got demo.md from here :
> wget https://raw.githubusercontent.com/lierdakil/pandoc-
> crossref/master/docs/demo/demo.md
> 
> Thank you,
> Ashim
> 
> On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 10:45 PM John MacFarlane <jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> >
> > Correct.
> >
> > <denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org> writes:
> >
> > >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > >> Von: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
> > >> <pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> Im Auftrag von Ashim Kapoor
> > >> Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Juli 2021 10:00
> > >> An: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
> > >> Betreff: Re: Confused about citeproc vs pandoc-citeproc
> > >>
> > >> Dear Denis,
> > >>
> > >> So if I get it right,
> > >>
> > >> 1. Versions before 1.12 did not have an external library. The
> > >> citeproc code was a part of pandoc.
> > > Yes.
> > >
> > >> 2. Then this code was factored out in pandoc-citeproc.
> > > Yes.
> > >
> > >> 3. Then citeproc was born out of (2).
> > > No. The new citeproc is a complete rewrite from scratch and does not
> depend on pandoc-citeproc.
> > >
> > > But again, I may misunderstand something. Let's wait for John to clarify
> that.
> > >
> > > Denis
> > >>
> > >> Is that correct?
> > >>
> > >> Many thanks,
> > >> Ashim
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 12:53 PM <denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > IIUC, this means:
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > 1. versions before 1.12 had integrated citeproc support (don’t
> > >> > know how
> > >> exaclty).
> > >> >
> > >> > 2. versions beginning with 1.12 rely on an external library.
> > >> >
> > >> > 2a) first that was pandoc-citeproc
> > >> >
> > >> > 2b) now citeproc is used...
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > John will know the details, but that is how I’d understand this.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Best,
> > >> >
> > >> > Denis
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Von: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc-
> > >> discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
> > >> > Im Auftrag von Ashim Kapoor
> > >> > Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Juli 2021 09:08
> > >> > An: pandoc-discuss <pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
> > >> > Betreff: Confused about citeproc vs pandoc-citeproc
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Dear All,
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > I am reading this : https://github.com/jgm/pandoc-citeproc
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > It says :
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Note: This package is no longer maintained. Pandoc now uses the
> > >> > citeproc
> > >> library, and no external filter is needed.
> > >> >
> > >> > This package provides a library and executable to facilitate the
> > >> > use of citeproc with pandoc 1.12 and greater. (Earlier versions
> > >> > of pandoc have integrated citeproc support.)
> > >> >
> > >> > What I do not understand is :
> > >> >
> > >> > Should not the LATER versions of pandoc have integrated citeproc
> support ?
> > >> How can the  NEW citeproc library be integrated into the EARLIER
> > >> versions of pandoc?
> > >> >
> > >> > Please clarify.
> > >> >
> > >> > Thank you,
> > >> >
> > >> > Ashim
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
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Re: AW: Confused about citeproc vs pandoc-citeproc

[Ashim Kapoor]

Dear Denis,

Many thanks and Best Regards,
Ashim

On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 6:07 PM <denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Ashim Kapoor <ashimkapoor-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. Juli 2021 08:46
> > An: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
> > Cc: Maier, Denis Christian (UB) <denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org>
> > Betreff: Re: AW: Confused about citeproc vs pandoc-citeproc
> >
> > Dear John and Denis,
> >
> > I have a small query.
> >
> > The following 2 incantations are generating the SAME demo.html:-
> >
> > pandoc -F pandoc-crossref  demo.md -o demo.html --bibliography=sample-
> > bibliography.bib
> > pandoc -F pandoc-crossref  -F pandoc-citeproc demo.md -o demo.html --
> > bibliography=sample-bibliography.bib
> >
> > My pandoc version is:
> >
> > $ pandoc -v
> > pandoc 2.2.1
> > Compiled with pandoc-types 1.17.5.1, texmath 0.11.1, skylighting 0.7.5 Default
> > user data directory: /home/ashim/.pandoc Copyright (C) 2006-2018 John
> > MacFarlane
> > Web:  http://pandoc.org
> > This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.
> > There is no warranty, not even for merchantability or fitness for a particular
> > purpose.
> >
> > My query is : Isn't it essential to use the pandoc-citeproc filter ?
>
> I think `--bibliography=sample-bibliography.bib` implicitely calls pandoc-citeproc so the two commands are equivalent.
>
> >
> > In which version of pandoc is pandoc-citeproc vs citeproc used?
> If my understanding of the changelog is correct, the new citeproc has been included in 2.11
> https://pandoc.org/releases.html
>
> >
> > My sample-bibliography.bib contains this :-
> >
> > @article{unprocessedCitation,
> >   title =        {Testing Pandoc},
> >   author =       {Kapoor,Ashim},
> >   journal =      {My Quarterly Journal},
> >   pages =        {1--110},
> >   year =         {2001},
> >   publisher =    {JSTOR}
> > }
> >
> > I got demo.md from here :
> > wget https://raw.githubusercontent.com/lierdakil/pandoc-
> > crossref/master/docs/demo/demo.md
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Ashim
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 10:45 PM John MacFarlane <jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Correct.
> > >
> > > <denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org> writes:
> > >
> > > >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > > >> Von: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
> > > >> <pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> Im Auftrag von Ashim Kapoor
> > > >> Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Juli 2021 10:00
> > > >> An: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
> > > >> Betreff: Re: Confused about citeproc vs pandoc-citeproc
> > > >>
> > > >> Dear Denis,
> > > >>
> > > >> So if I get it right,
> > > >>
> > > >> 1. Versions before 1.12 did not have an external library. The
> > > >> citeproc code was a part of pandoc.
> > > > Yes.
> > > >
> > > >> 2. Then this code was factored out in pandoc-citeproc.
> > > > Yes.
> > > >
> > > >> 3. Then citeproc was born out of (2).
> > > > No. The new citeproc is a complete rewrite from scratch and does not
> > depend on pandoc-citeproc.
> > > >
> > > > But again, I may misunderstand something. Let's wait for John to clarify
> > that.
> > > >
> > > > Denis
> > > >>
> > > >> Is that correct?
> > > >>
> > > >> Many thanks,
> > > >> Ashim
> > > >>
> > > >> On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 12:53 PM <denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > IIUC, this means:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > 1. versions before 1.12 had integrated citeproc support (don’t
> > > >> > know how
> > > >> exaclty).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > 2. versions beginning with 1.12 rely on an external library.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > 2a) first that was pandoc-citeproc
> > > >> >
> > > >> > 2b) now citeproc is used...
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > John will know the details, but that is how I’d understand this.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Best,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Denis
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Von: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc-
> > > >> discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
> > > >> > Im Auftrag von Ashim Kapoor
> > > >> > Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Juli 2021 09:08
> > > >> > An: pandoc-discuss <pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
> > > >> > Betreff: Confused about citeproc vs pandoc-citeproc
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Dear All,
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I am reading this : https://github.com/jgm/pandoc-citeproc
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > It says :
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Note: This package is no longer maintained. Pandoc now uses the
> > > >> > citeproc
> > > >> library, and no external filter is needed.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > This package provides a library and executable to facilitate the
> > > >> > use of citeproc with pandoc 1.12 and greater. (Earlier versions
> > > >> > of pandoc have integrated citeproc support.)
> > > >> >
> > > >> > What I do not understand is :
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Should not the LATER versions of pandoc have integrated citeproc
> > support ?
> > > >> How can the  NEW citeproc library be integrated into the EARLIER
> > > >> versions of pandoc?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Please clarify.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Thank you,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Ashim
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
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